Australia?

[BlueDesignStudios]

I suppose I am an insider

[teenjump]

Well see, I want to move there for awhile. But I HATE the traveller visa they have. 3 months only at a job? That's gay, who would hire you.

So I am looking for something a little better than that - wondering what my options are if any. And does sponsoring a person get them in.

IE. should I get hitched with a chick on the net for a free ride in? Kidding.

Any ideas where to start?
I started on the immigration site but the thing is so vague and focuses a lot on "cheat us and be kicked out."

[Bake]

Hmm why move out here? there are as many +and - for this

[teenjump]

Originally posted by Bake
Hmm why move out here? there are as many +and - for this

Most Canadians looking for a transition find Australia to be the best bet, as it is similar to Canada in many ways. We come from the same backgrounds... same sort of traditions - we are close without really knowing it in ways.

It's exotic and exciting, but still not TOO far away from home.
Woah, AWW you saying you wanted to sponsor me and give me a job? WOW! j/k

[teenjump]

bump

[advertiser]

strict porn laws in Australia
It is ilegal to have it on a server hosted here
the bandwidth here would kill any webmaster
other then that it is paradise

[pamphage]

I'll drink to that.

[Darkhorse]

Originally posted by teenjump
Anyone here live in Australia? I am looking at moving there for awhile - and am looking for some insight from an insider.

I live about 4HRS from the Gold Coast, ICQ me if you like.

[har har]

Originally posted by teenjump
Well see, I want to move there for awhile. But I HATE the traveller visa they have. 3 months only at a job? That's gay, who would hire you.

So I am looking for something a little better than that - wondering what my options are if any. And does sponsoring a person get them in.

IE. should I get hitched with a chick on the net for a free ride in? Kidding.

Any ideas where to start?
I started on the immigration site but the thing is so vague and focuses a lot on "cheat us and be kicked out."

i will sponsor you, $1 per gallery

[har har]

Originally posted by teenjump
Anyone here live in Australia? I am looking at moving there for awhile - and am looking for some insight from an insider.

like i said $1 per gallery take it or leave it

[teenjump]

Anyone here live in Australia? I am looking at moving there for awhile - and am looking for some insight from an insider.

[joseph4829]

Where do you live now? Why the move?

[The Other Steve]

Great place to live - people are still encouraged to think over here

[Odin88]

...people are still encouraged to think over here

I hope that was a joke.

[lock]

We are Aussie.

[Kevin2]

Australia is a great country and there is a lot to see if you have the time to travel. In the past 3 years I've had one holiday because I'm too busy

[[xsbar]]

Just got granted my residency, it toolk 2 applications, a wedding and 2 000 euros processing costs. Wonder why australian pay taxes. You have got to pay for everything down here. France was cheaper but Australia rules.

Get the working holliday visa and come down here ... you'll sort things out then. I'll do it quick to be there for the world cup, looks like it is going be fun.

[jimmy3way]

I'd step on my own mother's neck to call myself an Australian.

I already have the appropriate attire, I have five pairs of Blundies and ten pairs of cargo shorts.

[spooky181]

In my daytime job I teach a lot of foreign business people who come here for 1 or 2 years, and they are always very upset when they have to leave to go to their next country. They love the easy lifestyle, and comfort of living.

I'm in Melbourne and it may not be the most spectacular city but like all the other main cities it has a really relaxed atmosphere. Look forward to having you here you won't regret it.

Spooky

[Kevin2]

Originally posted by spooky181
In my daytime job I teach a lot of foreign business people who come here for 1 or 2 years, and they are always very upset when they have to leave to go to their next country. They love the easy lifestyle, and comfort of living.

I'm in Melbourne and it may not be the most spectacular city but like all the other main cities it has a really relaxed atmosphere. Look forward to having you here you won't regret it.

Spooky

Melbourne is very relaxed and the food is tops
pity about our weather though

[AWW - Kevin]

Originally posted by Darkhorse

I live about 4HRS from the Gold Coast, ICQ me if you like.

would you guys stop telling everyone about the Gold Coast
it's perfect as it is...no need to tell everyone and start some
mass migration

btw we are currently sponsoring 2 ppl
if you can find someone to sponsor you first and then apply
for a visa from here, would be the best way to go

[Odin88]

would you guys stop telling everyone about the Gold Coast
it's perfect as it is...no need to tell everyone and start some
mass migration

Don't worry, before you know it the Gold Coast will look like Cabramatta.

One suggestion if your moving to Australia, visit Sydney but don't move here. Sydney is turning into a bigger shithole by the day!

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by Odin88


I hope that was a joke.

Don't you think so?

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by Kevin2


Melbourne is very relaxed and the food is tops
pity about our weather though

Melbourne - miserable one day and worse the next

[Odin88]

Don't you think so?

Let?s see, we have the racial vilification act which outlaws any speech based on race, and certain opinions. This does not just outlaw words like '******' but also certain thoughts - i.e. that the idea of 6 Million Jews dieing in WWII is exaggerated.

Than we have ASIO's new powers, which I am sure you are aware of. I know of two people who have had ASIO raid their house (take their computers, etc) for posting anti-immigration remarks on an internet forum.

Furthermore, ASIO now has the power to arrest people for posting things on the internet (this one is mainly aimed at the Communist groups which organise large-scale protests) which could result in any type of 'violent protest' (yeah, very vague terminology, no?) or links to sites which promote such.

Than we have Pauline Hanson and David Ettridge sitting in gaol. Now, if you don't think they are there because of their opinion read this article from the 'World Socialist Web Site' http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/au...jail-a29.shtml . They are obviously not supporters of her, but if you read the whole article you just might start to realise how corrupt this country is.

I don't know, call me crazy, but I thought Freedom of Speech and Thought, was aimed at protecting unpopular views - not popular ones!

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Odin88


Let?s see, we have the racial vilification act which outlaws any speech based on race, and certain opinions. This does not just outlaw words like '******' but also certain thoughts - i.e. that the idea of 6 Million Jews dieing in WWII is exaggerated.

Than we have ASIO's new powers, which I am sure you are aware of. I know of two people who have had ASIO raid their house (take their computers, etc) for posting anti-immigration remarks on an internet forum.

Furthermore, ASIO now has the power to arrest people for posting things on the internet (this one is mainly aimed at the Communist groups which organise large-scale protests) which could result in any type of 'violent protest' (yeah, very vague terminology, no?) or links to sites which promote such.

Than we have Pauline Hanson and David Ettridge sitting in gaol. Now, if you don't think they are there because of their opinion read this article from the 'World Socialist Web Site' http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/au...jail-a29.shtml . They are obviously not supporters of her, but if you read the whole article you just might start to realise how corrupt this country is.

I don't know, call me crazy, but I thought Freedom of Speech and Thought, was aimed at protecting unpopular views - not popular ones!

We've never had freedom of speech here.. you've been watching too much yank tv.

[Odin88]

We've never had freedom of speech here.. you've been watching too much yank tv.

Yeah, that is what I am saying. He is saying we are still encouraged to have our own opinions here, and I get the feeling he was saying this in contrast to America. I am just letting him know he is wrong.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Odin88


Yeah, that is what I am saying. He is saying we are still encouraged to have our own opinions here, and I get the feeling he was saying this in contrast to America. I am just letting him know he is wrong.

aahh. ok.

It's a funny misconception.

Although i do believe the nationalistic boat/brown people bleating has a helping hand in whats going on here.

It allows howard to get away with all kinds of shit behind the facade of being tough on boat people and irrelevant brown people.

why do you think blair and bush are in deep shit and under serious enquiries, but for the most part aussies don't give a fuck that howard lied through his fucking teeth?

[bhutocracy]

I honestly really don't care about "im not a racist, but" people. There should be as many KKK pages as you want all over the web. It's when people are too fucking stupid to let their predjudices blind them into being screwed that it matters.

No one even remembers how pathetic howard was before s/11 and tampa anymore.

[The Other Steve]

Odin - lighten up mate - I was taking the mickey out of you and it looks like I succeeded

[bhutocracy]

I wish someone would shoot crean in the face and put him out of his misery too.

[AWW - Kevin]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
I wish someone would shoot crean in the face and put him out of his misery too.

don't like howard ?
ok i agree he's not that good, but do we have anyone much better then him in this country?
who?

[Odin88]

Odin - lighten up mate - I was taking the mickey out of you and it looks like I succeeded

Well, I do take it pretty seriously I get. It just pisses me off to see what Sydney has become, and the fact that anyone who questions it is immediatly called a 'racist'.

Sorry if I came off a bit strong, but it is something I am passionate about.

[Odin88]

It allows howard to get away with all kinds of shit behind the facade of being tough on boat people and irrelevant brown people.

Yep, Howard is playing both sides of politics. He plays the working class by letting them think he is tough on immigration, as if he somewhat sides with Pauline Hanson and co, and he plays big business by allowing mass immigration, shrinking of Union power, etc to continue.

Here is a good article I found in the SMH not long ago. It desribes what I said above:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...261151575.html

Sorry for changing the topic of the thread. TeenJump feel free to ask any questions you might have and I will get back to them when I have the time.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by AWW - Kevin


don't like howard ?
ok i agree he's not that good, but do we have anyone much better then him in this country?
who?

seriously... howard should be violently overthrown. the fact that australians willingly and repeatedly bend over to cop another assful from him is testament to our apathy or knee jerk reaction to subtle race card playing.

I would vote for Mark Latham if the chance availed itself.

I would vote for bob carr or brown (because he went to jail protesting, which is more than can be said for most pollies and it would just be surreal - the day australia votes in a gay environmentalist is the day that.. i dunno... hell freezes over.)..
I would vote for beazley too.
I would vote for ANYONE bar who is currently in government.

don't get me wrong.. i know labor is every bit as rotten as the liberals. It's just that it's been many years federally since they've left their rectal tears.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Odin88


Yep, Howard is playing both sides of politics. He plays the working class by letting them think he is tough on immigration, as if he somewhat sides with Pauline Hanson and co, and he plays big business by allowing mass immigration, shrinking of Union power, etc to continue.

Here is a good article I found in the SMH not long ago. It desribes what I said above:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...261151575.html

Sorry for changing the topic of the thread. TeenJump feel free to ask any questions you might have and I will get back to them when I have the time.

EXACTLY.. they call it "dogwhistling" sending out messages in seemingly harmless speeches that only the intended audience hears.. thats why the working class - the very class that has BEEN ASS-FUCKED THE MOST by him loves him even contrary to all rational thought.

[Odin88]

EXACTLY.. they call it "dogwhistling" sending out messages in seemingly harmless speeches that only the intended audience hears.. thats why the working class - the very class that has BEEN ASS-FUCKED THE MOST by him loves him even contrary to all rational thought.

Yep, I agree with you totally. And, although I don't particularly like the Labor party, I would vote for them over Howard any day.

[bhutocracy]

the working class got the LEAST out of the gst tax cuts.
the working class get the LEAST out of the educational reforms.
the working class get the LEAST out of the changes to medicare.

but they sit there mute dumb and stupid gagging for more.

I've seriously stopped caring. honestly. I'm from a blue collar background that has gone through some tough times, but I'm not going to whine on the working classes behalf if they aren't even going to open their eyes for themselves. fuck it.. howard can give me the juiciest tax cuts and benefits for the next seven terms or until he burns a small white orphan.. which is about the only thing the public wouldn't forgive him for while he's posturing about sand ******s and boat people.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Odin88


Yep, I agree with you totally. And, although I don't particularly like the Labor party, I would vote for them over Howard any day.

yep.. i voted for one nation over howard last election.. or was it state election?. I numbered every single one of those bastard 100 odd boxes just to have the pleasure of putting them last personally.

Theres just only so much lying the public should have to take before action is taken. whether you give a hoot about boat people or not the fact that they lied about them chucking kids overboard to push people's buttons should send strong signals to everyone that although you might forgive them this lie, this manipulation, because you agree with it, there will be other lies.. other manipulations that will be against your interests...

[bhutocracy]

ok... it's not that I don't care about the working class. I can't help it, It's my background... I just don't feel sorry or have any empathy for them anymore.. I'm too busy trying to make sure im not one of them and have to line up for the raping because the rest of them are too wilfully mislead to help each other..

[Odin88]

the working class got the LEAST out of the gst tax cuts.
the working class get the LEAST out of the educational reforms.
the working class get the LEAST out of the changes to medicare.

but they sit there mute dumb and stupid gagging for more.

I've seriously stopped caring. honestly. I'm from a blue collar background that has gone through some tough times, but I'm not going to whine on the working classes behalf if they aren't even going to open their eyes for themselves. fuck it.. howard can give me the juiciest tax cuts and benefits for the next seven terms or until he burns a small white orphan.. which is about the only thing the public wouldn't forgive him for while he's posturing about sand ******s and boat people.

I am also from a working class background, and until relatively recently (when I have started making a bit of cash on porn) I worked in a steel factory to pay my way through University.

I remember the day when the Tampa crisis started, and I remember the guys at work saying it 'was about time'. Howard has played on this anti-immigration sentiment ever since, and in that time he has achieved a lot of contradictory things.

(I really should stop wrecking teenjump's thread though. This is the last political post in this thread from me)

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
I wish someone would shoot crean in the face and put him out of his misery too.

Geez and I thought I was the only one here old enough to remember Arthur's little brush with fame in North Sydney.

Says a lot when the only thing people remember about you is that you got shot.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Odin88


I am also from a working class background, and until relatively recently (when I have started making a bit of cash on porn) I worked in a steel factory to pay my way through University.

I remember the day when the Tampa crisis started, and I remember the guys at work saying it 'was about time'. Howard has played on this anti-immigration sentiment ever since, and in that time he has achieved a lot of contradictory things.

(I really should stop wrecking teenjump's thread though. This is the last political post in this thread from me)

yeah.. I just hate seeing people be exploited and fall over themselves gagging for more. At some point I am going to start empathising more with howard than the people he is duping though.. there is only so much wilful personal degredation people can beg for before you can't feel sorry about the pain they are bringing on themselves..
it's like someone in a religion that doesn't believe in blood transfusions dying because he won't accept one. Stiff fucking shit.

great article you posted too btw.

[quiet]

weren't you asking for donations so you could go to school just a couple of days ago? and that you couldn't move out of you mom and dad's house?

[AWW - Kevin]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
the working class got the LEAST out of the gst tax cuts.
the working class get the LEAST out of the educational reforms.
the working class get the LEAST out of the changes to medicare.

ts ts ts
every tried to run your own biz...i know you have/do

it's the businesses that have not been getting the breaks they deserve/need...chicken or the egg..if business does not prosper
it can not look after the workers !

it just dosn't work the other way around, i'd rather have
Homer Simpson as PM then any one from the Labour camp
my last

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by The Other Steve


Geez and I thought I was the only one here old enough to remember Arthur's little brush with fame in North Sydney.

Says a lot when the only thing people remember about you is that you got shot.

nah... im talking simon.. as in simon "I almost single handedly fucked up australia's only real chance of getting rid of howard merely by being my useless moribund lost cause self" crean.

I semi hold latham into account for that as well given his support of crean... but wishing a politician wouldn't look out for themselves is like pissing in the wind.

[The Other Steve]

You know I wouldn't get steamed up about the way the Australian working class views the refo's.

The country has been there done that before. In the early 50's it was the Europeans displaced after the war and in the late 50's and early 60's it was the Italians.

Maybe time has smoothed over some of the wrinkles but I don't think that the Australian working class then was any more accepting of those ethnic groups than the current working class is of today's refugees.

Despite how we like to portray ourselves we really are a very intolerant bunch of pricks.

[oberheimer]

Im going to study there, im leaving in less that one moth.

It´s a great place if you wanna move do it.

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


nah... im talking simon.. as in simon "I almost single handedly fucked up australia's only real chance of getting rid of howard merely by being my useless moribund lost cause self" crean.

I semi hold latham into account for that as well given his support of crean... but wishing a politician wouldn't look out for themselves is like pissing in the wind.

When you said that you wish he'd get shot I thought you were harking back to Caldwell's run in with a would -be assassin.

I actually emailed our local labor member earlier this week and said it was about time they got rid of Crean and Latham woke up to the fact that whatever policies they had Labor would not get elected while Crean was leader.

I also suggested that the electorate had no clue about Labor's policies.

The reply made me feel rather sad for our member - he really is a decent bloke.

His reply just said "Please remember how much work I have put in to the electorate" - I think he already knows that he doesn't have much hope of being re-elected.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by AWW - Kevin


ts ts ts
every tried to run your own biz...i know you have/do

it's the businesses that have not been getting the breaks they deserve/need...chicken or the egg..if business does not prosper
it can not look after the workers !

it just dosn't work the other way around, i'd rather have
Homer Simpson as PM then any one from the Labour camp
my last

If you honestly think that labour (after the 70's) is really any different than the liberals then you need to do a little more reading. They're the same bloody party. The same businesses give the same donations to both parties depending on their likelyhood of getting elected. Labour is traditionally known as the lesser of two evils because they have slight concessions toward the working class and will try and make sure people aren't so poor they have to kill to feed themselves.

Do you know why the australian economy is doing so "well" at the moment?? in a large part it's the reforms introduced by the hawke and keating goverments. such as floating the dollar and whatnot.. the economic cycle is independant to the political cycle. the quality of the economy rarely has anything to do with who is in power unless there is substantitive and direct interference - such as keating's manipulation of interest rates, and howard's property bubble.

businesses don't get breaks??????????
bloody hell kevin. kerry packer paid tax on a 25k income the other year.