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galleryseek · 10-05-2003, 11:57 PM

ok jus got in a debate w/ someone i know online...

the african american culture started with slavery, that was the basis of their culture, obviously a pretty negative thing.

now what i believe, is that due to african americans being enslaved initially, the current african american society is at such a high crime rate and over all high negative statistics mainly because of their culture's history..

now he disagrees... and believes that if for example jewish people, or any other race, were enslaved like that (including whites), that that same race in presant day would be fine and would have been able to bounce back easily and understand that whatever happened in the past, is over.

i disagree with that, i think if a culture like the african american's have been exposed to the media, and history of their initial culture, for years on end, that of course it'll affect their culture in a negative way, providing reason for their current cultural status.

what do you guys think?? is it because of their past, or is it because african american's are genetically different.

MrIzzz · 10-06-2003, 12:00 AM

slavery didn't start 400 years ago.....it started out 1000's of years ago yet all those different cultures found a way to succeed and fail.

rich or poor doesn't matter on skin color......it matters on the individuals motivation in life

galleryseek · 10-06-2003, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by MrIzzz
slavery didn't start 400 years ago.....it started out 1000's of years ago yet all those different cultures found a way to succeed and fail.

rich or poor doesn't matter on skin color......it matters on the individuals motivation in life

if it matters solely on individual's motivation in life, then dont you find it weird that the majority of black people lack motivation in life then?

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 12:02 AM

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slavery didn't start 400 years ago.....it started out 1000's of years ago yet all those different cultures found a way to succeed and fail.

rich or poor doesn't matter on skin color......it matters on the individuals motivation in life.

Yep, Whites have been enslaved all over Europe (i.e. Rome) and even North Africa (Millions were enslaved there).

rooster · 10-06-2003, 12:03 AM

genetically different. Africans in general are just not a very engineering people.

Its not like most of our white ancenstor immigrants came here to streets paved with gold. They worked several hours a day in unsafe factories where guys died like crazy. No unions, no child labor laws. Many companies put signs on their business like "no irish hired".

I think the way to explain racism in this country is its a money making industry. Also blacks have been used as a pawn by the left. The jewish media have crafted a nice fairy tale in the media over the years on how blacks have the market cornerd on racism, oppression, suffering, etc.

An excellent hollywood production. Most whites cant even look black people in the face because we have been so conditioned to feeling guilty about being white and have a fear of being called a racist.

galleryseek · 10-06-2003, 12:03 AM

correct me if i'm wrong but aren't most black people in other european countries very unlike the african americans?

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 12:20 AM

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I think the way to explain racism in this country is its a money making industry. Also blacks have been used as a pawn by the left. The jewish media have crafted a nice fairy tale in the media over the years on how blacks have the market cornerd on racism, oppression, suffering, etc.

Yep, the media (Jewish as you say) try to make it out as if Whites of the past were lazy devils. They teach you on tv and in the movies that White men (of today and the past) are oppressive, lazy, racist, sexist, etc etc.

Furthermore, they will attempt to blame everyone's fallacies on the White middle class male. The reason blacks don't achieve in the US is because of slavery, the reason they don't achieve in Europe if because of racism, the reason they don't achieve in Africa (even in the example of South Africa and Zimbabwe) is purely because of colonisation.

Of course it does not end there. Feminist will blame female crime on male aggression, etc etc. African-American studies at University in America teaches you about African heritage and culture. Asian studies will teach you about Asian culture and heritage. The newly created 'White Studies' (an actual Uni course) on the other hand teaches students about White racism, sexism, and how 'the White race is inherently privileged because they have White skin.'

MrIzzz · 10-06-2003, 12:25 AM

there's a saying that goes "If you step in shit, you're the one that has to wipe it off"

so for all those people that got time to complain about how hard their life is they should stfu and go get a job!

god bless america
and fuck affirmative action

dougeetx · 10-06-2003, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by MrIzzz
there's a saying that goes "If you step in shit, you're the one that has to wipe it off"

so for all those people that got time to complain about how hard their life is they should stfu and go get a job!

god bless america
and fuck affirmative action

Speaking as a black male, I say FUCK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, also. I might not be a typical black male, though. I went to a school in Louisiana for gifted and talented kids.... I'm a member of the Dallas chapter of Mensa......I married a white lady.....and have 6 half white kids. My mom wasn't a welfare case (although she was a single parent). She has a masters degree in education and my sister is working on hers. I believe the African American culture as a whole should stop living in the past and do what's right for themselves now and in the future. Did Martin Luther King, Jr. just sit around and collect food stamps? Did Farrakhan? Nope. So, let's stop pointing the finger at other races and point the finger back at ourselves and motivate ourselves to achieve more.

Whew! Now! Let's go people!

Adorno · 10-06-2003, 12:45 AM

You retards cannot compare penal slavery from Europe to American style slavery.

We tried to enslave the natives first. It failed miserably as they had an easy time escaping and blending in with the rest of the natives.

We attempted to use the Irish as slaves, but when one of them would escape they would blend into the population thus making it difficult to control them. We even tried indentured servitude of the British but the crown put the smackdown on the practice.

******s on the other hand dont blend in. They were easy to control.

As to why they are fucked up now that is a mere numbers game. Nigs dont commit more crime than whites. The UCR reports of type 1 and type 2 index crimes only reflect arrest data in most cases and the vast majority of rural areas (white) do not report accurately if even at all. One only need to look at the track record of the penal harm movement over the last 20 years to see the effects and the false assumptions it leads to. Massive self report studies show very little difference in frequency in type 1 and type 2 index crimes between blacks and whites. Basically, ******s get arrested more and it skews the data set and leads to the false assumption that ******s commit more crime.

Statistics based on arrest data are flawed beyond comprehension.

And that is not even touching on the effects of the deindustrialization of many urban centers and the subsequent effects of white flight. Basically you set the ******s free and then when they moved into your cities you haul ass taking industry with you. Leaving horridly poor and uneducated post slavery communities to defend for themselves. But hey, that was like 2 generations ago, get over it you lazy fuckers.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 12:50 AM

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You retards cannot compare penal slavery from Europe to American style slavery.

Please do yourself a favour and read up about the North African slave trade.

KRL · 10-06-2003, 12:51 AM

All cultures have been subjected to slavery in some form throughout the history of the world.

Genetically different?

We all can be traced back to some female apes that got fucked by human like aliens.

All 30,000 of humankind's genes are on this chip.

Holly · 10-06-2003, 12:52 AM

Dear lord, this thread's gonna get shitty.

MrIzzz · 10-06-2003, 12:55 AM

i am currently dating Chim Chim

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 12:56 AM

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Dear lord, this thread's gonna get shitty.

Wrong! The fun is just starting!

Adorno · 10-06-2003, 12:58 AM

Fucking 88, why dont you just tack 14 Words on the end as well.

quiet · 10-06-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Adorno
Fucking 88, why dont you just tack 14 Words on the end as well.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:06 AM

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Fucking 88, why dont you just tack 14 Words on the end as well.

Can't debate me eh? It is funny how someone mentions black slavery it is taken seriously, but when someone mentions Black enslavement of Whites you resort to petty attacks.

Adorno · 10-06-2003, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88

Can't debate me eh? It is funny how someone mentions black slavery it is taken seriously, but when someone mentions Black enslavement of Whites you resort to petty attacks.

What?

I thought the discussion was about why ******s in the US are thought to be so fucked up? I make mention of penal slavery and you pop off about the North African slave trade. Completely irrelevant.

Perhaps you need to look up what the fuck penal slavery is and where it started before you pop off with some ignorant shit.

As for the 14 Words comment, just who do you think you are kidding? Odin88? Cmon, just stand up and claim you are neonazi and quit being a punk about it. I was confederate hammer back when you were whacking your pud to pictures of Bob Mathews. You are fooling nobody. You should join the NA, I think it would be more your style.

MrIzzz · 10-06-2003, 01:11 AM

i'm warming up my fried chicken and popcorn for this one

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:12 AM

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I thought the discussion was about why ******s in the US are thought to be so fucked up? I make mention of penal slavery and you pop off about the North African slave trade. Completely irrelevant.

No, it goes well with the other points I made. Read them.

KaLi · 10-06-2003, 01:13 AM

You guys type too much.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:16 AM

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As for the 14 Words comment, just who do you think you are kidding? Odin88? Cmon, just stand up and claim you are neonazi and quit being a punk about it. I was confederate hammer back when you were whacking your pud to pictures of Bob Mathews. You are fooling nobody. You should join the NA, I think it would be more your style.

I have responded to this issue twice now. If you are too stupid to work out how to use the search function it is not my problem.

By the way, I am already a member of a Nationalist party. Perhaps the Aussie members can inform you about them, their name is One Nation.

Holly · 10-06-2003, 01:20 AM

Buckle up! Here we go...

Adorno · 10-06-2003, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88

I have responded to this issue twice now. If you are too stupid to work out how to use the search function it is not my problem.

By the way, I am already a member of a Nationalist party. Perhaps the Aussie members can inform you about them, their name is One Nation.

Oh, so you just happen to be a "nationalist" (read: Klansmen in a suit) who just has the misfortune of using time tested neonazi symbolism in their nick? My what a strange coincidence indeed.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:23 AM

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Buckle up! Here we go...

Nope, here I go - out to get some dinner. If anything about me pops up I will try to respond later

Joe Average · 10-06-2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88
Perhaps the Aussie members can inform you about them, their name is One Nation.

Please explain.

Yeah, a real mob of geniuses.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:30 AM

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Oh, so you just happen to be a "nationalist" (read: Klansmen in a suit) who just has the misfortune of using time tested neonazi symbolism in their nick? My what a strange coincidence indeed.

Pronunciation: (O'din), [key]
?n. Scand. Myth.
the ruler of the Aesir and god of war, poetry, knowledge, and wisdom; Wotan: the chief god. Also,Othin.

My business partner is also from Norway and for you to relate Norse Mythology to hate and Nazism sickens me. Can we have no culture?

As for 88, do a search if you can manage.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:32 AM

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Please explain.

Yeah, a real mob of geniuses.

Yeah, and Simon Crean or John Howard is any better?

Joe Average · 10-06-2003, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88

Yeah, and Simon Crean or John Howard is any better?

I don't remember saying that. But to be honest I'd prefer either one of them to the redneck narrow-minded bigots of One Nation.

I love multi-culturalism. Fucking love it.

Tell me Odin, how much overseas travel have you done?

Adorno · 10-06-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88

Pronunciation: (O'din), [key]
?n. Scand. Myth.
the ruler of the Aesir and god of war, poetry, knowledge, and wisdom; Wotan: the chief god. Also,Othin.

My business partner is also from Norway and for you to relate Norse Mythology to hate and Nazism sickens me. Can we have no culture?

As for 88, do a search if you can manage.

yeah yeah, spare me.

It is me who connects Norse mythology to the white power movement uh?

Again, I just find it more than a little mildly ironic that out of all the other possible expressions of European cultural traditions you could have chosen, you latch onto the one traditionally embraced by nationalists and neonazis around the globe. And 88. Cmon now. 5 years ago you could get away with wearing 88 gear and using it in nicks and nobody would be the wiser, not anymore.

It sickens you? What sickens me is you dont have the balls to stand up and yell white power.

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:39 AM

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I don't remember saying that. But to be honest I'd prefer either of them to the redneck narrow-minded bigots of One Nation.

I am going to get dinner.

Joe Average · 10-06-2003, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88

I am going to get dinner.

I'll think of you as I enjoy my multi-cultural leftover Indian curry and give thanks to diversity.

DarkJedi · 10-06-2003, 01:44 AM

is it racist to point out that in USA 90% of crimes are commited by blacks ?

Odin88 · 10-06-2003, 01:46 AM

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It is me who connects Norse mythology to the white power movement uh?

It is Norse mythology which has been abused on some occasions up through history, but this obviously doesn't allow anyone to make bona fide claims of racism or hate.

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Again, I just find it more than a little mildly ironic that out of all the other possible expressions of European cultural traditions you could have chosen, you latch onto the one traditionally embraced by nationalists and neonazis around the globe.

My business partner is from Norway, and Odin is one of the most powerful figures in Norse Mythology.

http://www.ancient-mythology.com/norse/odin.php

Odin is the chef god of Germanic mythology. Son of Bor and Bestla, Odin was risen to favor mostly by the Vikings, and became known as the supreme god in the eighth and ninth centuries. The Vikings admired Odin's love for the battle, as he was known as the "father of the slain". Odin's prominence demonstrates the importance of warfare to Germanic traditions.

Odin loved to cause conflicts and shifts of power. He once aided Harald, a Danish King, instructing him in tactics and granting him victories for years. In the king's final battle, however, Odin took the place of Harald's charioteer and drove the king to his demise.

Although Odin embodied deceit, violence and war, he also embodied many admirable qualities. He was the most knowledgeable god, with a great love for wisdom. He would willingly sacrifice himself for it.

With the threat of Ragnarok, the death of all gods, Odin built the Valhalla, a great hall of the "heroic dead". Odin would then gather heroes and warriors who were slain in battle, and bring them to Valhalla so they would fight alongside the gods on the Vigrid plain, in an attempt to strengthen and save the gods in the final battle against the frost giants at the time of Ragnarok.

Odin was killed by a wolf, Fenrir, a monstrous offspring of the fire god Loki and the frost giantess Angrboda.

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It sickens you? What sickens me is you dont have the balls to stand up and yell white power.

White Power is a term I don't use, though depending on the context I may support it. If by White Power you mean European control over non-Whites, I do not support it. However, if by White Power you mean the Nationalism of European people within their own lands, and the right to have control over them, I would.

Anyone else hungry...

<IMX> · 10-06-2003, 02:22 AM

Scholarly work regarding the post-reconstruction status of blacks in the South is accessible, quick and easy to read. Quite a few people, particularily Americans, have modern political agendas to promote in the popular media--both black and white.

As a result, people hold on to what it is they "THINK" they "KNOW," and what the popular media, generally decades behind scholars, tells them in tasty sound bites fit for masses to BELIEVE about slavery in the United States:
the supposed physical brutality (counter productive),
the organization (loose), participants (anyone who could make $$$ at it black/white/jew/asian/religious/aethist/ ) and most importantly the economic benefits (huge) etc. etc. etc.

The use of skin-color as culture is quite amusing. Nice that things are so monolithic. Makes it easy digestion for the hungry masses.

Like all things, forget what you think you know.

(edit added)
For those who won't read the stuff...
If you want to look at quite a few of the modern problems:
1.) Reconstruction after the Civil War, and specifically the "Battle of the Lost Cause," in the South
that explain the current political status of blacks versus other ethnic groups. Trace and study the protection given to black citizens in the U.S. from 1890s to 1960s. Pretty aybsimal...more effect after slavery than the pyschological impact slavery itself.

So, forget that "all people were enslaved bullshit."

10-05-2003, 11:57 PM	#1
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	heres a lil late night debate \| african americans ok jus got in a debate w/ someone i know online... the african american culture started with slavery, that was the basis of their culture, obviously a pretty negative thing. now what i believe, is that due to african americans being enslaved initially, the current african american society is at such a high crime rate and over all high negative statistics mainly because of their culture's history.. now he disagrees... and believes that if for example jewish people, or any other race, were enslaved like that (including whites), that that same race in presant day would be fine and would have been able to bounce back easily and understand that whatever happened in the past, is over. i disagree with that, i think if a culture like the african american's have been exposed to the media, and history of their initial culture, for years on end, that of course it'll affect their culture in a negative way, providing reason for their current cultural status. what do you guys think?? is it because of their past, or is it because african american's are genetically different.

10-06-2003, 12:45 AM	#10
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	You retards cannot compare penal slavery from Europe to American style slavery. We tried to enslave the natives first. It failed miserably as they had an easy time escaping and blending in with the rest of the natives. We attempted to use the Irish as slaves, but when one of them would escape they would blend into the population thus making it difficult to control them. We even tried indentured servitude of the British but the crown put the smackdown on the practice. ****s on the other hand dont blend in. They were easy to control. As to why they are fucked up now that is a mere numbers game. Nigs dont commit more crime than whites. The UCR reports of type 1 and type 2 index crimes only reflect arrest data in most cases and the vast majority of rural areas (white) do not report accurately if even at all. One only need to look at the track record of the penal harm movement over the last 20 years to see the effects and the false assumptions it leads to. Massive self report studies show very little difference in frequency in type 1 and type 2 index crimes between blacks and whites. Basically, **s get arrested more and it skews the data set and leads to the false assumption that **s commit more crime. Statistics based on arrest data are flawed beyond comprehension. And that is not even touching on the effects of the deindustrialization of many urban centers and the subsequent effects of white flight. Basically you set the ***s free and then when they moved into your cities you haul ass taking industry with you. Leaving horridly poor and uneducated post slavery communities to defend for themselves. But hey, that was like 2 generations ago, get over it you lazy fuckers. Last edited by Adorno; 10-06-2003 at 12:51 AM..*

10-06-2003, 12:51 AM	#12
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10-06-2003, 12:00 AM	#2
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	slavery didn't start 400 years ago.....it started out 1000's of years ago yet all those different cultures found a way to succeed and fail. rich or poor doesn't matter on skin color......it matters on the individuals motivation in life

10-06-2003, 12:03 AM	#5
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	genetically different. Africans in general are just not a very engineering people. Its not like most of our white ancenstor immigrants came here to streets paved with gold. They worked several hours a day in unsafe factories where guys died like crazy. No unions, no child labor laws. Many companies put signs on their business like "no irish hired". I think the way to explain racism in this country is its a money making industry. Also blacks have been used as a pawn by the left. The jewish media have crafted a nice fairy tale in the media over the years on how blacks have the market cornerd on racism, oppression, suffering, etc. An excellent hollywood production. Most whites cant even look black people in the face because we have been so conditioned to feeling guilty about being white and have a fear of being called a racist.

10-06-2003, 12:25 AM	#8
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	there's a saying that goes "If you step in shit, you're the one that has to wipe it off" so for all those people that got time to complain about how hard their life is they should stfu and go get a job! god bless america and fuck affirmative action

10-06-2003, 12:55 AM	#14
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	i am currently dating Chim Chim

10-06-2003, 12:58 AM	#16
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	Fucking 88, why dont you just tack 14 Words on the end as well.

10-06-2003, 01:11 AM	#20
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	i'm warming up my fried chicken and popcorn for this one

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10-06-2003, 01:44 AM	#34
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	is it racist to point out that in USA 90% of crimes are commited by blacks ?

10-06-2003, 02:22 AM	#36
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	Scholarly work regarding the post-reconstruction status of blacks in the South is accessible, quick and easy to read. Quite a few people, particularily Americans, have modern political agendas to promote in the popular media--both black and white. As a result, people hold on to what it is they "THINK" they "KNOW," and what the popular media, generally decades behind scholars, tells them in tasty sound bites fit for masses to BELIEVE about slavery in the United States: the supposed physical brutality (counter productive), the organization (loose), participants (anyone who could make $$$ at it black/white/jew/asian/religious/aethist/ ) and most importantly the economic benefits (huge) etc. etc. etc. The use of skin-color as culture is quite amusing. Nice that things are so monolithic. Makes it easy digestion for the hungry masses. Like all things, forget what you think you know. (edit added) For those who won't read the stuff... If you want to look at quite a few of the modern problems: 1.) Reconstruction after the Civil War, and specifically the "Battle of the Lost Cause," in the South that explain the current political status of blacks versus other ethnic groups. Trace and study the protection given to black citizens in the U.S. from 1890s to 1960s. Pretty aybsimal...more effect after slavery than the pyschological impact slavery itself. So, forget that "all people were enslaved bullshit." __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$ Last edited by <IMX>; 10-06-2003 at 02:35 AM..