ok, I wana do a movie review. I saw bowling for columbine today. Canadian perspective - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:15 PM

ok, and as I suspected it was low budget.

I'm canadian. I remember having dinner with some americans in flordia and havig them ask me if the stuff about canadians not locking their doors was true. I didn't quite understand what he was askign me, as I always lock my door when I'm leaving my house for any real amount of time (ie several hours) - for insurance purposes. Now after seeing the movie I realize that what he was really asking me is if I lock my door when I'm inside of my house, as this is what Michael moore did - he went upto several houses during the day in Canada and OF COURSE they were open cause the people were home. I don't think I've locked the door when I'm inside my house EVER. I couldn't imagine living with that kind of fear every day and I feel sorry for Americans that live like that.

When I lived in apartments when I was younger and poor and in bad neighborhoods I never locked the door during the day so long as I was home - maybe at night though...but that was mostly to keep people from bardging in when I was sleeping that wanted to go party or such. Locking the door is an alien concept for me when I'm inside a house. I remember being 5 years old and visiting my Grandma for the night and she would make sure she bolted the doors and even then I'd look at her like she was crazy and everyone in the family made fun of her because she did that, but even she always had the house open during the day.

The one point I felt he was wrong on concerning guns in Canada is that YES, Canadians have PILES of guns, but the VAST majority of those guns are rifles and shotguns. They are everywhere and easy to get. Most all of my friends have rifles and shotguns.

BUT

Automtic weapons are VERY difficult to obtain here as are handguns. Mr Moore made it sound liek all canadians had equal amounts of handguns and automatic waepons. NOT TRUE. Just about the only place you'll find people with those weapons is at gun clubs (surprize surprise, that's where he found them)and they have VERY strict rules on how to handle them - psycho rules with stiff penalities. Sure some illegial ones are around, but VERY few, and I mean VERY few. And the ammo for them is hard to get as well unless it's a 22 caliber handgun or something like that that uses the same ammo as a common rifle.

Take away the guns that are designed to kill people (handguns and automatic weapons) and people don't get killed. Very simple but hardly ANYONE ever sees it like that. I have a criminology degree too so I have a little bit of knowledge in that subject as well. - and I AGREE with the canadian policy. Rifles and shotguns are cool and fun and more than adiquate for home protection and defending yourself against a mob or such, but no one really has a need for automatic weapons and handguns cept maybe for police and soldiers.

Spunky · 09-28-2003, 08:17 PM

The bigger Canadian cities have just as much problems with gun related crime and mental instability as the American people.
Our justice system is a joke and the criminals know it.

Juicy D. Links · 09-28-2003, 08:17 PM

I have that on VOD i might see it later tonight

teenjump · 09-28-2003, 08:17 PM

Agreed. I feel the same way.

But any weapon can be used to kill people. I think guns are used because they are convenient.

GTS Mark · 09-28-2003, 08:18 PM

That movie was incredible, a real eye opener into the american culture of guns and fear.

DH

Rictor · 09-28-2003, 08:21 PM

Guns are bad...mmmkay?

Don't forget the other message of the movie. Gun violence is caused by white America's fear of black people.

BRISK · 09-28-2003, 08:21 PM

How was that a movie review?

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by teenjump
Agreed. I feel the same way.

But any weapon can be used to kill people. I think guns are used because they are convenient.

thus what i was saying about handguns and automatic weapons.

take them away and no problem with guns

it isn't convient to kill someone with a five foot long shotgun or a 4 foot hunting rifle with a big ass scope on it. It's very difficult to do in close quarters and even harder to do from a distance unless you are calm and cool to take aim.

imJason · 09-28-2003, 08:24 PM

i though the movie was a little bias, but it made some good points,

some americans and american corparations refuse to take responsability for some the gun violence in america,

charlton heston, and dick clark, and kmart, all came off looking like monsters,

and I think they deserved it a little bit,

anyways, im canadien, I always lock my door,

except maybe around the middle of the day when people are in and out of the house, its left open,

i had a crazy woman walk in my house once and start talking to me right in my living room,

but I dont worry about home invasion and random violence,

its jsut not a problem up here like it is in some places in the states,

I worry more about break ins 5 minutes after I leave my house, which happen very often in my area,

09-28-2003, 08:24 PM

it was truely an amazing piece. I just watched it today again. his perception of fear spread by media and gov'ment was quite interesting.

if canada wasn't that fucking cold, I'd emigrate in a second.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Guns are bad...mmmkay?

Don't forget the other message of the movie. Gun violence is caused by white America's fear of black people.

yeah - I noticed that. Being Canadian I picked up on that overtone of the movie right away and felt like it was more something that Mr, Moore was imposing on the whole situation that just wasn't true.

As far as I know it's just as easy for a black or a white person to get a gun in the USA most anywhere.

The stats I know say more black people shoot black people than white people so with those kind of statistics I felt that point that Micheal moore was trying to make was really bullshit and just trying to install more hatrid on the NRA that wasn't justified. Not saying the NRA is a good organization, they should be banning handguns and automatic weapons, but personally I don't think they are racist. Sure some members are, but there are dumbass racists in most EVERY organization, black and white.

09-28-2003, 08:28 PM

I did not quite get the part where the cartoon explained the relationship between the NRA and the KKK. Could someone enlighten me?

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by imJason

except maybe around the middle of the day when people are in and out of the house, its left open,

i had a crazy woman walk in my house once and start talking to me right in my living room,

but I dont worry about home invasion and random violence,

its jsut not a problem up here like it is in some places in the states,

I worry more about break ins 5 minutes after I leave my house, which happen very often in my area,

sounds like an american type statement lol

I remember visiting my parents about 7 years ago and staying the night. I was up late watching TV and some guy walked into the house - doped up and passed me and went down the hall. I asked him who he was and he stopped dead and said he was sorry and had the wrong house and hurried out all ashamed. He walked out and then passed out on the lawn. I called an ambulance for him as he started foaming - otherwize I would have just given him the couch and a blanket.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
I did not quite get the part where the cartoon explained the relationship between the NRA and the KKK. Could someone enlighten me?

I didn't quite like the comparision of that either. I felt that was crossing the line of acceptable factual journalism and into the rhelm of talk show bullshit co-incidence sensationalism.

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 08:32 PM

I don't lock my door very often at all. But then again, I don't live in a shitty neighborhood with high crime rates.

imJason · 09-28-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

sounds like an american type statement lol

I remember visiting my parents about 7 years ago and staying the night. I was up late watching TV and some guy walked into the house - doped up and passed me and went down the hall. I asked him who he was and he stopped dead and said he was sorry and had the wrong house and hurried out all ashamed. He walked out and then passed out on the lawn. I called an ambulance for him as he started foaming - otherwize I would have just given him the couch and a blanket.

lol, yah well I live in the city, so I guess canadien cities are not that far off from american cities,

although I feal safer walking the streets of montreal or toronto than I do in most american or european cities,

in the states I worry is robbed I would be shot,

in canada if robbed I might get beat down,

gornyhuy · 09-28-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

sounds like an american type statement lol

I remember visiting my parents about 7 years ago and staying the night. I was up late watching TV and some guy walked into the house - doped up and passed me and went down the hall. I asked him who he was and he stopped dead and said he was sorry and had the wrong house and hurried out all ashamed. He walked out and then passed out on the lawn. I called an ambulance for him as he started foaming - otherwize I would have just given him the couch and a blanket.

And WHY you don't lock your doors again?

Spunky · 09-28-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
it was truely an amazing piece. I just watched it today again. his perception of fear spread by media and gov'ment was quite interesting.

if canada wasn't that fucking cold, I'd emigrate in a second.

Canadian Gun control is only a obstacle.. people will always smuggle guns from America the same way our drugs get to them.
Vancouver doesn't get that cold.
It might rain more in the winter than anywhere but today was like 90 degrees

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by imJason

although I feal safer walking the streets of montreal or toronto than I do in most american or european cities,

in the states I worry is robbed I would be shot,

in canada if robbed I might get beat down,

Really? Interesting. I have never had that feeling. Couple months back I was strolling around with some friends in a really shitty part of LA and still wasn't afraid of being shot. I did make sure my wallet was hidden, but I was more worried (hardly) about being beat up than shot.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by gornyhuy

And WHY you don't lock your doors again?

the guy was very nice about it.

BRISK · 09-28-2003, 08:44 PM

On a per capita basis, Canada has far fewer gun deaths than America, but a much better comparison would be made by comparing America with European or some Asian countries.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...rticleKey=6166

The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

U.S.A. 14.24

Canada 4.31

Australia 2.65

Italy 2.44

Germany 1.24

England and Wales 0.41

Japan 0.05

rooster · 09-28-2003, 08:45 PM

The thing I find funny about alot on the left is their policies and rehtoric create problems and then complain about the situation they created.

Heres the thing, who are most of these gun deaths. Black on black crime in the inner city. You can go to any white neighborhood, even if its dirt poor, and its going to be pretty non-violent. Its not the whites that are killing each other on a big scale. I've never even heard a gunshot in any middle class white neighborhood ive ever lived in.

The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys.

So if Moore truly has a problem with the number of gun deaths and wants a solution, then why avoid the obvious. Its because hes a leftist idiot that would never insult one of his bread and butter supporters.

If he really wants to decrease these deaths, then its time for the left to quit using blacks as a pawn and keeping them down.

slapass · 09-28-2003, 08:45 PM

i live in the US and i almost never lock my doors. BUT i worked in an innner city neighborhood and if it had a lock, we used it as everything got stolen every couple of months.
In the US, inner city poor people are armed. I asked why they shoot so much and the thinking was they needed to practice and test them out. No firing range.

Spunky · 09-28-2003, 08:46 PM

Intresting how the Japanese have so few.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
The thing I find funny about alot on the left is their policies and rehtoric create problems and then complain about the situation they created.

Heres the thing, who are most of these gun deaths. Black on black crime in the inner city. You can go to any white neighborhood, even if its dirt poor, and its going to be pretty non-violent. Its not the whites that are killing each other on a big scale. I've never even heard a gunshot in any middle class white neighborhood ive ever lived in.

The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys.

So if Moore truly has a problem with the number of gun deaths and wants a solution, then why avoid the obvious. Its because hes a leftist idiot that would never insult one of his bread and butter supporters.

If he really wants to decrease these deaths, then its time for the left to quit using blacks as a pawn and keeping them down.

why do doctors in the USA now say that if a home has a gun in it that it's a health risk to the owners of the home - black or WHITE?

Spunky · 09-28-2003, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by rooster

The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys.

You haven't been to Canada have you?
When I went to school it was rare to see a minority.Now it is rare to see white kids .
We are a huge melting pot of every race and color.

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by slapass
i live in the US and i almost never lock my doors. BUT i worked in an innner city neighborhood and if it had a lock, we used it as everything got stolen every couple of months.
In the US, inner city poor people are armed. I asked why they shoot so much and the thinking was they needed to practice and test them out. No firing range.

I would love to see some statistics on inner-city gun deaths, particularly "projects" and "ghettos". New York, Chicago, D.C... those cities have some BAD areas.

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

why do doctors in the USA now say that if a home has a gun in it that it's a health risk to the owners of the home - black or WHITE?

Because it is still a health risk, regardless of color. The problem is people who take those guns away from their homes.

Fletch XXX · 09-28-2003, 08:53 PM

You dont lock your door when you sleep at night?

Geez man, things are much different here.

Folks like Richard Ramirez helped make sure all doors in So Cal are locked at night.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Because it is still a health risk, regardless of color. The problem is people who take those guns away from their homes.

????????

09-28-2003, 08:55 PM

Wow...I cannot fathom not locking my doors. I live in an upperclass area, yet I still never feel safe. I like many Americans is the owner of a house alarm. My house is without arms other than a 12 gauge, yet I do not feel safe. The fact that everybody is armed to their ears poses a serious threat...We've armed ourselves way more than os necessary for "protection". The majority of people do not see that.

It must be wonderful to live ina place where you never lock your door. I really do envy you. We live in a country of violence, guns, drugs and psychos walking into school's of all ages and races just to hold a few hostages and spill some blood.

It's a sad society when all you hear on the news is killings, fires and drug busts. Why is everything so negative these days?

Ok...that was dreary...thanks for depressing me, Sleazy!

slapass · 09-28-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I would love to see some statistics on inner-city gun deaths, particularly "projects" and "ghettos". New York, Chicago, D.C... those cities have some BAD areas.

Lets face it. This is the place of violence that everyone fears. The actual city which is a suburb that I live in probably hasn't had a murder in 5 years. But 10 miles a way they kill a person a week or soemthign like that. And they shoot almost every night.

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

????????

Do you think our gun related deaths is at 14.4 because of in home shootings? I have no statistics, but I'm willing to bet that it isn't. Sure, sometimes it happens, but not near as much as other gun deaths.

Of course a gun sitting at home could pose a health risk. So does Drano. They'll both kill you when not taken care of properly. But that isn't where the gun does its stupid/dirty work. Pissed off people take their guns AWAY from their home and use them.

I grew up in an averaged size city in the mid-west. Everyone had guns of all sorts. Rifles, shotguns, hand guns, you name it. We had several murders in our city... of those murders, I don't remember one shooting. Not one. Plenty of stabbings, drownings, strangulations, etc. But never guns.

It's easy to blame a tragedy on guns. But shouldn't we be getting at the root of the problem? For example, finding out where all these gun deaths are REALLY happening, and then finding out WHY they happen.

Rictor · 09-28-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I don't lock my door very often at all. But then again, I don't live in a shitty neighborhood with high crime rates.

The real criminals don't rob shitty neighborhoods. They drive to the good neighborhoods where they can steal jewlry and electronics and cash.

Only junkies rob bad neighborhoods because they aren't pros.

Aly-Python · 09-28-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
...

The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys.

Actually... Toronto, Canada is considered one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world by the United Nations.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/toront.../diversity.htm

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by shermsshack

It's a sad society when all you hear on the news is killings, fires and drug busts. Why is everything so negative these days?

This isn't hugsandkisses.com. This is the real world. The news isn't going to show "happy things". Nobody will watch. They always show the terrible tragedies because that's what people eat up. There's a lot more good going on than people tend to realize, you just have to look away from the TV to find it.

Za Ha · 09-28-2003, 09:06 PM

Can I be in your movie?

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor

The real criminals don't rob shitty neighborhoods. They drive to the good neighborhoods where they can steal jewlry and electronics and cash.

Only junkies rob bad neighborhoods because they aren't pros.

This is true. But how much of our overall crime do you think is done by actual pros?

slapass · 09-28-2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rictor

The real criminals don't rob shitty neighborhoods. They drive to the good neighborhoods where they can steal jewlry and electronics and cash.

Only junkies rob bad neighborhoods because they aren't pros.

Yeah but there are so few "pros" that it does nto matter. Try to imagine haking everything you own in the next 24 hours. My whole house would bring like 50 bucks unless you had a serrious moving van.

SleazyDream · 09-28-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

This isn't hugsandkisses.com. This is the real world. The news isn't going to show "happy things". Nobody will watch. They always show the terrible tragedies because that's what people eat up. There's a lot more good going on than people tend to realize, you just have to look away from the TV to find it.

in canada the news isn't sensationalism about violence every day, and people watch it

Aly-Python · 09-28-2003, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

This isn't hugsandkisses.com. This is the real world. The news isn't going to show "happy things". Nobody will watch. They always show the terrible tragedies because that's what people eat up. There's a lot more good going on than people tend to realize, you just have to look away from the TV to find it.

What Sly_RJ just said...

When it came down to it... In his desperate search for the reason 'why', the closest reason Michael Moore could come to was a media and government-perpetuated fear. Having lived in the UK, Canada and the US, I have to agree that fear is indeed what sells in the US. However, I don't think that's necessarily much different than the other places. What IS different, Sleazy has already pointed out... Handguns are readily available to get in the US, as opposed to Canada and the UK. Sure, if you really, really want one there you can get one if you try, but it is harder to do. British culture is, and always has been, horribly violent; if they had easy access to guns, there'd probably be a bloodbath at every England VS Scotland rugby match.

skillfull · 09-28-2003, 09:14 PM

where i live, i know a bunch of people who NEVER lock their door at all, like me :P

Sly_RJ · 09-28-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

in canada the news isn't sensationalism about violence every day, and people watch it

Super. That's Canada. I don't live in Canada. Different cultures are into different things. Americans are shocked by bad things and are sucked up into them. It's annoying as hell when you're trying to drive somewhere and there's an accident, everybody slows down to check it out.

TheFLY · 09-28-2003, 09:17 PM

Thanks for that review Sleazy... I have some family up in Michigan and they don't lock their doors either, not even their car doors... They like to make fun of us city people... But that goes without saying that they live in a small secluded area and any outsider is noticed right away...

I'd leave my door open all the time, but sometimes WIERD shit happens... you always hear about crack addicts breaking into places looking for stuff to pawn... Yes it DOES bother me that I need to lock it, but it bothers me if I don't lock it... I tend to avoid my neighbors because most of them aren't interested in what I'm interested in -- I'm more educated than most people around me -- I don't have much in common with most people around me -- but I don't want to have anything in common with other people -- because I'm an artist -- if I was like everyone else I'd no longer be creative... It's a virtue and a curse...

I think handguns should be regulated -- same goes with automatic weapons... but really I don't think it will make much difference... there are just too many ways to kill someone.

The movie is kindof looking for a solution to our "problem"... I think the problem with America is capitalism, too many people left behind due to the greed of the uncaring, wealthy minority... some luxuries are just sinful when there are so many people suffering... The wealthy feel "I am superior" so this money is mine... This is just stupid and I won't explain why... but it's not so apparent that it's stupid in a big city where most people are anonymous... in a smaller community it's obvious who needs help because you see the same people every day. For instance a black guy (maybe he's homeless) today asked me for some change... I see this guy all the time and I've never seen him drunk or annoying people so I felt fine giving him a dollar... Last time he asked me for money was maybe two years ago... Anyway I think lots of people in the USA, especially war vets and adolescent kids with no family structure get left behind in society... they turn to drugs (and probably not very good drugs) and that's when the violence begins... and the result is fear and the fear spreads, especially in a big city where everyone is essentially anonymous... Cities are fun but they really do suck because nobody really gives a shit about you because you're just another stranger... and I think automobiles and industrialization are to blame... When you're all alone in your SUV, it doesn't really matter if you know who your neighbors are -- it doesn't matter if you see that old homless guy walking by himself day after day because you never have to look him in the eye or say hello because you've got your windows rolled up and your doors locked... so go ahead and ignore the problem in your gated community or in your SUV, but the shit will come down eventually and it won't be pretty

porn addict · 09-28-2003, 09:23 PM

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Take away the guns that are designed to kill people (handguns and automatic weapons) and people don't get killed. Very simple but hardly ANYONE ever sees it like that.

When you are referring to automatic weapons, i assume you are talking about full-auto weapons. Actually, there has been one one crime committed in USA with a LEGALLY OWNED full-auto, and that was committed by a police officer......

BRISK · 09-28-2003, 09:24 PM

Japan and Hong Kong are two of the most capitalist countries in the world and they have an extremely low rate of gun deaths per capita.

TheFLY · 09-28-2003, 09:31 PM

I tink Cypress Hill once said something like this...

"When the shit goes down you better be ready... and by the way you got a hole in your head in your motherfucking head..."

KC · 09-28-2003, 09:34 PM

Sleazy, do you live in a rural area?

If you lived in Toronto or Vancouver do you still think you wouldn't lock your doors? Would you have your family lock the door if you weren't there?

Saying that all americans lock their doors and live in fear is bullshit and misleading. If there was no practical reason for locking a door then why do Canadian doors come with locks? Why have any locks?

What does a lock really do anyway? If someone wants to break into a house they can easily break a window in most cases.

I think Michael Moore's movie was seriously biased, misleading and generally a bunch of anti gun propaganda.

TheFLY · 09-28-2003, 09:40 PM

If I learned one thing from living in Brooklyn... you look people in the eye... people on the streets aren't dumb -- if they see hate or fear, you might be in trouble just because you're a threat to the fabric of things...

The real problem is these poor, unsupervised and uneducated kids... They're fucked in the head from a dozen different directions...

TheFLY · 09-28-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Japan and Hong Kong are two of the most capitalist countries in the world and they have an extremely low rate of gun deaths per capita.

How about bukkake deaths?

09-28-2003, 08:15 PM	#1
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	ok, I wana do a movie review. I saw bowling for columbine today. Canadian perspective ok, and as I suspected it was low budget. I'm canadian. I remember having dinner with some americans in flordia and havig them ask me if the stuff about canadians not locking their doors was true. I didn't quite understand what he was askign me, as I always lock my door when I'm leaving my house for any real amount of time (ie several hours) - for insurance purposes. Now after seeing the movie I realize that what he was really asking me is if I lock my door when I'm inside of my house, as this is what Michael moore did - he went upto several houses during the day in Canada and OF COURSE they were open cause the people were home. I don't think I've locked the door when I'm inside my house EVER. I couldn't imagine living with that kind of fear every day and I feel sorry for Americans that live like that. When I lived in apartments when I was younger and poor and in bad neighborhoods I never locked the door during the day so long as I was home - maybe at night though...but that was mostly to keep people from bardging in when I was sleeping that wanted to go party or such. Locking the door is an alien concept for me when I'm inside a house. I remember being 5 years old and visiting my Grandma for the night and she would make sure she bolted the doors and even then I'd look at her like she was crazy and everyone in the family made fun of her because she did that, but even she always had the house open during the day. The one point I felt he was wrong on concerning guns in Canada is that YES, Canadians have PILES of guns, but the VAST majority of those guns are rifles and shotguns. They are everywhere and easy to get. Most all of my friends have rifles and shotguns. BUT Automtic weapons are VERY difficult to obtain here as are handguns. Mr Moore made it sound liek all canadians had equal amounts of handguns and automatic waepons. NOT TRUE. Just about the only place you'll find people with those weapons is at gun clubs (surprize surprise, that's where he found them)and they have VERY strict rules on how to handle them - psycho rules with stiff penalities. Sure some illegial ones are around, but VERY few, and I mean VERY few. And the ammo for them is hard to get as well unless it's a 22 caliber handgun or something like that that uses the same ammo as a common rifle. Take away the guns that are designed to kill people (handguns and automatic weapons) and people don't get killed. Very simple but hardly ANYONE ever sees it like that. I have a criminology degree too so I have a little bit of knowledge in that subject as well. - and I AGREE with the canadian policy. Rifles and shotguns are cool and fun and more than adiquate for home protection and defending yourself against a mob or such, but no one really has a need for automatic weapons and handguns cept maybe for police and soldiers. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog. Last edited by SleazyDream; 09-28-2003 at 08:19 PM..

09-28-2003, 08:17 PM	#2
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	The bigger Canadian cities have just as much problems with gun related crime and mental instability as the American people. Our justice system is a joke and the criminals know it. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE* Last edited by Spunky; 09-28-2003 at 08:20 PM..

09-28-2003, 08:21 PM	#7
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	How was that a movie review? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

09-28-2003, 08:24 PM	#9
imJason Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,215	i though the movie was a little bias, but it made some good points, some americans and american corparations refuse to take responsability for some the gun violence in america, charlton heston, and dick clark, and kmart, all came off looking like monsters, and I think they deserved it a little bit, anyways, im canadien, I always lock my door, except maybe around the middle of the day when people are in and out of the house, its left open, i had a crazy woman walk in my house once and start talking to me right in my living room, but I dont worry about home invasion and random violence, its jsut not a problem up here like it is in some places in the states, I worry more about break ins 5 minutes after I leave my house, which happen very often in my area, __________________ IM Jason 31227578 http://www.vidsvidsvids.com

09-28-2003, 08:32 PM	#15
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I don't lock my door very often at all. But then again, I don't live in a shitty neighborhood with high crime rates. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

09-28-2003, 08:17 PM	#3
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	I have that on VOD i might see it later tonight

09-28-2003, 08:17 PM	#4
teenjump So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,595	Agreed. I feel the same way. But any weapon can be used to kill people. I think guns are used because they are convenient.

09-28-2003, 08:18 PM	#5
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	That movie was incredible, a real eye opener into the american culture of guns and fear. DH

09-28-2003, 08:21 PM	#6
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Guns are bad...mmmkay? Don't forget the other message of the movie. Gun violence is caused by white America's fear of black people.

09-28-2003, 08:24 PM	#10
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	it was truely an amazing piece. I just watched it today again. his perception of fear spread by media and gov'ment was quite interesting. if canada wasn't that fucking cold, I'd emigrate in a second.

09-28-2003, 08:28 PM	#12
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	I did not quite get the part where the cartoon explained the relationship between the NRA and the KKK. Could someone enlighten me?

09-28-2003, 08:44 PM	#21
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	On a per capita basis, Canada has far fewer gun deaths than America, but a much better comparison would be made by comparing America with European or some Asian countries. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...rticleKey=6166 The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows: U.S.A. 14.24 Canada 4.31 Australia 2.65 Italy 2.44 Germany 1.24 England and Wales 0.41 Japan 0.05 __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

09-28-2003, 08:45 PM	#22
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	The thing I find funny about alot on the left is their policies and rehtoric create problems and then complain about the situation they created. Heres the thing, who are most of these gun deaths. Black on black crime in the inner city. You can go to any white neighborhood, even if its dirt poor, and its going to be pretty non-violent. Its not the whites that are killing each other on a big scale. I've never even heard a gunshot in any middle class white neighborhood ive ever lived in. The reason theres not much gun deaths in canada or japan is because its basically one race. Canada is just a bunch of white guys. So if Moore truly has a problem with the number of gun deaths and wants a solution, then why avoid the obvious. Its because hes a leftist idiot that would never insult one of his bread and butter supporters. If he really wants to decrease these deaths, then its time for the left to quit using blacks as a pawn and keeping them down.

09-28-2003, 08:45 PM	#23
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	i live in the US and i almost never lock my doors. BUT i worked in an innner city neighborhood and if it had a lock, we used it as everything got stolen every couple of months. In the US, inner city poor people are armed. I asked why they shoot so much and the thinking was they needed to practice and test them out. No firing range.

09-28-2003, 08:46 PM	#24
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Intresting how the Japanese have so few. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

09-28-2003, 08:53 PM	#29
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	You dont lock your door when you sleep at night? Geez man, things are much different here. Folks like Richard Ramirez helped make sure all doors in So Cal are locked at night. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-28-2003, 08:55 PM	#31
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Wow...I cannot fathom not locking my doors. I live in an upperclass area, yet I still never feel safe. I like many Americans is the owner of a house alarm. My house is without arms other than a 12 gauge, yet I do not feel safe. The fact that everybody is armed to their ears poses a serious threat...We've armed ourselves way more than os necessary for "protection". The majority of people do not see that. It must be wonderful to live ina place where you never lock your door. I really do envy you. We live in a country of violence, guns, drugs and psychos walking into school's of all ages and races just to hold a few hostages and spill some blood. It's a sad society when all you hear on the news is killings, fires and drug busts. Why is everything so negative these days? Ok...that was dreary...thanks for depressing me, Sleazy!

09-28-2003, 09:06 PM	#37
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	Can I be in your movie?

09-28-2003, 09:14 PM	#42
skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	where i live, i know a bunch of people who NEVER lock their door at all, like me :P __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

09-28-2003, 09:17 PM	#44
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Thanks for that review Sleazy... I have some family up in Michigan and they don't lock their doors either, not even their car doors... They like to make fun of us city people... But that goes without saying that they live in a small secluded area and any outsider is noticed right away... I'd leave my door open all the time, but sometimes WIERD shit happens... you always hear about crack addicts breaking into places looking for stuff to pawn... Yes it DOES bother me that I need to lock it, but it bothers me if I don't lock it... I tend to avoid my neighbors because most of them aren't interested in what I'm interested in -- I'm more educated than most people around me -- I don't have much in common with most people around me -- but I don't want to have anything in common with other people -- because I'm an artist -- if I was like everyone else I'd no longer be creative... It's a virtue and a curse... I think handguns should be regulated -- same goes with automatic weapons... but really I don't think it will make much difference... there are just too many ways to kill someone. The movie is kindof looking for a solution to our "problem"... I think the problem with America is capitalism, too many people left behind due to the greed of the uncaring, wealthy minority... some luxuries are just sinful when there are so many people suffering... The wealthy feel "I am superior" so this money is mine... This is just stupid and I won't explain why... but it's not so apparent that it's stupid in a big city where most people are anonymous... in a smaller community it's obvious who needs help because you see the same people every day. For instance a black guy (maybe he's homeless) today asked me for some change... I see this guy all the time and I've never seen him drunk or annoying people so I felt fine giving him a dollar... Last time he asked me for money was maybe two years ago... Anyway I think lots of people in the USA, especially war vets and adolescent kids with no family structure get left behind in society... they turn to drugs (and probably not very good drugs) and that's when the violence begins... and the result is fear and the fear spreads, especially in a big city where everyone is essentially anonymous... Cities are fun but they really do suck because nobody really gives a shit about you because you're just another stranger... and I think automobiles and industrialization are to blame... When you're all alone in your SUV, it doesn't really matter if you know who your neighbors are -- it doesn't matter if you see that old homless guy walking by himself day after day because you never have to look him in the eye or say hello because you've got your windows rolled up and your doors locked... so go ahead and ignore the problem in your gated community or in your SUV, but the shit will come down eventually and it won't be pretty

09-28-2003, 09:24 PM	#46
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Japan and Hong Kong are two of the most capitalist countries in the world and they have an extremely low rate of gun deaths per capita. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

09-28-2003, 09:31 PM	#47
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I tink Cypress Hill once said something like this... "When the shit goes down you better be ready... and by the way you got a hole in your head in your motherfucking head..."

09-28-2003, 09:34 PM	#48
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	Sleazy, do you live in a rural area? If you lived in Toronto or Vancouver do you still think you wouldn't lock your doors? Would you have your family lock the door if you weren't there? Saying that all americans lock their doors and live in fear is bullshit and misleading. If there was no practical reason for locking a door then why do Canadian doors come with locks? Why have any locks? What does a lock really do anyway? If someone wants to break into a house they can easily break a window in most cases. I think Michael Moore's movie was seriously biased, misleading and generally a bunch of anti gun propaganda. __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

09-28-2003, 09:40 PM	#49
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	If I learned one thing from living in Brooklyn... you look people in the eye... people on the streets aren't dumb -- if they see hate or fear, you might be in trouble just because you're a threat to the fabric of things... The real problem is these poor, unsupervised and uneducated kids... They're fucked in the head from a dozen different directions...