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Old 10-02-2003, 09:24 AM   #1
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What kind of sites convert best with SE Traffic?

What I found out is that Reality sites like nastydollars etc. convert realy great with tgp traffic.

But what converts best with SE traffic?

The normal paysites ?

Or splash pages with several categories on it ?

Or E-mail collector sites ?

Does anyone know ? My latest results with Reality sites and SE traffic was not great.

Thanks for your opinions.
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:25 AM   #2
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Whatever site best matches what the surfer was looking for?
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:27 AM   #3
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I'm still targeting the traffic. But all hits lead to the Reality Tours. For example cumshot pics lead to cum shot reality sites etc.

Current conversion ratio is 1:1300 :-(
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I'm still targeting the traffic. But all hits lead to the Reality Tours. For example cumshot pics lead to cum shot reality sites etc.

Current conversion ratio is 1:1300 :-(
You need some work
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whatever the surfer types in the search engine and finds will convert...It doesn't matter...If he wants something specific and sees what he wants, it's likely he'll signup...

I remember years ago when I was a secretary and not doing porn, I would use the search engines to DEATH to find porn....Only reason I don't do it now is because I know who everybody is...the internet newbie probably still uses them...
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I'm still targeting the traffic. But all hits lead to the Reality Tours. For example cumshot pics lead to cum shot reality sites etc.

Current conversion ratio is 1:1300 :-(
there's no way that should happen....You shouldn't be getting any worse than 1:500 on shitty tgp traffic..IF you are, switch..
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...but 1:1300 is not great, or?
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1:1300 on SE traffic?

you must be doing something wrong
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I've go to say that Our sites have done remarkably well with SE and TGP traffic... Hit me up On ICQ and I can show you some great ways to convert that traffic...

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What is a "normal" conversion ratio with SE traffic ?
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...but 1:1300 is not great, or?
No way, not great at all. SE traffic should be converting under 1:100

I'd say reality sites aren't a good idea for SE traffic because they give surfers too much without having to pay.. send them to standard paysite tours that tease them more.. you'll do better no doubt.
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there's no normal ratio
every SE and site is different. Processors play more important role than ever as well.
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thanks Ya Adrian,

thanks what I think.

All the top bids on pageseeker lead either to e-mail collector sites or "normal" paysites. Maybe the Reality sites offer to much for free.
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No way, not great at all. SE traffic should be converting under 1:100
maybe in 1999 :-)
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maybe in 1999 :-)
1:100 is common bro.. just gotta filter to target
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Adrian, you think a splash page with category links on it would help? Or is it better to send the traffic straight to the normal paysite after you filtered the traffic.

For example keyword "cumshot pics" lead straight to a cumshot paysite.
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Adrian hit it right on about conversion ratios and reality sites. I typipcally get 1:100 or better with most of the sites I promote and reality sites I feel do give too much away in their video tours.

The most important thing you need to realize is you can pre-qualify a surfer so much than any other means of marketing. You know before hand what they are looking for and based on the title/description, you can even prequalify if they're willing to spend.

I spend a significant amount of time just filtering keywords by niche and it is worth it.

For example, someone searches for "bbw lesbian girls", you know that they're looking for bbw niche with a cross into lesbian girls. Excellent pre-qualification right there alone and you should send to a BBW paysite. If the keyword has free in the front, send it to a free trial or email program but keep with the theme of what the surfer is looking for.

After doing all this, your conversions will definitely improve. If you want to take it one step further, start qualifying your exit traffic and branding your tours with the keywords. 1:100 is no longer a problem to achieve.

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...good point "Weird guy"
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What is a "normal" conversion ratio with SE traffic ?
typical one month stats 100% SE traffic



i think i need to look for a new sponsor
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:57 AM   #21
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Kevin,

what kind of sites do you promote.
1:500 is at least better than 1:1300 :-)

Do you target the traffic ?
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Wired... although I am a bit weird, hell I play with Google all day.
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use silvercash as sponsor and target the surfers as wiredguy said and you'll have below 1:100

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what kind of sites do you promote.
1:500 is at least better than 1:1300 :-)

Do you target the traffic ?
rather not post the sponsor, but contact me
"tomorrow" on icq 1 2 1 2 5 8 3 1 1 and i'll tell you.
3 AM here

here's todays stats...


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Wired... although I am a bit weird, hell I play with Google all day.
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hehehe, sorry for the "Weird".
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May I ask which program you use ?





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Adrian hit it right on about conversion ratios and reality sites. I typipcally get 1:100 or better with most of the sites I promote and reality sites I feel do give too much away in their video tours.

The most important thing you need to realize is you can pre-qualify a surfer so much than any other means of marketing. You know before hand what they are looking for and based on the title/description, you can even prequalify if they're willing to spend.

I spend a significant amount of time just filtering keywords by niche and it is worth it.

For example, someone searches for "bbw lesbian girls", you know that they're looking for bbw niche with a cross into lesbian girls. Excellent pre-qualification right there alone and you should send to a BBW paysite. If the keyword has free in the front, send it to a free trial or email program but keep with the theme of what the surfer is looking for.

After doing all this, your conversions will definitely improve. If you want to take it one step further, start qualifying your exit traffic and branding your tours with the keywords. 1:100 is no longer a problem to achieve.

WG
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Depends on the keywords you are targeting but Busty2.com dose very well with all the big boob traffic.

http://www.busty2.com

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Depends on which niche you want to target. I use a wide range of sites but most of my joins go to TCG and Silvercash for paysites, WEG for free email joins and I also resell some traffic back to PPC search engines. Tell me what you're trying to target and I can try to help you out.

PS: Was that you who emailed me? If so, I'll reply in an hour or so, gotta go to lawyers office now.

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Its not my program, but you are wrong. We signed up with with Busty-Bucks.com under two processors ( CCbill is not available yet ). each processor has a separate tour which affiliates point their traffic to. These tours are specifically designed to make sure webmasters get full credit for their sales. no pop ups no diverted traffic. If you point traffic to the main tour then yep you will lose sales. But if you read the codes properly you will see what i am saying is correct. These guys made me a specific tour to my specs and its doing great we only work with 100% honest companies and over the last 2 plus years we do better with them than any of the so called big programs out their. Take another look at the site and you will see via the codes page that all members hits are targeted to specific tours, based on what processor or site you sign up with.
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cindyx you were fast! i deleted my post in 5seconds when i noticed it by testing a linking code. You should put some text stating how the system works because i know from others that got this impression too. my apologies/
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Depends on which niche you want to target. I use a wide range of sites but most of my joins go to TCG and Silvercash for paysites, WEG for free email joins and I also resell some traffic back to PPC search engines. Tell me what you're trying to target and I can try to help you out.

PS: Was that you who emailed me? If so, I'll reply in an hour or so, gotta go to lawyers office now.

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Yes, I e-mailed you.
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Soul hi

I will talk to Alex the guy at Busty-Bucks and convey your sentiments about additional text. He's a very nice guy and i am sure he will add additional explanation to the site.

Thanks for being diligent with your posts, these guys are really great to deal with no BS and not too big that you have to wait days for a reply. I even had a reply from their photographer in Chile last week about special content i needed, that's what i call caring about your affiliates.
Thanks Soul

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Adrian hit it right on about conversion ratios and reality sites. I typipcally get 1:100 or better with most of the sites I promote and reality sites I feel do give too much away in their video tours.

The most important thing you need to realize is you can pre-qualify a surfer so much than any other means of marketing. You know before hand what they are looking for and based on the title/description, you can even prequalify if they're willing to spend.

I spend a significant amount of time just filtering keywords by niche and it is worth it.

For example, someone searches for "bbw lesbian girls", you know that they're looking for bbw niche with a cross into lesbian girls. Excellent pre-qualification right there alone and you should send to a BBW paysite. If the keyword has free in the front, send it to a free trial or email program but keep with the theme of what the surfer is looking for.

After doing all this, your conversions will definitely improve. If you want to take it one step further, start qualifying your exit traffic and branding your tours with the keywords. 1:100 is no longer a problem to achieve.

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I think you are forgetting one variable in this equation. You first have to find sponsor that will pay 1/100. There may not be any left, whether you have mastered filtering or not.
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Soul hi

I will talk to Alex the guy at Busty-Bucks and convey your sentiments about additional text. He's a very nice guy and i am sure he will add additional explanation to the site.

Thanks for being diligent with your posts, these guys are really great to deal with no BS and not too big that you have to wait days for a reply. I even had a reply from their photographer in Chile last week about special content i needed, that's what i call caring about your affiliates.
Thanks Soul

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I have to agree with you, over the last few months i have had an account with Busty-Bucks.com and the sign-ups have been about 10 to 15% better than with most other programs i have used, but the important thing for me is they do reply to my stupid e-mails every time. Now i look back i realize i asked some very stupid questions but they always answered .

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rather not post the sponsor, but contact me
"tomorrow" on icq 1 2 1 2 5 8 3 1 1 and i'll tell you.
3 AM here

here's todays stats...


hope it stays that way
I think that is great conversion for SE traffic because it pays so much for every signup
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I think you are forgetting one variable in this equation. You first have to find sponsor that will pay 1/100. There may not be any left, whether you have mastered filtering or not.
There's so many sponsors out there that it only takes a matter of time before finding out which ones will convert best or not. I typically look for the bigger, more respectable companies and those that have multiple billers (cascading options) as well as payout on multiple billing methods (dialers and checks for example). But in general, getting 1:100 is not too difficult, at least not from my traffic.

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Wired Guy is 100% right on everything he said. SE traffic by far is the best traffic out there outside of pure type-ins. It just takes a bit of filtering and prequalifying to truly optimize it.

I for one send ALL my traffic to sponsors through FPA pages. This way I can prequalify the traffic beforehand. I don't believe in no console tours. I want to make as much money as I can off of every sale. By sending traffic through an fpa first I'm able to prequalify the surfer before sending him off AND still send to consoled tours and get the higher payout.

It's all about which SE keywords you target and how you filter the traffic once you get it.

Here's my stats just for ONE SITE (not the rest of the program) I was pushing last month...100% quality, targeted non paid for SE traffic.



In case you're wondering the stats above are for Cashquest2. See sig to signup
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Newbies and even midbies should read this. There's a lot of good info here especially WiredGuys posts
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No prob bro. I've read a lot of your posts and you definitely know your shit. If you're in Vegas in January we have to hook up for a drink and shoot the shit.
I've been there last 3 years, so I definitely see myself going back in January, see you there. Cheers

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There's so many sponsors out there that it only takes a matter of time before finding out which ones will convert best or not. I typically look for the bigger, more respectable companies and those that have multiple billers (cascading options) as well as payout on multiple billing methods (dialers and checks for example). But in general, getting 1:100 is not too difficult, at least not from my traffic.

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I am not saying it can't be done, but if you filter to the extreme you cannot send that traffic to just any sponsor. The very act of filtering implies narrowing options. If you can send your same SE traffic to 15 different sponsors, filtering was poorly done.
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I am not saying it can't be done, but if you filter to the extreme you cannot send that traffic to just any sponsor. The very act of filtering implies narrowing options. If you can send your same SE traffic to 15 different sponsors, filtering was poorly done.
That's true. Like say an escort site for example, there's only a handful that come to mind like USAEscorts, HotLocalEscorts and EvilEscorts. There should only be a few options available once you filter it down well enough but if that's the case, usually conversions will be pretty good.

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I am not saying it can't be done, but if you filter to the extreme you cannot send that traffic to just any sponsor. The very act of filtering implies narrowing options. If you can send your same SE traffic to 15 different sponsors, filtering was poorly done.
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That's true. Like say an escort site for example, there's only a handful that come to mind like USAEscorts, HotLocalEscorts and EvilEscorts. There should only be a few options available once you filter it down well enough but if that's the case, usually conversions will be pretty good.

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I agree with both of you. If you overfilter then you can waste traffic. It makes more sense to get 15 sales from 1 escort sponsor than 1 sale each from 15 sponsors (if the ratio is the same with each).

I personally have never tried filtering down to a niche and then offering several sponsors in that niche on the same page. I have the sponsors I like to push and I filter down to the appropriate niche and then there's usually 1 option for said sponsor. This way all my traffic goes to just a few sponsors and I can hit all there bonuses etc..

I basically filter through using FPA pages and consoles. So when traffic comes from a SE they hit an FPA page geared to what they were searching for. There may also be some extra options on the bottom in a table that go to other niche fpa's. And then there's exit consoles that show lots of other niches. And again everything leads to an FPA. My final click to the sponsor is always through a big fpa ad.

So I basically circle my traffic around untill they finally feel like going to a sponsor OR I end up sending them somewhere to trade the traffic out (top list, fake tgp etc..).

When done right filtering is fun. Especially if you can get it down to the point where you're able to get "something" from everyone...whether it's a sale or trading the traffic out for fresh traffic...
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:52 PM   #47
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When done right filtering is fun. Especially if you can get it down to the point where you're able to get "something" from everyone...whether it's a sale or trading the traffic out for fresh traffic...
That's when I become suicidal. Getting borderline cases like "redhead lesbians". Obviously there are no sites that have redheaded lesbian girls so does that guy wanna see a redheaded girl or a lesbian site. This is where I go nuts trying to figure out which niche these borderline cases belong in!

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That's when I become suicidal. Getting borderline cases like "redhead lesbians". Obviously there are no sites that have redheaded lesbian girls so does that guy wanna see a redheaded girl or a lesbian site. This is where I go nuts trying to figure out which niche these borderline cases belong in!

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ROFLMAO

I totally know what you mean, lol
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ROFLMAO

I totally know what you mean, lol


Those are the days I come home and look like I wanna kill someone

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...do you get better results by sending them through a FPA page instead of redirecting them straight to the targeted niche paysite ?




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I agree with both of you. If you overfilter then you can waste traffic. It makes more sense to get 15 sales from 1 escort sponsor than 1 sale each from 15 sponsors (if the ratio is the same with each).

I personally have never tried filtering down to a niche and then offering several sponsors in that niche on the same page. I have the sponsors I like to push and I filter down to the appropriate niche and then there's usually 1 option for said sponsor. This way all my traffic goes to just a few sponsors and I can hit all there bonuses etc..

I basically filter through using FPA pages and consoles. So when traffic comes from a SE they hit an FPA page geared to what they were searching for. There may also be some extra options on the bottom in a table that go to other niche fpa's. And then there's exit consoles that show lots of other niches. And again everything leads to an FPA. My final click to the sponsor is always through a big fpa ad.

So I basically circle my traffic around untill they finally feel like going to a sponsor OR I end up sending them somewhere to trade the traffic out (top list, fake tgp etc..).

When done right filtering is fun. Especially if you can get it down to the point where you're able to get "something" from everyone...whether it's a sale or trading the traffic out for fresh traffic...
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