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KRL · 10-03-2003, 04:15 PM

How soon til they want to put these in our homes too?

FAA Testing Video Cameras Inside Planes

NEW ORLEANS - The federal government is evaluating technology that would put video cameras on commercial flights so people on the ground could monitor pilots and passengers and get an early warning of hijackings or other trouble on board.

The Boeing Co. demonstrated a satellite system to Federal Aviation Administration officials in two test flights early this year, showing how images could be sent from a plane to the ground, said John Loynes, an FAA program manager in Washington. A Boeing 737, equipped with seven cameras, transmitted images of the cockpit and cabin.

Pilots have fiercely opposed efforts to put cameras in cockpits as an infringement of their authority. Passenger advocates have supported cameras as a way to prevent terrorist acts.

FAA officials stressed that the tests, conducted in January and February, were preliminary and said the agency's focus is purely on whether the technology would affect air safety. There will be further tests and other agencies could decide whether or how to use the technology, said Greg Martin, FAA chief spokesman.

"Our role is exclusively to evaluate the technology. The FAA is not interested in monitoring pilots," he said.

About 20 federal and Boeing workers, most of them engineers, were on board the round-trip flights from Seattle. Federal air marshals also tested Boeing technology that allows the use of hand-held devices to transmit video and to speak with and send data from the air to workers on the ground, Loynes said.

One camera showed the pilots from behind, one was in first class and the others showed the rest of the passenger area. Workers on the ground, at Boeing offices in Seattle and in McLean, Va., could choose which camera view to look at by touching a computer screen, said Joseph J. Tedino, a Boeing spokesman.

Loynes described the tests as successful, with a few glitches in which video images were briefly garbled.

"There were no insurmountable problems," he said.

The tests were part of Boeing's 2002 contract with the FAA to test various security technologies.

Boeing officials discussed the technology at a recent security conference in New Orleans. The city of Denver uses a similar video system to monitor part of its public transit system.

For more than a decade, the FAA has considered various plans to put video cameras in airplanes. In 2000, National Transportation Safety Board officials pushed a plan for cockpit cameras, saying they aid air crash investigators.

The proposal was dropped after stiff opposition from pilots, who were concerned that cameras could lead to a dilution of pilots' control over decisions made during flights. Pilots said workers on the ground could misinterpret video images and give orders based on incomplete information.

But advocates for air passengers say cameras would make air travel safer by preventing terrorism and hijackings.

David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said cameras would allow officials to assess the seriousness of a disturbance in the cabin. Officials on the ground could then talk about the problem with the flight crew members, who could learn about the situation without having to leave the cockpit.

"In the old days, one of the flight crew could come out and check things out, but they can't do that anymore," Stempler said. "These days, we want to keep the cockpit impenetrable to terrorists or hijackers."

Joshua · 10-03-2003, 04:17 PM

It would be unconstitutional to be put into your homes, would it not?

Scootermuze · 10-03-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
How soon til they want to put these in our homes too?

FAA Testing Video Cameras Inside Planes

NEW ORLEANS - The federal government is evaluating technology that would put video cameras on commercial flights so people on the ground could monitor pilots and passengers and get an early warning of hijackings or other trouble on board.

Well oh gee!!..

So they get to watch hijackers do their deed...

What in the fuck do they think a few vid cams are gonna do..

Oh.. I see... Once the hijackers know they're being recored, it'll be, "Oh damn.. they caught me.. I give up"

Just another useless taxpayer payed joke to justify some senator's nephew's job...

EZRhino · 10-03-2003, 04:33 PM

Not a good idea

directfiesta · 10-03-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze

Well oh gee!!..

So they get to watch hijackers do their deed...

What in the fuck do they think a few vid cams are gonna do..

Oh.. I see... Once the hijackers know they're being recored, it'll be, "Oh damn.. they caught me.. I give up"

Just another useless taxpayer payed joke to justify some senator's nephew's job...

For new Fox TV reality show ....

The point is that you will be watched, inventoried, classified for future use. You flew with your secretary that fell asleep on your sloulder: don't run for governor.

Patriot Act # 1,#2, # 3, #4 improved, #5 superpower will take care of the use of those images....

Maybe the administration will close your business when they see your next passenger is a youg kid...

They obviously won't be doing anything if a highjacking happens

Scootermuze · 10-03-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

For new Fox TV reality show ....

The point is that you will be watched, inventoried, classified for future use. You flew with your secretary that fell asleep on your sloulder: don't run for governor.

Patriot Act # 1,#2, # 3, #4 improved, #5 superpower will take care of the use of those images....

Maybe the administration will close your business when they see your next passenger is a youg kid...

They obviously won't be doing anything if a highjacking happens

Well I guess I didn't take those things into account..

Kinda like, "While we were searching for terrorists we just happened across this totally unrelated issue that the Partiot Act doesn't cover, but.. what the hey... If Ken Star can use illegally obtained taped phone conversations as evidence, I guess we can use this law to do this"

directfiesta · 10-03-2003, 05:55 PM

A bit like Hoover when he was head of the FBI ...

Kept files on all his ennemies ... and all his friends ( who knows, they could be usefull...).

If we have to suffer the invasion of cameras, at least they could put them in the airports to PREVENT maybe a disaster.

Anybody think it would have help to have cameras on the 2 WTC planes??? aside than Fox and CNN ( mucho dinero...)

CamChicks · 10-03-2003, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
How soon til they want to put these in our homes too?

OH NO!

I heard from a friend of a friend, whos uncle is in the FBI, about an evil government plot to distribute low-priced digital cameras in stores all across the country.. bundled with automatically-installing webcasting software!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-03-2003, 07:16 PM

Will the CAM's be PPV or standard rate based on members and useage?

KRL · 10-03-2003, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

For new Fox TV reality show ....

The point is that you will be watched, inventoried, classified for future use. You flew with your secretary that fell asleep on your sloulder: don't run for governor.

Patriot Act # 1,#2, # 3, #4 improved, #5 superpower will take care of the use of those images....

Maybe the administration will close your business when they see your next passenger is a youg kid...

They obviously won't be doing anything if a highjacking happens

It will definitely put an end to the "mile high" club and people having affairs will have to be totally discreet from now on.

I'm sure they'll be running everyone's faces into face recognitition database software as well for "wanted" checking and future reference.

Who wants to fly and know some government dweeb could be zooming in on your wife's boob's and doing screen caps or making his own little movie collection during the whole trip?

eroswebmaster · 10-03-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
How soon til they want to put these in our homes too?

While this is something I may not like or agree with you don't have to take this to such extremes.

Your home is one thing...but travelling in federally regulated air space on a federally regulated airplane that is being piloted by a federally regulated air pilot is a whole other ballgame.

This is NOT a violation of your civil rights, this is NOT the camel getting it's nose in the tent, you can relax now.

sexxxychat69 · 10-03-2003, 09:10 PM

Yeah, I heard about this. They are called 360webcams.com just imported from Japan. Kinda scary huh ?

KRL · 10-03-2003, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

While this is something I may not like or agree with you don't have to take this to such extremes.

Your home is one thing...but travelling in federally regulated air space on a federally regulated airplane that is being piloted by a federally regulated air pilot is a whole other ballgame.

This is NOT a violation of your civil rights, this is NOT the camel getting it's nose in the tent, you can relax now.

Well maybe its time to start "unregulating" our government. Christ you can't take a shit without them in your face.

eroswebmaster · 10-03-2003, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

Well maybe its time to start "unregulating" our government. Christ you can't take a shit without them in your face.

How is this going to affect you negatively?

You go into a bank they've got cameras, you go into a post office, they have cameras, you go into a casino and they are everywhere.

But we shouldn't have cameras on a plane that is 1,000's of feet in the air and we cannot be 100% certain on what has taken place during an emergency?

Ever consider what something like 9/11 happene again?
I doubt it will, but they are preparing for it.
They are already running drills on shooting large aircraft down etc.

Now like I said what if one day you lose communication with an airplane, and need to know what is going on inside it. This would be the most effective way of checking without having to take out hundreds of people because of some bad wiring.

10-03-2003, 04:15 PM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	US Government Testing Live Video Surveillance Cams On Commercial Airlines How soon til they want to put these in our homes too? FAA Testing Video Cameras Inside Planes NEW ORLEANS - The federal government is evaluating technology that would put video cameras on commercial flights so people on the ground could monitor pilots and passengers and get an early warning of hijackings or other trouble on board. The Boeing Co. demonstrated a satellite system to Federal Aviation Administration officials in two test flights early this year, showing how images could be sent from a plane to the ground, said John Loynes, an FAA program manager in Washington. A Boeing 737, equipped with seven cameras, transmitted images of the cockpit and cabin. Pilots have fiercely opposed efforts to put cameras in cockpits as an infringement of their authority. Passenger advocates have supported cameras as a way to prevent terrorist acts. FAA officials stressed that the tests, conducted in January and February, were preliminary and said the agency's focus is purely on whether the technology would affect air safety. There will be further tests and other agencies could decide whether or how to use the technology, said Greg Martin, FAA chief spokesman. "Our role is exclusively to evaluate the technology. The FAA is not interested in monitoring pilots," he said. About 20 federal and Boeing workers, most of them engineers, were on board the round-trip flights from Seattle. Federal air marshals also tested Boeing technology that allows the use of hand-held devices to transmit video and to speak with and send data from the air to workers on the ground, Loynes said. One camera showed the pilots from behind, one was in first class and the others showed the rest of the passenger area. Workers on the ground, at Boeing offices in Seattle and in McLean, Va., could choose which camera view to look at by touching a computer screen, said Joseph J. Tedino, a Boeing spokesman. Loynes described the tests as successful, with a few glitches in which video images were briefly garbled. "There were no insurmountable problems," he said. The tests were part of Boeing's 2002 contract with the FAA to test various security technologies. Boeing officials discussed the technology at a recent security conference in New Orleans. The city of Denver uses a similar video system to monitor part of its public transit system. For more than a decade, the FAA has considered various plans to put video cameras in airplanes. In 2000, National Transportation Safety Board officials pushed a plan for cockpit cameras, saying they aid air crash investigators. The proposal was dropped after stiff opposition from pilots, who were concerned that cameras could lead to a dilution of pilots' control over decisions made during flights. Pilots said workers on the ground could misinterpret video images and give orders based on incomplete information. But advocates for air passengers say cameras would make air travel safer by preventing terrorism and hijackings. David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said cameras would allow officials to assess the seriousness of a disturbance in the cabin. Officials on the ground could then talk about the problem with the flight crew members, who could learn about the situation without having to leave the cockpit. "In the old days, one of the flight crew could come out and check things out, but they can't do that anymore," Stempler said. "These days, we want to keep the cockpit impenetrable to terrorists or hijackers." __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

10-03-2003, 05:55 PM	#7
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,679	A bit like Hoover when he was head of the FBI ... Kept files on all his ennemies ... and all his friends ( who knows, they could be usefull...). If we have to suffer the invasion of cameras, at least they could put them in the airports to PREVENT maybe a disaster. Anybody think it would have help to have cameras on the 2 WTC planes??? aside than Fox and CNN ( mucho dinero...) __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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sexxxychat69 I will make you galleries for a reciprocal link Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 394	Yeah, I heard about this. They are called 360webcams.com just imported from Japan. Kinda scary huh ?