I must admit that after seeing the post/reply from Prostock, I just about fell off my chair in laughter.
When a company markets its services, as to provide an assigned designer exclusively to purchasing client. Whereas the reasonable expectation is the (ADULT OUTSOURCING) company will make the assigned designer available during the agreed times.

When the company providing the above stated services fails to notify purchasing client of any direct or indirect interruption of services, is not only inexcusable, but highly unethical as well.

Here in America, there is no excuse that is acceptable as to the way AOS conducts business. Am I reasonable? YES. Am I open minded? YES.

As to prostock, this is a free country and the last time I checked, free speech was welcomed. You principals and/or business ethics may think it is acceptable for a company to create an adverse situation which effects a customer. I am sorry, I can't agree and didn't attend that school.

Do you run your company in such a negligent way?

First lets not talk on HOW FREE THE USA is for you are losing more and more of the so called rights every day we all know this and to let you know i am from there .
I do not agree of how they didnt fully let you know what was going on there with you , for we would never do that , and at worse me or my partner would have been there to get the rest of the jobs done for you , and i would have made sure no lose work would haev happen . Again I am sure you do not know all that went on there and it is sad they had a problem , but jsut for it is here please do not tell me companys in the USA do not have probs ether

and for you to make this statment on ether end is not fair ! Do you run your company in such a negligent way!?


I will make this statment , and this is just from what i know , the reason the guys got fired and had a problem was from webmasters tring to PRIVIT there employes and the workers took it . and sorry to say we all know this , it can happen any where NO MATTER what country a company is in .
and not only this they was tring to make there own company inside within there , so you think they are so bad to fire the bad apples i think not , maybe think a bit more on it ! :2 cents:

Maybe the best solution would be for task specific and time limited projects for outfits that have experience doing the specific task. Sounds like Adult Outsourcing tried to do too much in one package...while paying their employees (educated and experienced) only twice the minimum wage of the Philippines (based on DOLE stats at Google).

The problem with this, as WendyB's posts can attest to, is that the client ends up "educating" the assigned employee and there is no incentive for the employee to stick around.

Maybe the best way is to just pay per bundled task
ie., submissions, templates, paysite designs, etc.

The pay maybe cheap but there are ALWAYS costs involved. Im not saying don't pay cheap, just cover your ass by going to a cheap but quality specialist.

my :2 cents:

One of the big problems here is that the people running the company and the employees working there seem to think the people using their services are rich and can afford to be ripped off. Alot of the clients are 1 man operations, small webmasters trying to keep their head above water. They are people that are supporting their family and cannot afford to be ripped off.

I keep reading all this and increasingly getting pissed. The job of any outsource company is to manage those employees and manage them properly. They are in a supervised environment and should be being supervised.

For everyone thinking of oursourcing be very very careful. For any of you who are being approached by these independent self employed phillipinos that want offer their services, I would recommend that you stay away. There are several of designers that have surfaced that are employed by other companies or have been fired from other companies. They are working for multiple clients and lying to the clients about the amount of time it takes to complete a project. There is an incredible amount of greed going on here. These people are asking for twice what they were making from other oursource companies and then are collected from four or five different people. Then once they are working for you they appear to be slow because they can't possibly do all the work. I won't post the names but if you have been approached by someone and would like to verify the name with me contact me on icq 161212855. Its very easy to verify who they are. There are also several companies that have surfaced that are offering outsource services. These are the employees that were fired! And they are doing exactly what they were fired for. They will take you on as a client and one webmaster/designer will be doing work for multiple clients or working for another outsource company.

Excellent points. Moral of the story: focus on task specific services instead of trying to score your own personal Filipino/Indian/Thai OOMPA LOOMPA

Well I am sure there are probably people who have sucessfully outsourced to individuals in there countries. But I want everyone to be forewarned of this group of phillipinos that are ripping people off.


Lorna

prostock,

Why are you defending a competitor, Adult Outsourcing?

OOMPA LOOMPA
:1orglaugh

Prostock,

Isn't the owner of AOS named JOHN not james?

Right on, somebody else saw "Charlie and Chocolate Factory" -- Willy Wonka rulez!!!

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FUNNY HOW I WOULD SPEAK UP FOR ANOTHER COMPANY !!
but here is why , i find this real funny ! HOW
lamrobertson


are the main reason alot of the probs are here and strarted , PLEASE DONTA HAVE ME START posting the ICQ trust me i know more on all this that is going on then you will ever know , YOU KNEW FOR FACT the worker worked there , and you DROPED AOS and went behind there BACK to HIRE MALVIN !! TO WORK FOR YOU and MIKE and i do belive NAP ,,, again trust me i know so much , you came to the worng broad to trash a company , when you are the oen that fucked them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as you told me ON ICQ why PAY THEM THAT PRICE for one when i can get more for less ,
you then wanted to CRY TO ME over the BOYS YOU PRIVITED from them are now fucking you , !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how is it AOS did you WRONG THE BOYS that you paid BEHIND there back fucked you not them , and you want to talk shit on them THAT IS MORE THEN LOW CLASSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any one that wants lots of ICQ logs on this matter FROM THIS GFYER TROUBLE MAKER thread lier , ICQ ME i wil give away !!!!!!!!!!!




:BangBang: :BangBang: :321GFY :BangBang:

Well lets see , a few reason , one i know all the story going on here and i DO NOT LIKE TO SEE BULL SHIT GAMES as
lamrobertson
wants to post or say ! , if you are going to try and drag people threw the mud please make sure you get the right mud hole ,.
Even tho AOS is my COMPETITOR . I still know them and I and i know the ower and sorry i am not here to TRASH people or talk shit on them ! this is WHY ! :thumbsup

HUMMMMMMMMM another MISS INFORMED person
SORRY WRONG AGAIN JAMES IS THE WINNER !:thumbsup

loverboy !!!



What i do want to ask you is why are you not admitting here to PEOPLE as well you work there AOS and i do belive you are a NITE Sale rep kind of and BOARD chaser !!!!
Why you are to worry to HIDE and not tell the board who you are , NOT WORRY i will tell them all for you ALBERT !!!!!!!!

I thought his last name was bermudez? Is he filipino? or American last name? Sorry, just following the convo from differing ICQs from interested parties.

the last name i am not to sure on , tho i am just about 95% sure the owner there doesnt post , he has his workers ,
and as long as i been here i never meet or had a person work for me with any thing near a last name like that so not sure if that is a flip last name or not ,

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first of all, FYI john bermudez does not own AOS so dont get him involved in all this bullshit. and oh btw what ever fucking shit things you say, AOS still rocks and i do like to refer them to do things for you guys looking for professional help, especially to you Groove. bottom line the impt thing is the job gets done and done good and nobdy does that but AOS.

:thumbsup :winkwink:

This has turned into a lively little thread.

Almost worthy of beer and popcorn :glugglug

[QUOTE]Originally posted by prostock
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FUNNY HOW I WOULD SPEAK UP FOR ANOTHER COMPANY !!
but here is why , i find this real funny ! HOW
lamrobertson


are the main reason alot of the probs are here and strarted , PLEASE DONTA HAVE ME START posting the ICQ trust me i know more on all this that is going on then you will ever know , YOU KNEW FOR FACT the worker worked there , and you DROPED AOS and went behind there BACK to HIRE MALVIN !! TO WORK FOR YOU and MIKE and i do belive NAP ,,, again trust me i know so much , you came to the worng broad to trash a company , when you are the oen that fucked them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as you told me ON ICQ why PAY THEM THAT PRICE for one when i can get more for less ,
you then wanted to CRY TO ME over the BOYS YOU PRIVITED from them are now fucking you , !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how is it AOS did you WRONG THE BOYS that you paid BEHIND there back fucked you not them , and you want to talk shit on them THAT IS MORE THEN LOW CLASSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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lol I have no idea who Mike or Nap is. lmao

and I never said that to you on icq. You offered me one of your employees and I told you that I was taking resumes from people right now. Yes some are from the phillipines and yes if somone from the phillipines wanted me to pay them half of what you would charge me then of course I would hire them that way.
I think you are trying to put some story together you have somehow mixed me into it. I didn't no that Malvin was still working for AOS. He told me he was working from home and had left AOS. and yes I told you that on icq.

lol you are quoting someone else's thread and then addressing me. I am not questioning who you are or if you are associated with AOS. I really don't give a shit.

My main issue was that I had a designer that was working for me and others during the same work hours. and being paid for fulltime from each. Then he began referring his friends to do work and they were all doing the same thing.

Jim, just stop posting or informing who the owner of AOS is...
this thread has nothing to do with the name of the owner...ok.


Thanks,

Sheena

well, something that shows in this thread is that the new outsource guys are not exactly the brightest in their classrooms. At least post a button which is located at a server that is not the same than adultoutsourcing.com :1orglaugh

your button hosted at the same server than adultoutsourcing says "galleiries" :Graucho

btw, I can name most hidden identities of the outsourcing guys, but I won't because I'm way too cool

if in doubt, ask Alfred
http://www.fdsign.com/bobera/alfredjuicy.gif

The rumors of the mutiny are not true.

The truth is 3 people at our company (out of a staff of more than 100) decided to go it at their own.

In any large company (even in America) there are a certain percentage of people who will steal ideas, knowledge, etc for their own benefit.

I don't mind our employees going off and working for their own. They can do what they want with their own time.

It is when they use our computers, bandwidth, servers, and our clients time to do other people's work is when it bothers me.

It is the same as working at a department store and stealing.

Say you were the owner of Sears and you caught one of your employees stealing a hammer from the hardware section.

Would you let him come back to work the next day?

The answer is no, he would be fired immediately.

The owner is not "John". It is me James. He is not Filipino, he is as Texan as George Bush is :)

If anybody wants my last name just ICQ me please.

170981918

Harvey,

This guy is not Adultoutsourcing. He is simply hosted by the same hosting company as adultoutsourcing.

Tulin Online - Netblock 66.28.200.* - 207.*

Thanks!

First of all, I can vouch for Wendy's footer. Vonage is the best thing to happen to phones in a really, really long time. We use it here in Manila, and it is like calling the states from next door.

Wendy, please let me make up what happened to you with the webmaster situation. Please ICQ me on 170981918.