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Translation: when confronted with the truth, I'll talk about shoes, socks, anything to dodge the truth.:1orglaugh

In all fairness, Homegrown and the rests' attornies haven't had their chance in court, so there isn't much they could have accomplished yet, other than preparing for the trial.

You are a fucking worldclass douchebag.

"So-called" patent attorneys? They are the #1 ranked patent firm in the country.

We haven't been to court yet.

Why are you even butting into this thread when you don't know what you are talking about?

Ok, now i think i can understand you... you think I have patent attornies who are litigating against Acacia.

I don't. I just write emails and post messages.

As far as seeking/speaking the truth? Please share some.

I am sure that somewhere within your posts that there is concern for yourself and your fellow webmasters for the use of audio or video.

I hope that as more facts and truths are presented that you will come around to be not so antagonistic towards those that are trying to fight for your rights.



Fight The Patent!

12Clicks: How terribly misinformed you are. Our answer is that we are going to court and we aren't going to do that because we plan on losing.

Take time to read the following:



court docs...

I appreciate where you are coming from but I suggest you get a clue....

Yet they're so sure vivid and hustler have done the wrong thing. odd.
how about when acacia stats cherry picking WMs over patent violations while the snipe hunt is still under way?
you think if fatpad gets sued mr."fightthepatent" will share his money with you to save you?
don't hold your breath. Vivid and hustler, however, have just given you protection at their expense. (not empty promises, real protection)

mof, meet 12clicks.

wow! you must work closely with your attorneys!

Look son, I'm sure you're all that and a bag of doughnuts but as of yet, you've accomplished nothing and protected no one.
If you don't have anything positive to say about ken, vivid, or hustler, either be prepared to listen to your betters or piss off.:1orglaugh
YOU don't belong butting into this thread because as of yet, you've done NOTHING.
you got prior art? go present it, you'll get an injuntion the same day.
don't want to do it yet? why? not enough donations?

Yup, they have handed out condoms to all of their affiliates.

Please wear them for your protection when engaging in interaction with sponsors who haven't settled.

Fight The Patent!

see, telling the truth isn't hard.

I suggest you get a clue. Your betters are settling for a reason. You don't like their reason, fine. Don't expect everyone to like yours.
There's really no reason for you clowns to be in this thread. Ken is letting people know whats going on. when you're out asking for money for your pipe dream, Ken's not in that thread badmouthing you.
if you understand that, you understand my position.
It has nothing to do with you being right. I want you to be right.
How dare you badmouth others far choosing a different resolution?
The idea that you've got the only attorney worth his money is laughable.

If and until the patent is overturned, they are breaking the law engaging in interaction with sponsors who haven't settled.
do you explain that to them?

I talked to Far-L on the phone a little over a month ago. From what I've gathered, Homegrown's lawyers (Fish and Richardson, not exactly a firm to be classified as "so called patent lawyers" :winkwink: ) believe they have a good chance. So yes, they would probably tend to think that anyone who settled did the wrong thing.

Does it mean they will win for sure? Nope. Trials are always risky. That's part of Acacia's plan.

Homegrown's attornies not accomplishing anything as of this minute doesn't mean that Hustler and Vivid did the right thing or wrong thing. Who won and who lost will be clear only after the trial.

I'm kinda confused how this protection works. How do they measure your degree of protection? Revenue as a percentage of my revenue? Percentage of clicks sent to sponsors? Clicks as a percentage of all my traffic?

It appears that Ken is no longer part of his own thread :1orglaugh

12Clicks: You have zero understanding of the process involved here and I am not about to educate you.

Your spurious comments border on nonsense.

Take the settlement with the others if you agree with the patents or think it is a good business decision.

Nobody is stopping you.

You clearly do not understand how patents work.

Acacia makes a claim, it's not a law, it's a claim. And only a court of law will determine if their claim is true or not.

If affiliates are using sponsors that don't have licenses, they can be considered BY ACACIA, to be infringing their patent claims, but you won't find the Police or FBI shutting them down.

You do know that the law is enforced by the law enforcement right? So if anyone that has audio or video right now is really breaking "the law", don't you think that law enforcement would shut them down?

So just like you can type what you want, however misinformed, ignorant, or just plain owned, and Acacia can claim anything they WANT their patent to mean, it isn't law.. .it's a civil dispute.

Much like we are having a dispute on viewpoints.

I do post alot, i do try to bring awareness to the issues. How much research have you done? Have you read their patent? Have you even read my website? Granted, i present a biased point of view, but the way to truly make an informed decision is to see both sides.

The only side you seem to be looking at is the bottom sole of your shoe and wondering should you spread peanut butter or margarine on it before sticking it back in your mouth.


Fight The Patent!

Look you idiot, this isn't TV land where the case goes in front of a judge the next day.

And there are good reasons not to just throw all our prior art over to Acacia. But you need to not be an idiot to understand this.

You are woefully ill-equiped to make any points regarding Acacia claims and the stance of the Defense Group.

I admire your effort to defend Ken, although it borders on ass-kissing.

Besides, nobody was attacking Ken, just taking issue with some perceived implications in the PR.

You call me "Son"? I'm 38 with a degree from Stanford.

Idiot.

12Clicks: I am not badmouthing anyone for settling... just questioning the way that they try to spin it.

You can spin this anyway you want. And you are an anon so that shows how little you care to stand behind your words.

There are plenty of others out there that are fighting this independant of our efforts and they have excellent counsel too. They are fighting because they know too that the patents are invalid.

What is your stake in being part of this thread anyway?

Ken and I enjoyed a healthy debate of the points and each made valid points and criticisms. What do you bring to it?

you've said that twice now. a few more times and the dopey amoung us might start believing it.

No, you deciding the merits of vivid and hustler's decisions border on nonsense. do I need to remind you what *they've* done in this business and what *you've* done? The comparison would be laughable.
They've done what they think is best for themselves and their affiliates. If you've got another idea, you run along now and work it. Nobody is stopping you.
You and your buddies want to badmouth your betters for making a decision that you haven't, don't expect everyone to agree.
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hahaha ok, lets argue semantics. the law won't bother them at all. Acacia will sue them. Gee, suing someone isn't done under the law is it?

keep arguing sematics, dope.

Why don't you share some truth with yourself by answering these questions to yourself, we don't know need to know the answers.

1) Are you an affiliate of any sponsor that hasn't settled?

Because if you are, you are still an open target by Acacia.




2) Do you link directly to any video clips that are on other sites, that don't have a license by Acacia?



Because if you do, they consider linking to stuff to be contributing to infringement, especially if you receive some kind of revenue from it



3) Do you have any audio or video clips on your own website?

Because if you do, then you clearly are infringing on their claims



4) Do you have a video gallery that is hosted by some content provder that you pay to use, and they have not licensed?

Because if you do, you are still a target by Acacia.




Fight The Patent!

Gee, I didn't realize you justed started your fight yesyerday, idiot. please, I beg your forgiveness. I didn't know you only started YESTERDAY.

I'm betting one of the reasons is the amount of donations.

I suggest you re-read the thread moron. or have someone read it to you so it comes with an explaination.

I'm 39 and I hire people with degrees from stanford. what's your point?

12Clicks: Their decision was not based on the merit of the patents. Period.

They even acknowledge that in their press release.

What difference does it make that I am not as big as them?

They did not create that success on the internet so comparisons like the one you are making are simply innappropriate.

12Clicks: Take your meds.

There are different kinds of laws that have different approaches to resolution.

You seem to have thought that people who don't license Acacia's patent is breaking the law, so you clearly were thinking Criminal Law.

After i presented the Facts and Truths on this issue, you now concede that people aren't "breaking the law" as you originally posted.. so see, you are not telling the truth here.

So now, you understand that what you really meant to say is that the patent disputes will take place under Civil Law.

Of course there are other "laws", like Constitutional Law, Law of Physics, etc....

My point is this: Companies that settle made the decision for their business, and what they did "protects" their affiliates...i already posted that.

People are criciticing the big players for settling, because they believe the patents are invalid and that the big players had the resources to be able to fight against the claims.

Sure, it takes money out of their pockets, but if they were a company that had a reputation for fighting against "the man", then you can understand why eyebrows were raised.

No one is saying "don't license Acacia's patents". We are saying we believe they have invalid claims, but it will take a court to make that decision.



Fight the Patent!

how is it being spun? which part isn't true?


its not being spun, except by you.
Anon? has anyone whispered in your ear yet what a telling statement this is about YOU and what you DON'T know about this business.

that's not the issue. the issue is you bad mouthing your betters because they decide to go a different way.

I enjoy exposing the truth.

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Sorry, in addition to being a PR Hack, I have a couple of companies to run. You're obviously someone who is jealous and who is carrying a major chip on thier shoulder for something that has nothing to do with this issue. Don't waste my time or the time of others who are seriously discussing the issue at hand.

What do you do again? Who are you again? Does anyone care? Do you have anything valuable to contribute? I didn't think so......

Most of the major questions have been answered on this thread and the other thread about this issue. Myself and a few others had a good debate over the issues that ended with mutual respect and without any hard feelings. I'm moving on and getting back to work.

If anyone has any specific questions about how our settlement might help them, hurt them or otherwise, I'd be glad to answer those questions via e-mail - [email protected]

At this point 12 Clicks you are just a braying ass.

You should be proud of your contributions to this thread though.

To each their own.. As long as Acacia does not pimp Huster / Vivid as they did with CE....making press statements etc.

their decision is based on business, as you've just admitted.
your point again was?

innappropriate? you're a hanger on in this business. you come here passing judgement on people who've DONE things in this business.
what's innappropriate is thinking you should be taken seriously at all.

Is this what your lawyers are going to say to acacia too?

Here's a clue, name calling when pressed for facts works as well on chat boards as it will in court.

good luck.

What have you exposed?

IMO, that press release had statements that were misleading people to believe that they would be protected by sending traffic to Hustler. Ken clarified that this is not the case and I thanked him for his candor.

If Acacia had solid patents then why do they need to make threats and sweetheart deals to bring people on board? Why aren't they going to Microsoft for billions instead of spending millions to deal with us "low hanging fruit"? Why do all the people who settle say "i don't agree with the patents but I am settling anyway for business reasons"?

So what if I don't know who you are? At this point I don't want to know you and I certainly am not going to follow your advice on how this business supposedly really works...

Just the way you speak makes me think you are one of the old timers that probably couldn't face Acacia even if you wanted to because your hands are too unclean to go through Discovery. Now you want to make excuses for those that settle and pay for a Patent that many qualified people have looked at and judged to be overbroad and invalid and an abuse of patent process.

Let's put this bickerfest behind and wait until after our day in court to see who gets in the final "I told you so".

Have a nice day. In the words of Ron...

Peace.

Out.

I have a question for you, with all the websites that you have (i found a list of yours), and the ones that have audio stories on them, have you paid your license to Acacia?

Since you report on your website you get:
"Over 400,000 daily visitors...Over 10 million/month " you must be doing alot of sales, and with all the websites you have, you must have to pay alot of money to Acacia.

My guess, is that you didn't pay a license, and maybe never got an "information packet".. and that some of your sites, you are part of Hustler/Vivid affiliate program.... but the rest of your websites aren't "protected" and those audio stories you have, clearly infringing upon Acacia.

Or, maybe you did get an information packet, and you bought their licensing package.. and then you admired their bizmodel since the Stanford brains on your staff pointed things out, and maybe you even bought some stock at around $1.50 and feel that news of Hustler/Vivid signing has made the stock price go higher, and so therefore, you are making several times return on investments based on all of this hype.

Talk about exposing the truth.. .please do....


Fight The Patent!

You obviously don't know much about our business so trying to discredit it is falling way short.

Who are we hanging on?

CE? Ask Ron to see the stats on HGCash.

I have done business for years with Vivid, Playboy, Hustler, and each has acknowledged the success and importance of the Homegrown Video brand.

Your insults are weak and ill aimed.

Go back to the drawing board.

with all these questions you have its odd that your first post to me in this thread was over how uninformed I am. Are you asking me why I felt the need to expose you as a lightwieght in this business after explaining how *I'm* uninformed?
silly kid.

well, with all you've achieved so far, I don't blame you. :1orglaugh

Yes, my grapes are sour. :1orglaugh what is it you do in this business again? you're an employee for some smalltime adult site? yes, I'd rather be you.

ah yes. how dare multi million dollar corporations do other than what you want.

Let's put this bickerfest behind and wait until after our day in court to see who gets in the final "I told you so".
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Gee, if you win in court how exactly will vivid and hustler be hurt? I missed that part.

You must be looking at an out of date page. 10 million a month. what page is that on. its embarrassing. I need to update it.

As far as what MY lawyers have advised, We don't share business plans with rabble.:1orglaugh

learn to read. I called YOU personally a hanger on. adult website employees are a dime a dozen.

No, just ill read. you go to stanford too?

i respect your right to privacy so I want post the page I got that quote from... i notice that you don't plug anything on your sig... so i'll refrain from listing your site and the 153 sites that i found with just a 30 second effort.




that's fine, i don't expect you to... but unless you have signed a license agreement with Acacia for your use of audio and video on the multitude of websites, then you'll need to share your business plans with Acacia.

I thought you would take this opportunity to speak the truth, but instead, you back down with a slither of an answer.

I respect everyone's opinion, no matter whether i disagree with you or not.. what i don't like is hypocrits.

When you point your finger at us for all for your rabble, just remember, you have three fingers that point back to you.

As far as i see it, you have no credibility in your statements.. go back to your businesses, i am sure you are a successful businessman (money is not the measure of man's worth), let people who want to help others continue with their efforts, without your rabbling.


Fight The Patent!

again, you're wrong. you're clueless about anything "I'll need" to do.

son, telling you I don't share my business plans with the rabble *is* the truth. sorry you don't like it.

Yes, I'm a "hypocrit" because I brush off your demands like the flea you are.

you'd have to say that wouldn't you?
it never is among those who can't achieve is it?:winkwink:
I do. that's not what this thread is about. Instead of trying to badmouth vivid and hustler, why don't you run along and find some more prior art.

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
without your rabbling.
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what word are you going for here?

I would never wish hurt on Vivid and Hustler nor would I ever let my actions affect them adversely. They made choices for their business and I am not going to presume them right or wrong for making them. It is a matter of my free speech to be critical of them at my leisure.

It is worth it for us to fight the battle. Bottom line.

I am proud of what little success we have achieved and I am not belittled by your comments in the least.

Oh yeah...

My dog loves me too.

:Graucho

I'm in 100% agreement with this.

its tit for tat. You can't expect me to sit on my hands when someone comes out of the wood work to make a first post to me like:

12Clicks: I apologize for coming off so harshly.

I was over-reacting to your challenge that we had accomplished nothing positive to date.


I should have merely said that I disagree and that I am content with our achievements thus far.

Anyone taking advice from 12 Clicks deserve what they get....

His ignorance cannot be measured.

Ken I guess you missed the part of my first post where I said I didn't care what you had to say but...you are the one that took the PR job...If you want to be their PEON go right ahead but you should've expected some backlash...It is not just me, 100's of people talking shit about this decision on all the adult webmaster boards. You got paid to do a job that nobody else wanted...so deal with it ;-)

Only thing that upset me was I thought Larry Flynt would have been the best person to take them on and that money would not have been a factor for him. I guess morals change when a good deal is offered. I would have never thought for a second he would back down and put everyone else at risk. Thank god he didn't back down before or none us us would even be talking about this today.

I am not jealous or carrying a chip lol

Actually, we are considering moving to Florida within the year and getting into the content business...so this would affect my wife and me!

I run a few small websites...and own 4 small off-line businesses. Dont worry about me I do just fine :-)

I am Deeprub...off-line friends call me Troy

As far as anyone caring...I dont know if they do or not...obviously I got under your skin.

Only my thoughts on the matters...probaly anit to valuable to anyone though...but I will say what I want...fuck you, dont think to hard...you might hurt yourself!


You answered no question...you posted a message on all the adult webmaster boards...that they gave you...and then you argued a few definition of the law...and tried to justify the decision they made.

The big question is the what deal they made...but I am sure nobody will ever get the answer to this.

You started on a public forum why not let people ask there question here and finish here.

Deeprub

PS...you signature is to big also :1orglaugh

dude, that's like saying someone's baby is ugly

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



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Perhaps the most unfortunate part of this thread is the realization that when Flynt went to court to defend his 1st amendement rights, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with ethics. It was purely a business decision.

Another urban myth down the drain.

:1orglaugh


I think Ravener's post deserves the "nailed" image as well... great summary Ravener!


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Far-L thanks for the Legal.zip links. Interesting reading there.. still going through it.. but I have to say we all need to remember who 12Clicks is and exactly what we're dealing with here:

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