Dude, are you seriously this dense?

Are you having that much difficulty following the thread? And of course I'm assuming you're having the same problem with the news.

Nice twist. Germany didnt kill Germans, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your 9th grade history class hasnt covered the Holocaust yet.

No shit...apparently he's not aware that Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus during the civil war.

Apparently he's never heard of Japanese Internment camps, or Sen. McCarthy either.

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

edit: oh wait. The "news".? No wonder you're all wacked out about conspiracy theories and how the United States is out to conquer all its citizens.

A good dilligent citizen who is actually interested in freedom should always be aware of his government's actions.

See you're like the guys during the McCarthy hearings who thought they were the good citizens by naming names...when the actual good citizens were those who lost their jobs, homes, families, lives because they would not name names....even if they knew the person was a card carrying communist.

ahhh yes, the sweet sweet smell of hegemony at work.

Exactly. Whats ironic about all of this is the ones that claim to be so patriotic are the ones that have no problem trashing the constitution.

Ah, history. Bush is Hitler. Clinton is Hitler. Saddam is Hitler. Milosevic is Hitler. Castro is Hitler. Noriega is Hitler. the Ayatollah is Hitler. No one ever gets tired of playing the Hitler card.

The Weimar Republic was 14 years old at the time. The American Republic is 227. During that time the US has suspended "universal" civil rights many times in various acts and executive orders some of them before 1933. Arguably the two greatest presidents in US history suspended civil rights during times of national emergency; Roosevelt and Lincoln. Both of them did it with executive order not even bothering to go to Congress. A president has authority to do that. Congress balances that power with the ability to impeach. The American people balance that power at the election booth.

The Patriot Act is a normal reaction to such things both in American and World history. Many nations of the world have "national security" clauses intheir Constitution. Turkey being one example.

Doesn't mean I like the Patriot Act. Every last line of it should be repealed. If you pay attention to the US courts and Congress you'll see that has already begun.

I do think though that the proper historical analogy is not 1933 German history but any of the multitudes of times the US has invoked such measures - some of them quite drastic. Internment being probably the worst example. Wanna see what a real uproar is about? Read about the Alien and Sedition acts of John Adam's administration. Thomas Jefferson, the vice president at the time, left town in protest.

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1 at a time of national emergency. Now reaction is going back the other way.

I didn't bother reading this drivel, just skimmed the first couple posts.


The patriot act was passed unanimously (or maybe one vote shy of that) in congress.
cute how you leftists pretend the Dems didn't play a part in this.
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Apparently, my dear, you didn't click the link to read the act yourself. It's easy to say my mind is "simple" if I believe this, but reading the entire act yourself would certainly remove all doubt.. Then come back and call ME simple, when the proof is smacking you right in the face :P

Are you sure you aren't 12clicks? Anyone who agrees with you must be a liberal. Bullshit, how about anyone who agrees with you just has a different opinion and might not be so blinded by hero-worship? :P

The fact that they've already fingered Pornography SEVERAL times as FUNDING TERRORISM, or so they say, makes anyone IN, around, or involved the industry in ANY WAY automatically suspect. If the Patriot Act 2 goes thorugh, owning a Playboy will be enough reason for search and seizure.

When did I say in any of those statements that I hate Bush? I was simply pointing out FACTS of what the Patriot act expansions that Ashfucker is trying to push through will involve. Don't believe me, go check for yourself.

My mother is an American. This stuff will affect her very much so, therefore it concerns me very much so.

What you're not realizing here though is that as the system stands, the police officers who propegate such crimes can be punished.. Under the new Patriot act, they HAVE IMMUNITY.

You're trying to say that the fact they are going to try to strip citizenship from BORN AND BRED Americans on no more evidence than someone in the government pointing and saying "He did some stuff that MIGHT be terrorist" is ok with you? Well guess what, Ashbutthead and his crones have declared that Pornography FUNDS TERRORISM. You're in the industry. Period. That's all they would need. They are going after ALL porn in the guise of preventing child pornography, but it makes EVERYONE suspect. Go read the act for yourself, instead of chirping what you've been fed. I spent 8 hours last night reading through the act itself, and article after article of lawyer, other legal institutions, newspapers, different political viewpoints, etc etc on the act, and it frankly scared the shit out of me. And I'm not even American. Why not go inform yourself first, eh?

Ok, well you enjoy your random body cavity searches, having your computers confiscated, having your civil liberties suspended, perhaps your citizenship stripped.. Not to mention giving your DNA for the national database, and I'll run to the corner store, grab me some soda water, come home and surf in peace. And I'll wave to a cop and not worry he's going to arrest me for nothing more than the fact he doesn't like my clothes :P

Do you often believe in everything you read? Biased articles, whether based on fact or fiction, still give you the opportunity to disagree with them. Becoming paranoid over things that do not exist yet, is a waste of time. I could list a lot of things that COULD happen in the future, which every human should fear... does it mean they WILL happen? Highly unlikely. I'd like to think America consists of a few people that will still object to unconstitutional laws. Contrary to what SOME people believe, we are NOT living in 1933 Germany. Our society is far too advanced and civil to allow the US government to become that of a malicious dictatorship. I'm tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler. It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see. If I took every article published on a web site, as the absolute truth and definite course of action, I would be worried about a lot of nonsense too.

You say yourself America won't allow unconstitutional changes to slip through because will fight them. Who do you think the people fighting them are?

Yes the law says they could be punished now... however, the government often sides with law enforcement already. How many times were charges NOT brought up against police officers that violated people's rights? How many times have police officers already been found not guilty of killing unarmed citizens? How many times WAY before 9/11 and the Patriot Act has this already occurred? Again, this is NOT new. Gross injustices ALREADY exist... but I guess they do not become a threat until they may affect you personally.

- Guantanamo camp ....

Anyone that takes action against what they feel is wrong. I do not mean violence, but America allows you to voice your opinions. You can take your objections to Congress or more simply use your voting power. Voting for local politicians is just as important as any other. They are the ones that are more likely to affect your everyday life, as many laws are within your jurisdiction and not just federal.

Wow you are in seeing distance of this? Amazing... Still would be incomparable to nazi soldiers marching up and down your streets and hauling you off to a concentration camp. I have yet to see any innocent American or non-American subjected to this level of torture, that some paranoid people want us to fear.

And there's groups of people that believe driving an SUV is funding terrorism. Your point would be? Moot. There's people that associate EVERYTHING and ANYTHING with terrorism. It does not make it right or constitutional or for that matter, the law. Are they going to start harvesting Playboy readers and SUV drivers by the dozens and bring terrorist charges up on them? I think not. Like I said before, the government does not have the time, money or horsepower to take every minor incident a federal indictment. Meaningless, ancient and unimportant laws like this ALREADY exist. This is NOTHING new. In some states you could be arrested, fined and do jail time for having sex with socks on. Again, these laws only become a fear when they threaten some people personally. If you are not aware of the goverment's ability to turn anything into an illegal action, you have missed the past 200+ years of history.

This guy lived blocks from me.

Sentenced for one year in prison for having bomb making info on his website.

The SAME info can be bought on Amazon dot com, as well as numerous books written by the EX-united states military.

http://www.raisethefist.com/sherman.html

Why always "Americans" ??? In nazi Germany, it was jews that were taken to camp, even though they were German.

In the US now, has any "American" of muslim faith been detained without access to legal counsel ???

But your basic point is that, aside of doing it to Americans, it is OK to rape civil liberties and international laws...

You are pathetic and a coward.

People like you weaken democracy.

Other people in this thread have the drive to actually fight for what they believe in.

All you do is ramble on about shit.

<b>You don't even vote.</b>

I doubt you're involved in politics on any level.

You really are a pathetic fool, and are truly impotent since you don't even have the conviction to act by voting.

Now don't you have search engines to spam?

I would enter this thread big time...but you are doing a fabulous job...and I don't have the time to do so this morning. No one has layed a glove on you yet...and I doubt that anyone that has posted thus far has the ability to do so. :thumbsup :thumbsup

You have a lot to learn about bating people still, youngster. Keep reading my posts and learn.

What a pathetic attempt to try to score some snatch. You 2 should hook up though, you both can place each other under surveillance during the times you're not licking each others asses.

FYI...because of my disability I do not engage in sexual intercourse anymore. BTW...:321GFY

Didnt daddy teach you not to stick your cock in the holes in the walls of adult book stores?

Actually, I read the act itself.. the articles were to simplify it for those who might not be willing to take that amount of time... But,whatever :P

FYI...I was injured in the 1st Gulf War...and furthermore...

You are dismissed.

No actually, I think that's wrong all around.. This will just make it easier for law enforcement do to it, and they won't even NEED an excuse... Dear, I give you credit for being smart most of the time. Instead of arguing so hard with me, go read the act yourself. Ok?

Here you go.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

I said non-Americans too :winkwink:

Yes muslims have been detained on suspicion... so have whites, blacks, asians, jews, hindus, baptists, catholics, atheists, purple polka dotted aliens... all through history, some people of every origin have have been held in connection with terrorism, suspicion, association and have received inadequate and/or misrepresented cousel. It's been this way all throughout history. To reiterate, this is nothing new. Injustices and wrongful imprisonment are one of the many flaws our nation and other countries deal with daily.

Thank you :thumbsup I always enjoy reading your posts. It's nice to have company in the GFY political minority :1orglaugh

and they call it neocon love.

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Why is it, that when someone agrees with me, they are an ass licker... but when someone agrees with an anti-Bush supporter, they are "right" ? I love double standards, they are so cute :)

Just what exactly are you "furious" about?

Furious_Fuhrer

Its called logic, you should try using it sometime.

I'm not trying to say what you posted is invalid or untrue sweetie :) I'm just saying, it is not set in stone and to fear things that are most likely not to float and/or take them so literally, is mainly paranoia and there is no need to fan an inferno that is already raring.

People would love to believe that American law enforcement has always needed an excuse to take action against suspicious behavior, but the fact remains, rights have been violated through wrongful searches, seizures, questioning etc since the dawn of America's time. I guarantee, just about ANYTHING you would consider a violation of rights, can be justified by a good defense attorney and/or by the current laws we already have. It's just how the system works... right or wrong, it has always been like this. It's no surprise to me... I am not sure why others are acting so shocked. Perhaps because what was formerly kept low profile, hush hush... is now out in the open?

I don't feel my freedom is being compromised. I am just as concerned about this, as I always have been. An injustice could happen to me at any time... I have seen them happen to my family and friends long before the Patriot Act. I am familiar with knowing how truth and laws can be bent and twisted. I am also comfortable with trusting my country. I choose not to live in fear.

I ended up with this handle when I was pissed about my sales lol

blah blah blah... come up with something different to say about me. I use plenty of logic... you should try spitting out a complete paragraph once in awhile... your lame one liners are stale. The truth is, your animosity towards me, is because you know my intelligence supersedes yours by a light-year.

Well...I do not think that we are of the same political persuasion. I am not a Republican nor a conservative. My political persuasion is that of a moderate with liberal leanings...for the most part...but there are some conservative viewpoints that I do agree with...and one of those is their...usually strong...position on defense...the military and military R & D.

I agree with the position that you have taken about the Patriot Act 1 & 2...and the arguements that you have presented (I have presented some of the same arguements when the subject has come up many times before this). For the most part you are dead on target.

Actually my animosity towards you is due to your ignorance mixed with your know it all attitude. The reality is you are highly uninformed and I suspect uneducated. Your posts are nothing more than a feeble attempt to be an Anne Coulter wanne be, and a poor one at that.

Is this an example of your wonderful intelligence level?

Surprised noone has argued against this. Well, maybe not surprised because noone has an argument against this. You have the right to political dissent, and the right to bear arms. The second amendmant was created solely to defend the people against an unfair government but but this case PROVES that there is no second amendmant anymore. He wasn't arrested for bomb making instructions, or political dissent, but the combination of the two.

Without political dissent what's the purpose of the second amendmant?