Sms Billing Solution - GoFuckYourself.com

GoNe · 08-18-2003, 04:18 PM

Anyone that got a little exeperince with Sms billing?

- How does it work?
- What companys offer sms billing service?
- Is there a fee? Then How much?

Well if you got any exeperince or knows someone
that got some please contact me im really
intrested.

Thanks in advance
Valentin

reynold · 08-18-2003, 04:24 PM

smsrevenue.net or .com (they are actually an affiliate of a bigger program, check it out.)

amph · 08-18-2003, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GoNe
Anyone that got a little exeperince with Sms billing?

- How does it work?
- What companys offer sms billing service?
- Is there a fee? Then How much?

Well if you got any exeperince or knows someone
that got some please contact me im really
intrested.

Thanks in advance
Valentin

All your customers charged back after your hosting fiasco so yer lookin for a non-refundable payment option now?

bamse · 09-17-2003, 01:46 AM

Our company's main focus is SMS billing.

Contact me on [email protected] for more info!

BigBucks · 09-17-2003, 03:14 AM

Some facts you may not be aware of on SMS Billing:

1. Payment cycles from 3-9months...yes thats right SMS generated in month 1 wont be paid for as long as 9 months

2. Chargebacks. or as we like to call them non-collectables, can be up to 65% of your total revenue.

3. EU E-money directive may at any time in the next 3 months make it illegal for mobile operators to offer this solution, as they will require a banking licence.

4. Reveue share to webmaster is only 30% of the end user price.

5. Maximum charge is £1.50 / Eur2 per day, if anymore you're breaking the mobile operators code of practice.

Get SMART, leave SMS well alone, stick with what works:

Credit/Debit cards. Dialers.

We offer SMS Billing but we always let our customers know the downside.

ICQ me on 263799608 if you need any additional info

Ludvig · 09-17-2003, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBucks
Some facts you may not be aware of on SMS Billing:

1. Payment cycles from 3-9months...yes thats right SMS generated in month 1 wont be paid for as long as 9 months

2. Chargebacks. or as we like to call them non-collectables, can be up to 65% of your total revenue.

3. EU E-money directive may at any time in the next 3 months make it illegal for mobile operators to offer this solution, as they will require a banking licence.

4. Reveue share to webmaster is only 30% of the end user price.

5. Maximum charge is £1.50 / Eur2 per day, if anymore you're breaking the mobile operators code of practice.

Get SMART, leave SMS well alone, stick with what works:

Credit/Debit cards. Dialers.

We offer SMS Billing but we always let our customers know the downside.

ICQ me on 263799608 if you need any additional info

Ah, never knew that before. Anyone using SMS for primary billing?

bamse · 09-17-2003, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBucks
Some facts you may not be aware of on SMS Billing:

1. Payment cycles from 3-9months...yes thats right SMS generated in month 1 wont be paid for as long as 9 months

2. Chargebacks. or as we like to call them non-collectables, can be up to 65% of your total revenue.

3. EU E-money directive may at any time in the next 3 months make it illegal for mobile operators to offer this solution, as they will require a banking licence.

4. Reveue share to webmaster is only 30% of the end user price.

5. Maximum charge is £1.50 / Eur2 per day, if anymore you're breaking the mobile operators code of practice.

Get SMART, leave SMS well alone, stick with what works:

Credit/Debit cards. Dialers.

We offer SMS Billing but we always let our customers know the downside.

ICQ me on 263799608 if you need any additional info

I can't agree to 100% with all this:

1. We have a permanent payment cycle of up to MAX 2 months
2. 65% is a very high number, we've experienced approx 15% maximum in UK
3. They may do, but why not use while it is active?
4. That depends on the deal with the webmaster but may be true, operator payouts are bad =( But if you add to that that more people will buy when SMS is available as a solution it counts up to more money..
5. That's not true, for example in Germany we can bill ?2.49

I can though agree to that SMS has its downsides because of the rather low payouts from the operator, but on the other side, we get a lot more buyers with SMS so in the end it doesn't really matter, we earn the same or more money most often!

Ludvig: Yep, we use SMS as primary billing in many places, our newest creation for example is: www.smsvid.com

But that's my

mrblack · 10-07-2003, 01:44 AM

We have over 100's of partners using SMS billing as a primary billing method especially now that the CC processors are NOT processing.

Some of what is said in here is correct, however there are downsides and upsides to all payment methods.

Hows about the chargeback levels Visa and MC have imposed...

Recurring is also not a problem on the networks where MT (Mobile Terminated) billing is an option.

Basically SMS is now a true billing option and it really comes down to what works for you.

assistant27 · 10-07-2003, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBucks
Some facts you may not be aware of on SMS Billing:
3. EU E-money directive may at any time in the next 3 months make it illegal for mobile operators to offer this solution, as they will require a banking licence.

4. Reveue share to webmaster is only 30% of the end user price.

5. Maximum charge is £1.50 / Eur2 per day, if anymore you're breaking the mobile operators code of practice.

ICQ me on 263799608 if you need any additional info

5. depends on mobile operator, there are mobile operators that allow you to charge up to 50euro over sms, of course only domestic.

Nathan · 10-07-2003, 01:56 AM

mrblack,

is MT even allowed to be used this way? You can't just send out MT SMS msgs to anyone now can you? They have to agree to it to some point? And possibly agree to it every single time you want to send one, no?

polish_aristocrat · 10-07-2003, 02:01 AM

From my own experience I can tell you that there are several countries where people won't use their credit card online, even if they have it.
They are afraid of being charged more that they can afford, they are afraid of security.
In America people pay with credit cards every day and if someone wants to pay huge amount in cash, it is suspicious.
But there are so many other countries where the huge majority pays only in cash, they don't have credit cards or if they have them, they are afraid to use them ( even offline ).
I know people who send out sms'es to random people when they are drunk.
But no one of them would give cash to a stranger on the street.
Sms'es work like cc's - you pay now, but you don't think of it as a payment, since you'll have to pay it in about 1 month.

If someone uses his credit card once a week, then he may not remember the details etc. when he's currently masturbating in front of the PC. But in the same time, he's sending about 2-6 sms'es daily to friends etc.
If he notices a site that asks for his cc, he will say "fuck the scammers", or "no, thanks, i am afraid of that" and will leave.
On the other hand when he sees "send a sms to get instant access", it's obvious that he will be likely to do it.
This is just from the surfer perpective. I don't work with sms billing, but started a thread about this ( which got bumped today ), because I was interested why so few people involved in th online adult business don't make use of this payment method.

assistant27 · 10-07-2003, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

If someone uses his credit card once a week, then he may not remember the details etc. when he's currently masturbating in front of the PC. But in the same time, he's sending about 2-6 sms'es daily to friends etc.
If he notices a site that asks for his cc, he will say "fuck the scammers", or "no, thanks, i am afraid of that" and will leave.
On the other hand when he sees "send a sms to get instant access", it's obvious that he will be likely to do it.
This is just from the surfer perpective. I don't work with sms billing, but started a thread about this ( which got bumped today ), because I was interested why so few people involved in th online adult business don't make use of this payment method.

I agree with this

and I know few girls that spend 30euro daily sending smses to 20-30 of their friends and chatting all day-night, soo if she can pay for phone logos, ring tones with one sms, she will do it too.
same for guys buying porn.

In italy, mobile operator itself has make xxx website only for wap-gprs users and its sucessfull.

bamse · 10-07-2003, 06:10 AM

Can't more than agree!

To the MT-billing thing I can add some things.
Like for subscriptions services in Sweden you aren't allowed to bill more than 200 SEK a month.
In England you can't bill more than 15£ a day (puh, that's much enough though according to me)
Etc etc.. There are regulations!

But you are allowed to do it..

08-18-2003, 04:18 PM	#1
GoNe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: unknown Posts: 2,892	Sms Billing Solution Anyone that got a little exeperince with Sms billing? - How does it work? - What companys offer sms billing service? - Is there a fee? Then How much? Well if you got any exeperince or knows someone that got some please contact me im really intrested. Thanks in advance Valentin __________________ buying domains 1 year or more in age. Adult related only. Email me at webmaster @ crazyvids.com

09-17-2003, 03:14 AM	#5
BigBucks Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 75	Some facts you may not be aware of on SMS Billing: 1. Payment cycles from 3-9months...yes thats right SMS generated in month 1 wont be paid for as long as 9 months 2. Chargebacks. or as we like to call them non-collectables, can be up to 65% of your total revenue. 3. EU E-money directive may at any time in the next 3 months make it illegal for mobile operators to offer this solution, as they will require a banking licence. 4. Reveue share to webmaster is only 30% of the end user price. 5. Maximum charge is £1.50 / Eur2 per day, if anymore you're breaking the mobile operators code of practice. Get SMART, leave SMS well alone, stick with what works: Credit/Debit cards. Dialers. We offer SMS Billing but we always let our customers know the downside. ICQ me on 263799608 if you need any additional info __________________ BigBucks...

10-07-2003, 01:44 AM	#8
mrblack Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: BrisVegas Posts: 12	We have over 100's of partners using SMS billing as a primary billing method especially now that the CC processors are NOT processing. Some of what is said in here is correct, however there are downsides and upsides to all payment methods. Hows about the chargeback levels Visa and MC have imposed... Recurring is also not a problem on the networks where MT (Mobile Terminated) billing is an option. Basically SMS is now a true billing option and it really comes down to what works for you. __________________ http://mbill.biz "Turnkey Mobile Billing"

10-07-2003, 01:56 AM	#10
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	mrblack, is MT even allowed to be used this way? You can't just send out MT SMS msgs to anyone now can you? They have to agree to it to some point? And possibly agree to it every single time you want to send one, no? __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

10-07-2003, 02:01 AM	#11
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	From my own experience I can tell you that there are several countries where people won't use their credit card online, even if they have it. They are afraid of being charged more that they can afford, they are afraid of security. In America people pay with credit cards every day and if someone wants to pay huge amount in cash, it is suspicious. But there are so many other countries where the huge majority pays only in cash, they don't have credit cards or if they have them, they are afraid to use them ( even offline ). I know people who send out sms'es to random people when they are drunk. But no one of them would give cash to a stranger on the street. Sms'es work like cc's - you pay now, but you don't think of it as a payment, since you'll have to pay it in about 1 month. If someone uses his credit card once a week, then he may not remember the details etc. when he's currently masturbating in front of the PC. But in the same time, he's sending about 2-6 sms'es daily to friends etc. If he notices a site that asks for his cc, he will say "fuck the scammers", or "no, thanks, i am afraid of that" and will leave. On the other hand when he sees "send a sms to get instant access", it's obvious that he will be likely to do it. This is just from the surfer perpective. I don't work with sms billing, but started a thread about this ( which got bumped today ), because I was interested why so few people involved in th online adult business don't make use of this payment method. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

08-18-2003, 04:24 PM	#2
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	smsrevenue.net or .com (they are actually an affiliate of a bigger program, check it out.)

09-17-2003, 01:46 AM	#4
bamse Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 32	Our company's main focus is SMS billing. Contact me on [email protected] for more info!

10-07-2003, 06:10 AM	#13
bamse Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 32	Can't more than agree! To the MT-billing thing I can add some things. Like for subscriptions services in Sweden you aren't allowed to bill more than 200 SEK a month. In England you can't bill more than 15£ a day (puh, that's much enough though according to me) Etc etc.. There are regulations! But you are allowed to do it..