Damn CCBIll checks!! - GoFuckYourself.com

sweetcuties · 09-22-2003, 10:25 AM

I've got this asshole that joined my site 3 times today using a check option and I immediately removed his account. I sent him a very stern letter and he rejoined using my $89 6 mth option. Over the past few mths, it's got to be at least $500 in check transactions from this asshole. As usual, I call ccbill and nothing can be done. What other processor gives a "clearing delay"? Now, in 3 days... I'm gonna get hit with $139 just from this 1 customer!

I love ccbill but you've got to clear up your check issues!!!

Asshole:

We have over $500 in fradulant transactions from you and your various ip addresses beginning with 170/172 etc. Below is a list of the various names, but we have ALOT more! This is NOT a joke and ccbill has a detailed record of every transaction, which is grand larceny. We can EASILY have you arrested and brought upo on criminal charges!!! Don't think because you're behind a computer, you can't be found.

DO NOT EVER JOIN OR ATTEMPT TO JOIN OUR SITES AGAIN!

Management

Customer Information:

This transaction was processed for account 911021 - 0000.
Customer Name: Karl Johnson
E-mail address: xxxxxx
Username: xxxxxx
Password: stanwood
Subscription ID: 6003272188
Price: $89.95 for 180 days (non-recurring)

xxxxx Bernard
PO BOX 3421
Everett, WA 98201
United States

xxxxx Jenkins
PO BOX 1123
Everett, WA 98201
United States

pamphage · 09-22-2003, 10:27 AM

LeeNoga · 09-22-2003, 10:28 AM

sweetcuties · 09-22-2003, 10:36 AM

I swear I wanna get on the next flight and find this cocksucker. Can you believe he's still trying to join?? FAKE NAMES OF COURSE

You are receiving this email to let you know that Karl Johnson
attempted to subscribe to account 911021-0000
and was declined due to Card Declined at Pre-Auth SC..
Customer Name: Karl Johnson

You are receiving this email to let you know that Walter Jones
attempted to subscribe to account 911021-0000
and was declined due to Card Declined at Pre-Auth SC..
Customer Name: Walter Jones

phillyrich · 09-22-2003, 10:44 AM

sweetcuties
can you define "clearing delay" Intertrans might be able to help you. ICQ me

SENSEX · 09-22-2003, 10:47 AM

Check signups are not worth the hassle.
I remember Globill use to have a webmaster option where you would only grant access once the check cleared. I dont know why others dont follow this, or even better why the other proccesors havent followed Probillings "instant check"????
80% of my check signups use to bounce, so I just said fuck it...

Hardcore J · 09-22-2003, 10:49 AM

Haha - that guy has a PO Box at the same post office as me :P

SGS · 09-22-2003, 10:52 AM

Online checks = free site access for freeloaders.

It used to be worth offering check subscriptions but not any more.

sweetcuties · 09-22-2003, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phillyrich
sweetcuties
can you define "clearing delay" Intertrans might be able to help you. ICQ me

Gives delayed access till the check clears. I joined a single girl site a few mths ago and I was gonna pay with a ck, till I saw the 7 day clear notice. I wanted immediate access, so I joined with my credit card. It can be done, Why is it so difficult with ccbill?

Quote:

Originally posted by SENSEX
Check signups are not worth the hassle.
I remember Globill use to have a webmaster option where you would only grant access once the check cleared. I dont know why others dont follow this, or even better why the other proccesors havent followed Probillings "instant check"????
80% of my check signups use to bounce, so I just said fuck it...

I cancelled the check option of ALL my sites except sweetcuties. I added it back because it's extra $$.

pamphage · 09-22-2003, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SENSEX
Check signups are not worth the hassle.
I remember Globill use to have a webmaster option where you would only grant access once the check cleared. I dont know why others dont follow this, or even better why the other proccesors havent followed Probillings "instant check"????
80% of my check signups use to bounce, so I just said fuck it...

i completely agree! it seems like such a nobrainer to give webmasters the option of not giving access until it clears!!! it was the one thing globill did exactly right.

im not familiar with probilling's instant check though. i thought there was nothing in place at banks for instant check verification to work yet?

foolio · 09-22-2003, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardcore J
Haha - that guy has a PO Box at the same post office as me :P

Put some shit in his box

johnnycocker · 09-22-2003, 11:04 AM

send them a letter about thier NSF check. then pass it off to a collection agency.

corvette · 09-22-2003, 11:30 AM

Fyi, just so you know, we have recently added new security features for online check sales and as I type this, we are working on implementing others as well

ZoiNk · 09-22-2003, 11:39 AM

Try www.achdebit.com seems to have a lot of nice real time verification features and inhouse collections department.
ZoiNk

Sly_RJ · 09-22-2003, 11:41 AM

Why not try a processor who specializes in checks?

BVF · 09-22-2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
Fyi, just so you know, we have recently added new security features for online check sales and as I type this, we are working on implementing others as well

please elaborate.....

and sweetcuties, that extra little bit of change ain't worth the hassle...until they do a delay option on checks, i'll never fuck with checks again.

Cindyff · 09-22-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SENSEX
Check signups are not worth the hassle.
I remember Globill use to have a webmaster option where you would only grant access once the check cleared. I dont know why others dont follow this, or even better why the other proccesors havent followed Probillings "instant check"????
80% of my check signups use to bounce, so I just said fuck it...

The one great thing about Globill was this check option, If any of the other billing companys start a delay sign up for checks we would use them, but until then checks suck.

Cindyxx

Rictor · 09-22-2003, 12:58 PM

sweetcuties · 09-22-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rictor
Yah, I get pissed off when I see the same name and/or e-mail repeatedly too. It's definitely a handful of people abusing the system:

nahed okasha [email protected]
mark rubinstein [email protected]
mark rubinstein [email protected]
micheal kong [email protected]
tony winger [email protected]
dajuan overton [email protected]
daniel bearden [email protected]
timothy cronemeyer [email protected]
aaron coen [email protected]
marcus lane [email protected]
quincy alexander [email protected]
richard pollick [email protected]
terry burton [email protected]
anthony johnson [email protected]
Troy Grandel [email protected]
Brian Hale [email protected]
stevie ricks [email protected]
Charles Long [email protected]
christian heras [email protected]
richard pollick [email protected]
terry burton [email protected]
John Vosarogo [email protected]
anthony johnson [email protected]
karl david [email protected]
RAZIR KHANNA [email protected]
Jose Mendoza [email protected]
Tracey Dam [email protected]
stevie ricks [email protected]
Dominic Homer [email protected]
Tracey Dam [email protected]
Dominic Homer [email protected]
adrienne cullins [email protected]
jermaine jones [email protected]
David Veto [email protected]
David Veto [email protected]
kim ham [email protected]
Tommy Fentress [email protected]
Tommy Fentress [email protected]
Dave Hamb [email protected]
Dave Hamb [email protected]
Rommel Gonzalez [email protected]
Chris Russell [email protected]
Chris Russell [email protected]
MARK PERSON [email protected]
MARK PERSON [email protected]
david detuzzi [email protected]
david detuzzi [email protected]
saloma sam [email protected]
saloma sam [email protected]
Dominic Homer [email protected]
Dominic Homer [email protected]
Chris Russell [email protected]
Chris Russell [email protected]
Jeff Rusnak [email protected]
SHAWN MARTIN [email protected]
Phillip Wilfong [email protected]
brey Kens [email protected]
SHAWN MARTIN [email protected]
william brady [email protected]
Phillip Wilfong [email protected]
brey Kens [email protected]
william swanson [email protected]
mike jackson [email protected]

Holy shit... I didn't recognize any of those names but it's fucked up. I'm speaking with ccbill now and I'll let everyone know the outcome.

SGS · 09-22-2003, 01:09 PM

Interested to hear news on this too.

sweetcuties · 09-24-2003, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SGS
Interested to hear news on this too.

I got rid of checks till there's a better way

AllisonWonderland · 09-24-2003, 08:05 PM

We're dumping checks for the same reason. I figure how many losers don't have at least a debit card (visa/mc logo to use as a cc sign-up)?

Corvett: I'm adding a statement on all of my ccbill join pages that says "we'd hate to lose you. yada, yada, but here's how to cancel, yada yada, any returns or chargebacks will result in you being barred from future membership.

Does ccbill allow me to have people w/ returns and chargebacks blacklisted? I've sent in requests several times, but only got a confirmation one way or the other that it had been done, once.

corvette · 09-24-2003, 08:25 PM

Without going into any specific details about the recent changes to online checks that we have implemented, I am going to suggest that you continue to accept online checks, at least for the short term, and of course, monitor your return rate

With regard to the aforementioned changes, we have noticed some impressive results so far, with more improvements currently in the works

As far as the future blacklisting of charged back credit cards and online check returns goes, that is a part of any decent fraud scrubbing system.

Any clients that want further specifics can contact their CCBill sales rep; I try to make myself available as well?

rowan · 09-24-2003, 09:02 PM

I don't process with ccbill but I also have issues with returned checks. I run two similar sites, on one about 1 in 5 checks DOESN'T bounce, on the other check signups are more rare but they are mostly legitimate. The first site is fed mainly with TGP traffic. I would guess most of sweetcuties traffic comes from TGPs too?

One good thing about broadband becoming more available - people are more likely to have static IPs, which you can block... if I see the same IP sign up for a check twice then they get blocked completely, they cannot connect to any site hosted on my server.

spooky181 · 09-24-2003, 09:41 PM

Hey sweetcuties I've got an idea how to put the wind up this bloke. Seing as hardcore j has the same PO box. Find out off hardcore j what the souroundings are at this PO box ie buildings etc. and then emial this bloke and tell him that next time he is picking up his mail to that he should be careful not to walk too close to the such and such building otherwise he may hurt himself.

Spooky

09-22-2003, 10:25 AM	#1
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Damn CCBIll checks!! I've got this asshole that joined my site 3 times today using a check option and I immediately removed his account. I sent him a very stern letter and he rejoined using my $89 6 mth option. Over the past few mths, it's got to be at least $500 in check transactions from this asshole. As usual, I call ccbill and nothing can be done. What other processor gives a "clearing delay"? Now, in 3 days... I'm gonna get hit with $139 just from this 1 customer! I love ccbill but you've got to clear up your check issues!!! Asshole: We have over $500 in fradulant transactions from you and your various ip addresses beginning with 170/172 etc. Below is a list of the various names, but we have ALOT more! This is NOT a joke and ccbill has a detailed record of every transaction, which is grand larceny. We can EASILY have you arrested and brought upo on criminal charges!!! Don't think because you're behind a computer, you can't be found. DO NOT EVER JOIN OR ATTEMPT TO JOIN OUR SITES AGAIN! Management Customer Information: This transaction was processed for account 911021 - 0000. Customer Name: Karl Johnson E-mail address: xxxxxx Username: xxxxxx Password: stanwood Subscription ID: 6003272188 Price: $89.95 for 180 days (non-recurring) xxxxx Bernard PO BOX 3421 Everett, WA 98201 United States xxxxx Jenkins PO BOX 1123 Everett, WA 98201 United States __________________ Last edited by sweetcuties; 09-22-2003 at 10:46 AM..

09-22-2003, 10:27 AM	#2
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09-22-2003, 10:36 AM	#4
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	I swear I wanna get on the next flight and find this cocksucker. Can you believe he's still trying to join?? FAKE NAMES OF COURSE You are receiving this email to let you know that Karl Johnson attempted to subscribe to account 911021-0000 and was declined due to Card Declined at Pre-Auth SC.. Customer Name: Karl Johnson You are receiving this email to let you know that Walter Jones attempted to subscribe to account 911021-0000 and was declined due to Card Declined at Pre-Auth SC.. Customer Name: Walter Jones __________________

09-22-2003, 10:44 AM	#5
phillyrich Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Posts: 162	sweetcuties can you define "clearing delay" Intertrans might be able to help you. ICQ me __________________ Phillyrich ICQ-200441622 [email protected]

09-22-2003, 10:52 AM	#8
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	Online checks = free site access for freeloaders. It used to be worth offering check subscriptions but not any more. __________________ See sig...

09-22-2003, 10:28 AM	#3
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043

09-22-2003, 10:47 AM	#6
SENSEX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Someplace Special Posts: 1,159	Check signups are not worth the hassle. I remember Globill use to have a webmaster option where you would only grant access once the check cleared. I dont know why others dont follow this, or even better why the other proccesors havent followed Probillings "instant check"???? 80% of my check signups use to bounce, so I just said fuck it...

09-22-2003, 10:49 AM	#7
Hardcore J Hardcore 4 Life™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,553	Haha - that guy has a PO Box at the same post office as me :P

09-22-2003, 11:04 AM	#12
johnnycocker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 122	send them a letter about thier NSF check. then pass it off to a collection agency. __________________ quality email lists for sale, or let us mail for you at $175.00 per mil delivered, contact me at [email protected] or ICQ #260963762

09-22-2003, 11:30 AM	#13
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Fyi, just so you know, we have recently added new security features for online check sales and as I type this, we are working on implementing others as well __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

09-22-2003, 11:39 AM	#14
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Try www.achdebit.com seems to have a lot of nice real time verification features and inhouse collections department. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

09-22-2003, 11:41 AM	#15
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Why not try a processor who specializes in checks? __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

09-22-2003, 12:58 PM	#18
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Yah, I get pissed off when I see the same name and/or e-mail repeatedly too. It's definitely a handful of people abusing the system: nahed okasha [email protected] mark rubinstein [email protected] mark rubinstein [email protected] micheal kong [email protected] tony winger [email protected] dajuan overton [email protected] daniel bearden [email protected] timothy cronemeyer [email protected] aaron coen [email protected] marcus lane [email protected] quincy alexander [email protected] richard pollick [email protected] terry burton [email protected] anthony johnson [email protected] Troy Grandel [email protected] Brian Hale [email protected] stevie ricks [email protected] Charles Long [email protected] christian heras [email protected] richard pollick [email protected] terry burton [email protected] John Vosarogo [email protected] anthony johnson [email protected] karl david [email protected] RAZIR KHANNA [email protected] Jose Mendoza [email protected] Tracey Dam [email protected] stevie ricks [email protected] Dominic Homer [email protected] Tracey Dam [email protected] Dominic Homer [email protected] adrienne cullins [email protected] jermaine jones [email protected] David Veto [email protected] David Veto [email protected] kim ham [email protected] Tommy Fentress [email protected] Tommy Fentress [email protected] Dave Hamb [email protected] Dave Hamb [email protected] Rommel Gonzalez [email protected] Chris Russell [email protected] Chris Russell [email protected] MARK PERSON [email protected] MARK PERSON [email protected] david detuzzi [email protected] david detuzzi [email protected] saloma sam [email protected] saloma sam [email protected] Dominic Homer [email protected] Dominic Homer [email protected] Chris Russell [email protected] Chris Russell [email protected] Jeff Rusnak [email protected] SHAWN MARTIN [email protected] Phillip Wilfong [email protected] brey Kens [email protected] SHAWN MARTIN [email protected] william brady [email protected] Phillip Wilfong [email protected] brey Kens [email protected] william swanson [email protected] mike jackson [email protected]

09-22-2003, 01:09 PM	#20
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	Interested to hear news on this too. __________________ See sig...

09-24-2003, 08:05 PM	#22
AllisonWonderland Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oHIo Posts: 248	We're dumping checks for the same reason. I figure how many losers don't have at least a debit card (visa/mc logo to use as a cc sign-up)? Corvett: I'm adding a statement on all of my ccbill join pages that says "we'd hate to lose you. yada, yada, but here's how to cancel, yada yada, any returns or chargebacks will result in you being barred from future membership. Does ccbill allow me to have people w/ returns and chargebacks blacklisted? I've sent in requests several times, but only got a confirmation one way or the other that it had been done, once.

09-24-2003, 08:25 PM	#23
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Without going into any specific details about the recent changes to online checks that we have implemented, I am going to suggest that you continue to accept online checks, at least for the short term, and of course, monitor your return rate With regard to the aforementioned changes, we have noticed some impressive results so far, with more improvements currently in the works As far as the future blacklisting of charged back credit cards and online check returns goes, that is a part of any decent fraud scrubbing system. Any clients that want further specifics can contact their CCBill sales rep; I try to make myself available as well? __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

09-24-2003, 09:02 PM	#24
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I don't process with ccbill but I also have issues with returned checks. I run two similar sites, on one about 1 in 5 checks DOESN'T bounce, on the other check signups are more rare but they are mostly legitimate. The first site is fed mainly with TGP traffic. I would guess most of sweetcuties traffic comes from TGPs too? One good thing about broadband becoming more available - people are more likely to have static IPs, which you can block... if I see the same IP sign up for a check twice then they get blocked completely, they cannot connect to any site hosted on my server.

09-24-2003, 09:41 PM	#25
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Hey sweetcuties I've got an idea how to put the wind up this bloke. Seing as hardcore j has the same PO box. Find out off hardcore j what the souroundings are at this PO box ie buildings etc. and then emial this bloke and tell him that next time he is picking up his mail to that he should be careful not to walk too close to the such and such building otherwise he may hurt himself. Spooky