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kmanrox · 10-01-2003, 11:49 AM

http://www.zonezero.com/exposiciones...rafos/witkin2/

apparently this 'artist' moved from the usa to mexico just so he could persue his perverse artwork...

these are all real people and corpses i'm told...

and you ppl thought i was a sick fuck? heh

strobi · 10-01-2003, 11:50 AM

Ozzymosis1 · 10-01-2003, 11:51 AM

Thats some killer stuff hes got. I like it

WebTitan · 10-01-2003, 11:52 AM

definitly gross

brand0n · 10-01-2003, 11:52 AM

pretty fuckin sick if u ask me

JamesK · 10-01-2003, 11:53 AM

gross.

Yo Adrian · 10-01-2003, 11:56 AM

That's some twisted art, how would he get the corpses?

Shok · 10-01-2003, 11:56 AM

I am partial to the piece:
"Shoe Fucker and Woman Who Believes She's Becoming a Camera"

quiet · 10-01-2003, 11:56 AM

interesting stuff

LadyMischief · 10-01-2003, 11:58 AM

The bodies are bodies of people who donate themselves to science, I believe. And this isn't a new thing. I think what this guy does is cool and revolutionary...

LeeNoga · 10-01-2003, 12:00 PM

What is the fetish called, "Necrophelia", I forget.

However.

There is some corpse art on a traveling show where the families donated their loved ones to be sliced paper thin as sculpture art as well as preserved after so much decaying went on...and they look like sculptures to.....

So its art, 20/20 Primetime I believe aired this special and they called it art with family consent...and there is a waiting list to get your corpse made into art....they use some kind of plastic that coats the corpse and it the pieces are really neat to see.

Sly_RJ · 10-01-2003, 12:03 PM

My roommate was an art student. He told me of an artist who shit in a jar and sold it for one million dollars.

The artists who sell pieces for top dollar aren't really artists, they're salesman. And damn good salesman at that.

Shok · 10-01-2003, 12:06 PM

I would sell my shit for much less

lagwagon · 10-01-2003, 12:09 PM

that shit was fucking cool.

GigaChris · 10-01-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by strobi

what he said

Morgan · 10-01-2003, 12:15 PM

creepy!

Chris · 10-01-2003, 12:18 PM

if they bodys where real the guy would of been stopped by now

bushwacker · 10-01-2003, 12:26 PM

gross

lightswitch · 10-01-2003, 12:29 PM

Saaaaaawwweeet!!!

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smack · 10-01-2003, 12:34 PM

i suppose art is a subjective thing?

sweet7 · 10-01-2003, 12:46 PM

I saw something about urban legends recently. They mentioned something, (which is NOT an urban legend). Apparently scientists use corpses donated to science and lay them in a field on the ground, buried, and in car trunks etc etc. They do this to see how bodies decay so that they can eventually date corpses that they find on/in crime scenes etc...anyway my point is, imagine stumbling on this empty field?

How fuckin' freaked out would you be? I imagine many people would lose their minds.

MattO · 10-01-2003, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweet7
I saw something about urban legends recently. They mentioned something, (which is NOT an urban legend). Apparently scientists use corpses donated to science and lay them in a field on the ground, buried, and in car trunks etc etc. They do this to see how bodies decay so that they can eventually date corpses that they find on/in crime scenes etc...anyway my point is, imagine stumbling on this empty field?

How fuckin' freaked out would you be? I imagine many people would lose their minds.

Umm.... there's a fence around it. It's closely monitored.

cluck · 10-01-2003, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweet7
I saw something about urban legends recently. They mentioned something, (which is NOT an urban legend). Apparently scientists use corpses donated to science and lay them in a field on the ground, buried, and in car trunks etc etc. They do this to see how bodies decay so that they can eventually date corpses that they find on/in crime scenes etc...anyway my point is, imagine stumbling on this empty field?

How fuckin' freaked out would you be? I imagine many people would lose their minds.

How else would you practice forensic science?

Anyone see nip/tuck last night where they had to take their tests on heads off of cadavers donated to science?

loverboy · 10-01-2003, 01:01 PM

that is one of a hell of a profession.

nosey · 10-01-2003, 01:02 PM

gross and creepy

pimplink · 10-01-2003, 01:04 PM

There's even an artist in Holland, I believe, that got paid $24K for each can of his shit that he sells in galleries. Museums actually buy his canned feces. Talk about shitty art.

mastamindz · 10-01-2003, 01:14 PM

I love it.

Shok · 10-01-2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimplink
There's even an artist in Holland, I believe, that got paid $24K for each can of his shit that he sells in galleries. Museums actually buy his canned feces. Talk about shitty art.

I can beat that price and I have an endless supply

foolio · 10-01-2003, 02:12 PM

what the fuck..........

http://www.zonezero.com/exposiciones.../images/02.jpg

Johny Traffic · 10-01-2003, 02:13 PM

very odd

MetaMan · 10-01-2003, 02:15 PM

its like THE CELL all over again.

SleazeQueen · 10-01-2003, 02:27 PM

There's a whole genre of this kind of art. It's actually very interesting once you get past the fact that they are dead bodies. I didn't see these, but the ones I saw were beautiful. At first you're grossed out and a little freaked out, but then the shock wears off and it becomes about the message or the beauty of the form.

I went to a exhibit in San Francisco several years ago that was all this kind of "disturbing" art. There was a photo exhibit of forensic pics, one of medical surgery photos, another of voyeur type shots of a brothel across an alley and one video exhibit.

The video was really interesting, IMO. Cameras had been set up to record any vertical movement underneath the Golden Gate Bridge. Basically it caught jumpers on film. What you ended up with was a darkened room with quotes about suicide in light boxes and an endless loop of people jumping to their death from the bridge.

My boyfriend couldn't stay in there as it upset him too much, but after the shock of what I was seeing wore off, I was hypnotized by it all. Very moving.

It's certainly not for everyone and there's probably some prurient interest being served to some people who are more than a little twisted.

But then I guess it comes down to a matter of freedom of speech and expression. I'd rather allow some art/speech that offends me than for someone to tell me what and how I have to think.

Elli · 10-01-2003, 02:41 PM

I would hardly compare Witkin's work to a jar of shit. A jar of shit is cheap, easily obtained, and infinitely mundane. Each of Witkin's images is carefully crafted, probably taking months to compose each scene with all the detailed parts. Art elicits an emotion from the viewer, and those pictures definitely do that. Sure, it's rotten.com taken to a cultured extreme, but it's interesting and different and highly unique. Read the "About the author" review. A poet laureate thinks it's such great art that he devoted an entire cycle of his poems to Witkin's work.

Anyway, I think Oscar Wilde says it best:
"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style.

No artist is ever morbid. The artist can express everything.

Vice and virtue are to the artist materials for an art.

Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital.

We can forgive a man for making a userful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely.

All art is quite useless."

swingerman · 10-01-2003, 02:57 PM

awesome!

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SleazeQueen Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western WA Posts: 634	There's a whole genre of this kind of art. It's actually very interesting once you get past the fact that they are dead bodies. I didn't see these, but the ones I saw were beautiful. At first you're grossed out and a little freaked out, but then the shock wears off and it becomes about the message or the beauty of the form. I went to a exhibit in San Francisco several years ago that was all this kind of "disturbing" art. There was a photo exhibit of forensic pics, one of medical surgery photos, another of voyeur type shots of a brothel across an alley and one video exhibit. The video was really interesting, IMO. Cameras had been set up to record any vertical movement underneath the Golden Gate Bridge. Basically it caught jumpers on film. What you ended up with was a darkened room with quotes about suicide in light boxes and an endless loop of people jumping to their death from the bridge. My boyfriend couldn't stay in there as it upset him too much, but after the shock of what I was seeing wore off, I was hypnotized by it all. Very moving. It's certainly not for everyone and there's probably some prurient interest being served to some people who are more than a little twisted. But then I guess it comes down to a matter of freedom of speech and expression. I'd rather allow some art/speech that offends me than for someone to tell me what and how I have to think. __________________ Bush can no more fire Rove than Charlie McCarthy could fire Edgar Bergen.

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Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	I would hardly compare Witkin's work to a jar of shit. A jar of shit is cheap, easily obtained, and infinitely mundane. Each of Witkin's images is carefully crafted, probably taking months to compose each scene with all the detailed parts. Art elicits an emotion from the viewer, and those pictures definitely do that. Sure, it's rotten.com taken to a cultured extreme, but it's interesting and different and highly unique. Read the "About the author" review. A poet laureate thinks it's such great art that he devoted an entire cycle of his poems to Witkin's work. Anyway, I think Oscar Wilde says it best: "No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style. No artist is ever morbid. The artist can express everything. Vice and virtue are to the artist materials for an art. Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital. We can forgive a man for making a userful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless." __________________ email: [email protected]

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