I think your last two sentences throw the whole "common sense" thing out the window. ;-)

What does the constitution have to do with what kind of religous background this country is?

Have you ever read the constituion? it has numerous reference about the christian religion. The bill of rights was based on man's "GOD given right" to live in a country.

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The Human Body as marvelous as it is, strongly suggests that a creator must have been far from all knowing.

If I were an all powerful, all knowing being looking to create something to worship me (as creation teaches us is the purpose of humans) I sure as hell would do a better job of it.

The human body is far from strong, it is prone to breaking down very easily, can not hold up to much of anything. And if I live forever it would definately last a lot longer.

We are a completely insignificant speck of dust in the universe.

Mankind's ego has created religion in an attempt to overcome our insignificance

This is a pretty damn weak argument. If you want to draw some parallel between a sacred burial ground and a courthouse... well... nm.

It's quite a leap to say anyone who disagrees with the war or Mr. Bush's policies and course of action is aiding the enemy.

I'm all for the second half of your statement, however. FUCK PC.

Check out 1984 and Brave New World for some good reading.

I thought it was clear she was on the God side of the argument rather than common sense.

See??? Here I am one of the most if not THE most famous chat host on AOL ( former since the Bush propoganda brownshirts tookover ) and I can keep a thread rockin' til the break of dawn and NOBODY HAS RENTED MY SIG YET.

Now you know what's wrong with our species, it can't see a good deal when it's starin' em' right in their face.

because the people in there had religious beliefs, and they wanted them displayed on their graves. You have a problem with that?

Someone gives their life for our country and you are going to tell them they can't have a cross to mark their grave because we buried them on land owned by the governement?

Scientists mightn't agree on the details of evolution but they all agree that evolution is a fact and a reality. The evidence in all areas (fossil record, DNA etc) is overwhelming. The bottom line is that there is NO scientific evidence that invalidates evolution. It is the basis of modern biology.

Anti-evolutionists are almost always pushing fundamentalist Christianity. You know, these people are the type of morons that believe the world is 6000 years old. Some of them even believe that the world is flat because of passages in the Bible that imply that it is. It is scary that these idiots should have any influence over what children are taught in science classrooms.

fiddy!

Damn and the leaders of the US call the news media in the US they are all Revisionist History writers!

Fucking cock sucking leaders of this country are gonna be the death to us all, especially after we all have emptied our pockets for them.

Well if your 'non scrollin'-out of context-takin' ass had read the original response that was quoted you'ld have seen to what it was in response to.

Well considering the shit jumping off out here in California I can see why!

This state is going to shit faster than a cowfield after slop time.

If Bustamonte wins I'm packin' and rolling to a safe state like Alaska.

certainly you are not implying that they are teaching that the world is flat in some science classrooms.

then either vote against the recall, or start packing

No... but in some places 'creation' gets equal time, even though it is decidedly unscientific.

Maybe in Australia...but in the US...only in Religious Oriented Majors at a University...or Sunday School.

Yeah. The Piltdown man was real!

Evolution is not foolproof either. Very few scientific theories are. And remember, Einstein was a firm believer in God. For scientific reasons, no less. However, I myself, I have an entirely different belief system, so arguing about it is neither here no there. I just figured I get my two cents in, because I think this thread is going to get big.

there are as many muslims in the US as there are jews. Just they are no where near as visible..

and scientists can agree on evolution, the evidence is ROCK solid... I doubt furious female has heard of natural selection?

Very few Xtians still believe in creationism, and many Xtians now don't believe in the literal superior being.. It's interesting seeing how religion evolves to keep track with society..

As people become more educated the idea of atheism makes a lot more sense.

uh uh...my mother is head of the science department at a public school district in the States and even to this day she has to fight to keep evolution in the classroom - and she is a born again Christian, she just also happens to have a scientific brain.

Evolution is not taught in every school district in the states.

Here are just a few articles about the recent text book battle in texas...it is still an issue.

http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0028026.cfm
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr...ws/6740786.htm

All scientific theories are tentative - even gravity - but it is science and not religion that should be taught in science classrooms. Evolution is the only scientific theory we have to explain the emergence and development of life on Earth.

As the great Russian geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky said: "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution"

Piltdown man was exposed by the scientific coummunity. Science is self-correcting. It discovers it's own errors and frauds invaldates them and moves on. That is the nature of science.

If you study Genesis Chapter One carefully you will see that if you do some rearrangement of the verses and a little juxtaposing it fits very nicely into the evolution model. Only Christian fundamentalists believe the Bible is the uncorrupted, literal, inerrant, infallible word of God. There are millions of Christians that do not take that view.

An excellent source is one that PF started before he died and I occasionally update the index page to keep it alive as I may become involved in it at some point.

http://www.ronsbibleresearch.net/index.htm

So your name is Ron?

No and before you ask PF's name was not Ron. Ron was a long time friend of PF.

Why trust any book if some or all of it needs to be rearranged and juxtaposed? If you were born in Japan or Egypt you would be another religion right now and you would read another holy book. The Bible may be a lot of things but a science textbook it is not.

I will, however, take a look at the link.

And of course I'm sure a lot of meaning has been lost during 2,000 years of translations and edits ...

You Christians kill me. When it suits your purpose you call the bible the word of God. But when you are taken to the mat on that by all the stupid and ridiculous things it says in there, well then you claim that the bible isn't to be taken literally. You turkeys lack all credibility.

I mean if there is a god, and he wants people to worship him, then you would think he would make his instructions very clear right? I mean he is GOD afterall, he couldn't possibly be inarticulate or a poor communicator could he? It's fucking God - he rules over EVERYTHING - so how could he allow anything BUT an "uncorrupted, literal, inerrant, and infallible" translation of HIS word over time?

It seems to me that, by your own words theKing, either:
a) God is piss-poor communicator.
b) God is a piss-poor manager (for allowing "errors" to creep into HIS book).
c) God has a nasty streak and he is setting the human race up, by INTENTIONALLY communicating poorly and allowing errors to creep into "His word".
Or d) There is no God.

By definition of what a supreme being is, a) and b) are impossible don't you think? c) is possible but if he is a mean God and is just fucking with us all, then he isn't really God, he is Satan. So I guess the truth must be d) - there is no God.

Who would have thought that on GFY tonight we would use the bible to prove that there is no God.

amen brother, amen.

FYI...I am not a religious person let alone a Christian...nor have I ever been...so you are preaching to the choir...which makes you look somewhat foolish...doesn't it. By the way you said "we"...do you suffer with multiple personalities?

I see. I read more into your mention of that bible site then.

Regardless, what you articulated is what all non-fundamentalist Christians articulate, namely that there are parts of the bible that no sane person would actually carry out, and that these are just "mistakes" that aren't to be taken literally.

You editted your post make it more nasty. Are you sure you aren't a Christian?

Yes I am sure...and as far as being nasty...I just do not tolerate fools very well...and the leap that you took is foolish in my opinion...and in addition the "we" you referred to did not prove anything...unless you consider the words you posted to be proof...at least in your mind...but generally speaking words are not proof of anything.

Aw heck, don't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the Christian Fundamentalists are so annoyed with the THEORY ( note THEORY ) of evolution. Evolution is a process. The big debate is the SOURCE of that process. You can see evolution in the developement of any land mammal in the womb. Starts out as a simple multi-celled life form and goes from mullusk to fish to reptile/amphibian to several other things and then to that funny looking thing that looks like you, your wife and in-laws.

Fundamentalists aren't pissed that a theory of evolution exists. They probably are just upset because human life emerged from Africa and that would make their ancestors black people and that would fuck up their racial superiority bullshit they spew to milk loot out of illiterate masses. Plus it wouldn't justify the pillaging of Africa, Europe, Asia and everywhere else by these psychos.

Now if someone found an ancient human in Europe older than the present ones found in Africa, you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be posters of Charles Darwin next to Elvis and Jesus on the walls of every trailer park from here to the Pecos.

Okay as someone who's studied theology with the best theologians on Earth, lemme explain something.

The scriptures are a collection of written works based on passed down oral stories covering at least 15,000 years of history.

It's like the story of the fish that got away. Everytime you tell it, the fish gets bigger.

The problem with the scriptures is simple: People.

People telling a story will change this or that and fuck up this and fuck up that til by the time you get the spiel it's so confusing and conflicting it looses alot in the translation and the biggest thing it looses is TRUTH.

The Bible as we have come to call it ( which means The Book ) is a collection of books written over thousands of years by multiple authors. Intentionally meant as a written record ( the word of God meaning these are testaments that God always keeps his WORD...get it? Word of God? God keeps his word? Get it? Hunh? ) so that future generations of a select group of people would have their history in tact.

Problem is adapting these stories to cultures they weren't intended to be shown to. Yet that changed because the legality of the events is simple: God creates man, God realizes the boo boos and frailties, God takes responsibility, becomes a man and takes the rap for mankind's fuck ups. Simple and noble story.

Yet the versions of the scriptures we have today have been edited by self seeking profiteers. Primarily the Conference of Nicea where unauthorized persons decided what should and shouldn't be in the scriptures without even asking the Pope! Heck they even took out 'reincarnation' when it was a staple and continues to be a staple in the basic orthodox Christian and Judaic faiths. That version is the version we have today after being translated from Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, German, Old English, Modern English.

Great historical works, and a matter of faith. Gotta remember though, it wasn't until the mid to late 1800s that the masses of humanity actually could get their hands on a complete version of the King James Bible. Heck, most people couldn't even read it til the late 1800s. Figures hunh? Usually ONE person had a Bible and read it to others. Expensive book back then.

Now it's everywhere and we're killing more of one another than ever before. Figures hunh?

Hell yeah. It seems like the establishment needs to give up on things like the war on drugs and try and take out the big enemy of mankind - religion.

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so how do you live with yourself?

your posts on this board are some of the most foolish I've seen.

or is that because you spend too much time anaesthetizing yourself with alcohol?