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Aly-Python · 10-02-2003, 11:56 AM

For Immediate Release
Contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected]

DOES REPORTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY REALLY MAKE
A DIFFERENCE?

Los Angeles ? (October 2, 2003)
Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. Its primary function is to provide a hotline for people to report suspect child pornography sites
(http://www.asacp.org/reportsite.html).

ASACP reviews the reports and sends validated child pornography sites to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Child, and now to several hotlines in Europe.

Since government investigations can take a long time, people occasionally ask, ?does reporting child pornography to ASACP really make a difference or are the reports just going into a black
hole?? Sometimes it feels like this, even for the staff at ASACP.

?For years, ASACP sent reports of validated child pornography sites on terra.es, a free hosted ISP located in Spain, to government agencies and it appeared that nothing was being done. However, when I attended the INHOPE conference in Luxembourg last month, I met Ana Luisa Rotta, the executive of PROTEGELES.com, the Spanish hotline and a member of INHOPE.org. I learned that Ana Luisa had been working directly with TERRA-Spain and with concrete results,? said Joan Irvine, executive director - ASACP.

PROTEGELES is one of the hotlines credited with providing leads that helped with the recent breakup of a large child pornography
ring in Europe.

Ms. Rotta shared the following information with ASACP:

During 2002, PROTEGELES worked together with TERRA
Networks to address the issues concerning the abundance of child pornography content on their servers. As a result, TERRA:

1. Revised the contents of all its personal pages in order to eliminate and report those with illegal content.
2. Is no longer a free site - a symbolic amount of money and a valid email address is required in order to receive the password that will allow a webmaster to create the page.
3. Develop new system that measures the bandwidth in order to
detect pages with an excessive amount of viewed images.
4. Does not permit entrance from foreign proxies.
5. Created an internal "hotline" which is linked to PROTEGELES who processes the reports and sends validated child pornography to law enforcement agencies.
6. Hired additional personnel and holds weekly meetings with the
company's directors.

So the next time people wonder if it is worth their time to report
suspect child pornography, ASACP wants to assure everyone:

. There is no black hole
. It is the reports from the public that alert government agencies, ASACP and other hotlines about child pornography.

The PROTEGELES Association, is a not-for-profit organization
founded by the Spanish filtering company OPTENET and the
Spanish NGO Acción Contra la Pornografía Infantil ? ACPI.

Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization
helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography.

If you are interested in learning more about ASACP or helping in
the fight against child pornography, please view the ASACP site
(www.asacp.org) or email [email protected].

For further information, contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected].

Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP
www.asacp.org
[email protected]

GrimShawn · 10-02-2003, 11:58 AM

PattyeCake* · 10-02-2003, 12:00 PM

Thanks for posting that Aly ;)

grogan · 10-02-2003, 12:02 PM

I have cancer.

okny · 10-02-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grogan
I have cancer.

Your an idiot.

MichaelP · 10-02-2003, 12:12 PM

thanks for posting Aly.

unfotunatelly, according to joan, sometimes, even if the content is purely unacceptable, it doesn't fall under "illegal content" category and ASACP can't do anything, this is sad... But 1 CP site closed is already a good thing IMHO.

I don't take chance, even if the site seams borderline cause the girlies are "just nude" I report the site to ASACP...

Keep up the good work Joan !

brand0n · 10-02-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grogan
I have cancer.

bullshit

Bishop · 10-02-2003, 12:18 PM

Good information.. . thanks Aly.

sherie · 10-02-2003, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grogan
I have cancer.

You are a cancer!!

Great post Aly!

Greg B · 10-02-2003, 12:54 PM

Think of the alternative of NOT reporting it:

A kid getting abused.

So my advice: REPORT IT!

Theo · 10-02-2003, 12:59 PM

it does make a difference,although i havent seen such site for long time,in the past i had reported some and i received a notification that the sites were reported to the proper authorities. Each time,few days later the sites were gone :-)

Phoenix66 · 10-02-2003, 12:59 PM

Reporting to ASACP doesn't always help. Often they say that content is not illegal, when it obviously about 12 y.o. girls. I have nothing against art photography, but it's pretty obvious when the site is oriented towads pedophiles, even if it's made like an "art photography" site. Especially when it's being promoted on lolita/cp bbs and top sites.

In those cases it's often more effective to write to VISA/MASTERCARD directly. Those sites use cc billings or their own merchant accounts anyway. And if you show to VISA/MASTERCARD that the sites are promoted on lolita/cp resources even if they have legal (but questionable) content, the billing will be busted or the merchant will be closed.

TinaBallina · 10-02-2003, 01:00 PM

make that 10 thumbs up to my aly........xo

Aly-Python · 10-02-2003, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VSBallina

make that 10 thumbs up to my aly........xo

aaaww... Thanks, love. I'll just pass those right along to ASACP

just a punk · 10-02-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix66
In those cases it's often more effective to write to VISA/MASTERCARD directly. Those sites use cc billings or their own merchant accounts anyway. And if you show to VISA/MASTERCARD that the sites are promoted on lolita/cp resources even if they have legal (but questionable) content, the billing will be busted or the merchant will be closed.

Totally agree. Sometimes it's better to report cp sites directly to VISA/MC because these guys act immediately! About a week ago some scum has posted lots of cp-related links to my message board (it is dedicated to older women). I grouped all those links when sent them to VISA's abuse department. After that I stopped getting the mentioned illegal posts on my message board. So, seems this way is working!

Scott McD · 10-02-2003, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grogan
I have cancer.

Fuck off and die...

Scootermuze · 10-02-2003, 03:41 PM

Hearing that a site was shut down does nothing for me..
Hearing about the site owner's arrest is what works..

These guys have back up hosts and are ready to re-open within hours after their site is killed.. They probably have a mailing list of their members to notify them of the new site as soon as it opens.
So merely shutting down sites doesn't accomplish much if there is no follow through..

Does it help to report it? Maybe to a degree, but the ones that are being arrested are the ones that the authorities are stinging on their own and accumulating information over months of investigation.

baddog · 10-02-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grogan
I have cancer.

so?

Kimmykim · 10-02-2003, 05:37 PM

Anyone who's ever dealt with this on a site by site basis, either in hosting or in billing, understands the difference between legal and morally or socially acceptable.

The majority of sites that are reported have nothing patently illegal on them, and are not the ones that are going to be prominently investigated and prosecuted if possible.

It's a thankless, frustrating task at best, and one that I certainly commend Joan and crew for taking on.

Aly-Python · 10-02-2003, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scootermuze
Hearing that a site was shut down does nothing for me..
Hearing about the site owner's arrest is what works..

These guys have back up hosts and are ready to re-open within hours after their site is killed.. They probably have a mailing list of their members to notify them of the new site as soon as it opens.
So merely shutting down sites doesn't accomplish much if there is no follow through..

Does it help to report it? Maybe to a degree, but the ones that are being arrested are the ones that the authorities are stinging on their own and accumulating information over months of investigation.

I agree... ASACP has actually been involved with getting people arrested. And here's one of the BIG problems that can occur.... On a recent case, the bust was jeopardized by someone posting the CP site to a webmaster discussion board... The authorities were then very concerned that the perpetrator would disappear as a result. They didn't, luckily, and as far as I know, they were indeed busted. It DOES happen.

millionaire · 10-02-2003, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aly-Python
For Immediate Release
Contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected]

DOES REPORTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY REALLY MAKE
A DIFFERENCE?

Los Angeles ? (October 2, 2003)
Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. Its primary function is to provide a hotline for people to report suspect child pornography sites
(http://www.asacp.org/reportsite.html).

ASACP reviews the reports and sends validated child pornography sites to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Child, and now to several hotlines in Europe.

Since government investigations can take a long time, people occasionally ask, ?does reporting child pornography to ASACP really make a difference or are the reports just going into a black
hole?? Sometimes it feels like this, even for the staff at ASACP.

?For years, ASACP sent reports of validated child pornography sites on terra.es, a free hosted ISP located in Spain, to government agencies and it appeared that nothing was being done. However, when I attended the INHOPE conference in Luxembourg last month, I met Ana Luisa Rotta, the executive of PROTEGELES.com, the Spanish hotline and a member of INHOPE.org. I learned that Ana Luisa had been working directly with TERRA-Spain and with concrete results,? said Joan Irvine, executive director - ASACP.

PROTEGELES is one of the hotlines credited with providing leads that helped with the recent breakup of a large child pornography
ring in Europe.

Ms. Rotta shared the following information with ASACP:

During 2002, PROTEGELES worked together with TERRA
Networks to address the issues concerning the abundance of child pornography content on their servers. As a result, TERRA:

1. Revised the contents of all its personal pages in order to eliminate and report those with illegal content.
2. Is no longer a free site - a symbolic amount of money and a valid email address is required in order to receive the password that will allow a webmaster to create the page.
3. Develop new system that measures the bandwidth in order to
detect pages with an excessive amount of viewed images.
4. Does not permit entrance from foreign proxies.
5. Created an internal "hotline" which is linked to PROTEGELES who processes the reports and sends validated child pornography to law enforcement agencies.
6. Hired additional personnel and holds weekly meetings with the
company's directors.

So the next time people wonder if it is worth their time to report
suspect child pornography, ASACP wants to assure everyone:

. There is no black hole
. It is the reports from the public that alert government agencies, ASACP and other hotlines about child pornography.

The PROTEGELES Association, is a not-for-profit organization
founded by the Spanish filtering company OPTENET and the
Spanish NGO Acción Contra la Pornografía Infantil ? ACPI.

Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization
helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography.

If you are interested in learning more about ASACP or helping in
the fight against child pornography, please view the ASACP site
(www.asacp.org) or email [email protected].

For further information, contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected].

Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP
www.asacp.org
[email protected]

gornyhuy · 10-02-2003, 06:35 PM

Can't some of the l33t h4x0rs get together a secret vigilante group that takes these guys on one site at a time and gets them shut down with their hosts and/or just hack/crack/attacks the site till it dies?

We've had amazing results with password sites using this technique.... Come on guys!

just a punk · 10-03-2003, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Can't some of the l33t h4x0rs get together a secret vigilante group that takes these guys on one site at a time and gets them shut down with their hosts and/or just hack/crack/attacks the site till it dies? We've had amazing results with password sites using this technique.... Come on guys!

This is a very common mistake. You are suggesting fighting using illegal methods. This is not right. You must use all possible legal ways such as VISA/MC abuse department, ASACP, FBI etc. But you can't fight against them using some hacker methods. In such a case you will be also considered as an offender. Don't try to oppose a crime against the crime. This is a totally wrong way! The lynch law will work in criminal world only.

10-02-2003, 11:56 AM	#1
Aly-Python Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Hollywood Posts: 1,439	Reporting CP... Does it make a difference? For Immediate Release Contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected] DOES REPORTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? Los Angeles ? (October 2, 2003) Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. Its primary function is to provide a hotline for people to report suspect child pornography sites (http://www.asacp.org/reportsite.html). ASACP reviews the reports and sends validated child pornography sites to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Child, and now to several hotlines in Europe. Since government investigations can take a long time, people occasionally ask, ?does reporting child pornography to ASACP really make a difference or are the reports just going into a black hole?? Sometimes it feels like this, even for the staff at ASACP. ?For years, ASACP sent reports of validated child pornography sites on terra.es, a free hosted ISP located in Spain, to government agencies and it appeared that nothing was being done. However, when I attended the INHOPE conference in Luxembourg last month, I met Ana Luisa Rotta, the executive of PROTEGELES.com, the Spanish hotline and a member of INHOPE.org. I learned that Ana Luisa had been working directly with TERRA-Spain and with concrete results,? said Joan Irvine, executive director - ASACP. PROTEGELES is one of the hotlines credited with providing leads that helped with the recent breakup of a large child pornography ring in Europe. Ms. Rotta shared the following information with ASACP: During 2002, PROTEGELES worked together with TERRA Networks to address the issues concerning the abundance of child pornography content on their servers. As a result, TERRA: 1. Revised the contents of all its personal pages in order to eliminate and report those with illegal content. 2. Is no longer a free site - a symbolic amount of money and a valid email address is required in order to receive the password that will allow a webmaster to create the page. 3. Develop new system that measures the bandwidth in order to detect pages with an excessive amount of viewed images. 4. Does not permit entrance from foreign proxies. 5. Created an internal "hotline" which is linked to PROTEGELES who processes the reports and sends validated child pornography to law enforcement agencies. 6. Hired additional personnel and holds weekly meetings with the company's directors. So the next time people wonder if it is worth their time to report suspect child pornography, ASACP wants to assure everyone: . There is no black hole . It is the reports from the public that alert government agencies, ASACP and other hotlines about child pornography. The PROTEGELES Association, is a not-for-profit organization founded by the Spanish filtering company OPTENET and the Spanish NGO Acción Contra la Pornografía Infantil ? ACPI. Adult Sites Against Child Pornography (ASACP) is the organization helping the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. If you are interested in learning more about ASACP or helping in the fight against child pornography, please view the ASACP site (www.asacp.org) or email [email protected]. For further information, contact: Joan Irvine, [email protected]. Joan Irvine Executive Director ASACP www.asacp.org [email protected] __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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Phoenix66 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 823	Reporting to ASACP doesn't always help. Often they say that content is not illegal, when it obviously about 12 y.o. girls. I have nothing against art photography, but it's pretty obvious when the site is oriented towads pedophiles, even if it's made like an "art photography" site. Especially when it's being promoted on lolita/cp bbs and top sites. In those cases it's often more effective to write to VISA/MASTERCARD directly. Those sites use cc billings or their own merchant accounts anyway. And if you show to VISA/MASTERCARD that the sites are promoted on lolita/cp resources even if they have legal (but questionable) content, the billing will be busted or the merchant will be closed. __________________ Adult Niche Traffic Exchange

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MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	thanks for posting Aly. unfotunatelly, according to joan, sometimes, even if the content is purely unacceptable, it doesn't fall under "illegal content" category and ASACP can't do anything, this is sad... But 1 CP site closed is already a good thing IMHO. I don't take chance, even if the site seams borderline cause the girlies are "just nude" I report the site to ASACP... Keep up the good work Joan !

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Think of the alternative of NOT reporting it: A kid getting abused. So my advice: REPORT IT!

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	it does make a difference,although i havent seen such site for long time,in the past i had reported some and i received a notification that the sites were reported to the proper authorities. Each time,few days later the sites were gone :-)

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Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Hearing that a site was shut down does nothing for me.. Hearing about the site owner's arrest is what works.. These guys have back up hosts and are ready to re-open within hours after their site is killed.. They probably have a mailing list of their members to notify them of the new site as soon as it opens. So merely shutting down sites doesn't accomplish much if there is no follow through.. Does it help to report it? Maybe to a degree, but the ones that are being arrested are the ones that the authorities are stinging on their own and accumulating information over months of investigation.

10-02-2003, 05:37 PM	#19
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Anyone who's ever dealt with this on a site by site basis, either in hosting or in billing, understands the difference between legal and morally or socially acceptable. The majority of sites that are reported have nothing patently illegal on them, and are not the ones that are going to be prominently investigated and prosecuted if possible. It's a thankless, frustrating task at best, and one that I certainly commend Joan and crew for taking on.