Sponsor with 90% rev share for webmasters - GoFuckYourself.com

pimplink · 10-07-2003, 09:27 PM

Does this type of sponsor exist? Of course, 90% after all fees and costs are taken out.

JSA Matt · 10-07-2003, 09:30 PM

Who would pay you 90% on 10 signups a month?

pimplink · 10-07-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Who would pay you 90% on 10 signups a month?

Im sorry to hear that JSA only gets you 10 signups a month

However, on the serious side.... Im guessing that program operators that know how to upsell, cross sell, exit sell, and accessory sell WHILE retaining well can afford 90%

garce · 10-07-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by pimplink
Does this type of sponsor exist? Of course, 90% after all fees and costs are taken out.

What great timing! I have just started a program where I pay 80% to all affiliates who send their girlfriends/wives over to lick my ass clean the morning after wing night (usually Thursdays).

I'll add an extra 10% for picking the toilet paper out of my ass hair with her teeth. Pretty much what you're looking for, right?

garce

pimplink · 10-07-2003, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by garce

What great timing! I have just started a program where I pay 80% to all affiliates who send their girlfriends/wives over to lick my ass clean the morning after wing night (usually Thursdays).

I'll add an extra 10% for picking the toilet paper out of my ass hair with her teeth. Pretty much what you're looking for, right?

garce

Wow... such wit and humor...for a 2 year old.

Matt_WildCash · 10-07-2003, 11:08 PM

People will pay you 70-90% after all fees deducated but you'll get your sales shaved hard.

Stick with a good quality 50/50 program, most 50/50 programs pay the processing fees out of their cut so most 50/50 programs are really 65/65% recurring.

dantheman · 10-08-2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Driven
People will pay you 70-90% after all fees deducated but you'll get your sales shaved hard.

Stick with a good quality 50/50 program, most 50/50 programs pay the processing fees out of their cut so most 50/50 programs are really 65/65% recurring.

Wepayu.com pays out 70% though epoch and it's a little hard to shave when they wont let me have the razor

Forest · 10-08-2003, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by dantheman

Wepayu.com pays out 70% though epoch and it's a little hard to shave when they wont let me have the razor

Ill have mary shave your head while your here

wepayu.com rokks!!!

Darren · 10-08-2003, 06:48 AM

icq me.

pimplink · 10-08-2003, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by dantheman

Wepayu.com pays out 70% though epoch and it's a little hard to shave when they wont let me have the razor

EXACTLY. Using 3rd party billing for partnerships NORMALLY cuts down on the shave scenario.

Nysus · 10-08-2003, 07:36 AM

Another thing I'd look out for are billing tactics -- Do they charge $49.95 for membership and try to trick the surfer into getting another $39.95 membership somewhere else, and then another $39.95 membership at yet another yet? You'll likely only get the % off of that first signup, so they're actually only giving you a much lower %.. Mind you I wouldn't promote someone who has such a high cost primarily because conversions will suck, and those programs mainly try to gather emails as well as pop-up mania etc.. Oh, and they usually try to make more money by 'wanted' spam and sell the emails as well.

Anyways. Yeah.

Cheers,
Matt

rowan · 10-08-2003, 07:43 AM

Just curious, which clean revshare programs using third party billers offer the highest unconditional payouts - without using consoles, cross sales, upsells and other 'tricks'?

Remember also to find out whether the quoted figure is gross or net. One 60/40 program I use deducts processing fees after the 60% split, so it's really a 53% program.

<IMX> · 10-08-2003, 07:44 AM

if they are giving you above 60% of "rev-share" most likely it isn't a partnership where you are splitting ALL revenue.

It simply can't be.

Consider:
1.) Hosting
2.) Free Hosted Gals
3.) Content
4.) Staff
5.) Processor
6.) Office overhead

They are running it on a per sign model.

That means you are not getting exits, crosses, upsells in members area, "re-joins" when members expire etc...

And paying you squat...
you better check the members area etc...

How long is the user going to stay a member if they are upselling them to a "bonus" trial offer straight away to a better site???

pimplink · 10-08-2003, 08:45 AM

Good points as usual, IMX.

However, given enough creativity and innovation, is there a way to still make money and rebill while giving the affiliate 90%?

Did we explore all the ways a program can make money?

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>
if they are giving you above 60% of "rev-share" most likely it isn't a partnership where you are splitting ALL revenue.

It simply can't be.

Consider:
1.) Hosting
2.) Free Hosted Gals
3.) Content
4.) Staff
5.) Processor
6.) Office overhead

They are running it on a per sign model.

That means you are not getting exits, crosses, upsells in members area, "re-joins" when members expire etc...

And paying you squat...
you better check the members area etc...

How long is the user going to stay a member if they are upselling them to a "bonus" trial offer straight away to a better site???

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-08-2003, 08:54 AM

Quote:

However, given enough creativity and innovation, is there a way to still make money and rebill while giving the affiliate 90%?

creativity and innovation = Chargebacks

The best way to keep those things down is by not offering multiple member upsells, but tonnes of original content, instead -

We run at 0.02% And are currently paying out 10% higher than is wise on rebilling (65%) or 30$ per join.

pimplink · 10-08-2003, 06:38 PM

Does creativity and innovation in retention as well as user interactivity necessarily have to result in chargebacks?

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker

creativity and innovation = Chargebacks

The best way to keep those things down is by not offering multiple member upsells, but tonnes of original content, instead -

We run at 0.02% And are currently paying out 10% higher than is wise on rebilling (65%) or 30$ per join.

bigdog · 10-08-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker

creativity and innovation = Chargebacks

The best way to keep those things down is by not offering multiple member upsells, but tonnes of original content, instead -

We run at 0.02% And are currently paying out 10% higher than is wise on rebilling (65%) or 30$ per join.

why does everyone think original content is the key

bhutocracy · 10-08-2003, 06:46 PM

I want to know why someone would WANT to use a 90% revshare program. Cross sells, chargebacks and shaving would normally figure into the equation somewhere.
Still I'm sure it's feasible. Most things are if done creatively enough.
but sticking with 50-70% is a safer bet.
sorry for the obviousness...

<IMX> · 10-08-2003, 06:54 PM

Original content is only a line to "sell" webmasters to get their traffic.

How useful is MILF site number 30? Even if the content is "exclusive."

Consider...Nasty dollars, Ox, BangBros, and all the copycats have used a lot of the same models.

An original concept, focused campaign, good traffic management etc.

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Bottom line.
90% is a fucking markting ploy to webmasters.

what matters is:
1.) cash per impression (text/banner)
You can control this.

2.) cash per click-through (conversion)
You can only control this to a degree...and count on the sponsor to do well with your qualified traffic.

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog

why does everyone think original content is the key

pimplink · 10-08-2003, 06:55 PM

What if there's no cross sell

Little chargeback cuz of no cross sell

shaving -- hard to shave with 3rd party billing

No exits

Now, some people would call this madness... but its a great opportunity for someone who can seamlessly upsell and also sell high levels of user interactivity.

Maybe the whole partnership model is due for a revolution?

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy
I want to know why someone would WANT to use a 90% revshare program. Cross sells, chargebacks and shaving would normally figure into the equation somewhere.
Still I'm sure it's feasible. Most things are if done creatively enough.
but sticking with 50-70% is a safer bet.
sorry for the obviousness...

<IMX> · 10-08-2003, 07:26 PM

Just pay per sign.
Or pay per active member (converts from trial).

But paying above 60% on a "partnership"
and 80% on "rev-share" (per sign model for lack of better terminology)

leaves ppl wondering where the dick is going to come from.

:2cents:

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
What if there's no cross sell

Little chargeback cuz of no cross sell

shaving -- hard to shave with 3rd party billing

No exits

Now, some people would call this madness... but its a great opportunity for someone who can seamlessly upsell and also sell high levels of user interactivity.

Maybe the whole partnership model is due for a revolution?

pimplink · 10-08-2003, 07:54 PM

upsells. email. etc? You know, probably better than most guys here, that there is more revenue streams that meets the eye.

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>
Just pay per sign.
Or pay per active member (converts from trial).

But paying above 60% on a "partnership"
and 80% on "rev-share" (per sign model for lack of better terminology)

leaves ppl wondering where the dick is going to come from.

:2cents:

<IMX> · 10-08-2003, 08:37 PM

Yes, but from a webmaster pt of view...

If you are maxing the rev. streams in other areas...where's their cut???

If you have a NPV on every join.
Pay a % of that NPV.

That makes it better for the webmaster.

90% of rev-share is meaningless if you are only getting 10% of that income yourself...and maxing other streams of revenue.

What is the incentive to maximize retention? as 10% isn't much...

For example , given limited resources...would a program invest in more content to retain (earning a fraction of that revenue)... or more traffic to increase their own joins?

etc...

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
upsells. email. etc? You know, probably better than most guys here, that there is more revenue streams that meets the eye.

beemk · 10-08-2003, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink

Im sorry to hear that JSA only gets you 10 signups a month

However, on the serious side.... Im guessing that program operators that know how to upsell, cross sell, exit sell, and accessory sell WHILE retaining well can afford 90%

probably most people can afford 90% with all costs aside. costs are never definite so you cant do that though.

4Pics · 10-08-2003, 11:26 PM

I think 50-65% would be the max anyone could pay without doing other things to make up the difference.

1) Upsells to other websites
2) Cross-sells to other websites
3) Exit/Entrance Consoles you dont get paid on.

You have to pay for new content, feeds, %, chargebacks, bandwith & employees.

Then the program needs to make a buck or whats the point?

pimplink · 10-09-2003, 06:30 AM

Like I said,

Its doable if you really know your niche and don't do the typical program shenanigans of crap cross sells (you know, the prechecked crap), the annoying popups and exits, etc.

It would take a lot of interactivity and a lot of focus on retention and 90% is a winner both for the webmaster and the program.

Wait for an announcement soon...from the ole PIMPLINK

Quote:

Originally posted by 4Pics
I think 50-65% would be the max anyone could pay without doing other things to make up the difference.

1) Upsells to other websites
2) Cross-sells to other websites
3) Exit/Entrance Consoles you dont get paid on.

You have to pay for new content, feeds, %, chargebacks, bandwith & employees.

Then the program needs to make a buck or whats the point?

bigdog · 10-09-2003, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jokke

Because it is ?

well if originalcontent is the key how come all the big players are not paying more on their reality type sites if retention is so much better

pimplink · 10-09-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog

well if originalcontent is the key how come all the big players are not paying more on their reality type sites if retention is so much better

its called subsidizing less profitable units in a set with more profitable ones.

pimplink · 10-09-2003, 07:51 AM

everybody's talking about exclusive content... but what about interactive content? or customized viewing experience?

Fabien · 10-09-2003, 07:58 AM

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pimplink · 10-09-2003, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabien
Yes it exists but then again
Map2 goes to work

yeah, its all about playing around with the business model. Its in there. Just gotta avoid the same formulaic crap.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I want to know why someone would WANT to use a 90% revshare program. Cross sells, chargebacks and shaving would normally figure into the equation somewhere. Still I'm sure it's feasible. Most things are if done creatively enough. but sticking with 50-70% is a safer bet. sorry for the obviousness... Last edited by bhutocracy; 10-08-2003 at 06:50 PM..

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pimplink Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Closer than you think Posts: 9,535	everybody's talking about exclusive content... but what about interactive content? or customized viewing experience? __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

10-07-2003, 09:30 PM	#2
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	Who would pay you 90% on 10 signups a month?

10-07-2003, 11:08 PM	#6
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	People will pay you 70-90% after all fees deducated but you'll get your sales shaved hard. Stick with a good quality 50/50 program, most 50/50 programs pay the processing fees out of their cut so most 50/50 programs are really 65/65% recurring.

10-08-2003, 07:36 AM	#11
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Another thing I'd look out for are billing tactics -- Do they charge $49.95 for membership and try to trick the surfer into getting another $39.95 membership somewhere else, and then another $39.95 membership at yet another yet? You'll likely only get the % off of that first signup, so they're actually only giving you a much lower %.. Mind you I wouldn't promote someone who has such a high cost primarily because conversions will suck, and those programs mainly try to gather emails as well as pop-up mania etc.. Oh, and they usually try to make more money by 'wanted' spam and sell the emails as well. Anyways. Yeah. Cheers, Matt

10-08-2003, 07:43 AM	#12
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Just curious, which clean revshare programs using third party billers offer the highest unconditional payouts - without using consoles, cross sales, upsells and other 'tricks'? Remember also to find out whether the quoted figure is gross or net. One 60/40 program I use deducts processing fees after the 60% split, so it's really a 53% program.

10-08-2003, 11:26 PM	#25
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I think 50-65% would be the max anyone could pay without doing other things to make up the difference. 1) Upsells to other websites 2) Cross-sells to other websites 3) Exit/Entrance Consoles you dont get paid on. You have to pay for new content, feeds, %, chargebacks, bandwith & employees. Then the program needs to make a buck or whats the point?

10-09-2003, 07:58 AM	#30
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Yes it exists but then again Map2 goes to work