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BlueDesignStudios 10-09-2003 10:24 PM
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sexeducation 10-09-2003 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove
For the record, the numbers in my initial post were from Acacia's Content Provider License. A similar scenario for a webmaster goes like this... If you estimate that your annual earnings will be no more than $50,001-100,000 you'll pay a $3,000 annual royalty (ie 3-6% of your gross) IN ADVANCE. But if it turns out that your actual earnings for the year are $100,001 (ie just $1 over your estimate), Acacia will demand an additional $6,750, thus you'll be paying Acacia a total of $9,750 or 9.75% of your gross income! And Acacia says that they will be increasing their royalties from 1 December!

Here's a link to the full contract:

http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/pr...eAgreement.pdf
Still an awesome post.
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Groove 10-09-2003 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by sexeducation


Still an awesome post.
Fiddy diddy one ...
And you are still a mentally-retarded pedophile :321GFY

Mr.Fiction 10-09-2003 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove
For the record, the numbers in my initial post were from Acacia's Content Provider License. A similar scenario for a webmaster goes like this... If you estimate that your annual earnings will be no more than $50,001-100,000 you'll pay a $3,000 annual royalty (ie 3-6% of your gross) IN ADVANCE. But if it turns out that your actual earnings for the year are $100,001 (ie just $1 over your estimate), Acacia will demand an additional $6,750, thus you'll be paying Acacia a total of $9,750 or 9.75% of your gross income! And Acacia says that they will be increasing their royalties from 1 December!

Here's a link to the full contract:

http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/pr...eAgreement.pdf
Even if the patent were upheld, no one with a lawyer will pay that.

Talk to a lawyer, he will laugh at most of what Acacia says, not just their patent.

sexeducation 10-09-2003 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Groove


And you are still a mentally-retarded pedophile :321GFY
Have you submitted your monthly sales report to Acacia yet?

Groove 10-09-2003 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Even if the patent were upheld, no one with a lawyer will pay that.

Talk to a lawyer, he will laugh at most of what Acacia says, not just their patent.
Of course the lawyers are laughing! They'll be laughing all the way to the bank on the fees that they get from defending webmasters who are unable to strike a deal with Acacia!

Acacia is entitled to charge anything they like until a court tells them otherwise. How many webmasters can offord to argue their case in court? And what makes you think an amount mandated by a court will be an acceptable fee? And what about all the other patent leeches lining-up for a slice of your revenue?

sexeducation 10-09-2003 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove


Of course the lawyers are laughing! They'll be laughing all the way to the bank on the fees that they get from defending webmasters who are unable to strike a deal with Acacia!

Acacia is entitled to charge anything they like until a court tells them otherwise. How many webmasters can offord to argue their case in court? And what makes you think an amount mandated by a court will be an acceptable fee? And what about all the other patent leeches lining-up for a slice of your revenue?
; )

Mr.Fiction 10-09-2003 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove


Acacia is entitled to charge anything they like until a court tells them otherwise. How many webmasters can offord to argue their case in court? And what makes you think an amount mandated by a court will be an acceptable fee? And what about all the other patent leeches lining-up for a slice of your revenue?
They can't charge you anything. They can ask you for 250% of your gross income. Only a judge can make you pay.

If you can't afford to pay for a lawyer, then you should not be in the adult industry. Acacia is the least of your problems if you can't afford a lawyer. Acacia can't put you in jail. The Justice department can.

If your lawyer thinks that Acacia is going to get 10% of anyone's gross, you need to get a new lawyer.

sexeducation 10-09-2003 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


They can't charge you anything. They can ask you for 250% of your gross income. Only a judge can make you pay.

If you can't afford to pay for a lawyer, then you should not be in the adult industry. Acacia is the least of your problems if you can't afford a lawyer. Acacia can't put you in jail. The Justice department can.

If your lawyer thinks that Acacia is going to get 10% of anyone's gross, you need to get a new lawyer.
You need to support FTP or Impai ...
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Mr.Fiction 10-09-2003 11:58 PM
According to the Marketguide database, of the 37 publicly held print media companies of any consequence (market cap > $100 million), the weighted average profit margin is 5%, the max is 18%.

http://andrew_redux.blogs.com/redux/...lloi_bigo.html

Do you think that Acacia is going to get more from any company than the average profit margin of all major print media?

sexeducation 10-10-2003 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
According to the Marketguide database, of the 37 publicly held print media companies of any consequence (market cap > $100 million), the weighted average profit margin is 5%, the max is 18%.

http://andrew_redux.blogs.com/redux/...lloi_bigo.html

Do you think that Acacia is going to get more from any company than the average profit margin of all major print media?
I think the whole thing smells bad - "Enron"bad.
Just fucking math.

A fucking stock scam ...IMO

Groove 10-10-2003 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
They can't charge you anything. They can ask you for 250% of your gross income. Only a judge can make you pay.

If you can't afford to pay for a lawyer, then you should not be in the adult industry. Acacia is the least of your problems if you can't afford a lawyer. Acacia can't put you in jail. The Justice department can.
So precisely how much is your lawyer estimating that he/she will charge you when Acacia takes you to court? Have you been advised that you may also have to pay Acacia's court costs?

And what makes you think that a court mandated settlement is going to be acceptable to you? And what's your bottom-line going to look like when you've been through the same process with all the other patent holders waiting in the wings?

Quote:

If your lawyer thinks that Acacia is going to get 10% of anyone's gross, you need to get a new lawyer.
I never suggested that Acacia was going to receive any specific amount. I merely suggested that the amounts that they are demanding are insane. Do you disagree?

sexeducation 10-10-2003 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove


I never suggested that Acacia was going to receive any specific amount. I merely suggested that the amounts that they are demanding are insane. Do you disagree?
YES ...
Have you submitted your monthly sales report to Acacia yet?

Mr.Fiction 10-10-2003 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove


I never suggested that Acacia was going to receive any specific amount. I merely suggested that the amounts that they are demanding are insane. Do you disagree?
I agree that they are insane. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../xyxthumbs.gif

No matter how much a law firm charges you, it won't be more than 10% of your gross for the rest of your life. Given a choice, would you rather go broke paying your lawyers or go broke paying Acacia?

sexeducation 10-10-2003 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


I agree that they are insane. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../xyxthumbs.gif

No matter how much a law firm charges you, it won't be more than 10% of your gross for the rest of your life. Given a choice, would you rather go broke paying your lawyers or go broke paying Acacia?
"Acacia" marketing ...
this community is stronger then that ...
you guys can kill this....
be united for once ....

Groove 10-10-2003 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
No matter how much a law firm charges you, it won't be more than 10% of your gross for the rest of your life. Given a choice, would you rather go broke paying your lawyers or go broke paying Acacia?
In my case I have decided to either (in order of preference):

1) put my business outside of Acacia's patent jurisdiction
2) negotiate an acceptable out of court settlement
3) remove videos from my business model.

I would only go to court as a last resort :2 cents:

sexeducation 10-10-2003 12:29 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Groove


In my case I have decided to either (in order of preference):

1) put my business outside of Acacia's patent jurisdiction
2) negotiate an acceptable out of court settlement
3) remove videos from my business model.

I would only go to court as a last resort :2 cents:
1) I will not move my domains outside of US jurisdiction.
2) I will not report to Acacia.
3) I will not fix my website until this issue is settled.

Groove 10-10-2003 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by sexeducation


1) I will not move my domains outside of US jurisdiction.
2) I will not report to Acacia.
3) I will not fix my website until this issue is settled.
Why are you still here?

FightThisPatent 10-10-2003 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Given a choice, would you rather go broke paying your lawyers or go broke paying Acacia?

let's not single out Acacia, there are plenty of other patent infringement cases that are out there and coming in the future that webmasters can go broke over.

Help support the current patent abuse cases and future patent abuse cases that will affect your business by pledging support to Fight The Patent Foundation.

http://www.FightThePatent.com/go



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