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Plan9 · 09-16-2003, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by woodsix
It is funny that you mention what newbies are doing. That is one point I want to make. While the professionals are delivering meaningful value to the customer, the newbies can cause a lot of harm for everyone (so can the professionals, but if they have been around awhile, it is a lot less likely).

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that spamming the whole universe is a great idea to compensate for their lack of experience to give everyone a black eye. Now no one can make any kind of business proposal without hearing SPAM a hundred times.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that throwing up 100 popus on a web page is a good idea. Pop-up blockers didn't even exist 4 years ago.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that being a script kiddie can get them some easy bucks from unsuspecting visitors. Now everyone has some kind of virus scanner, port blocker, or personal firewall.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that bait-and-switch is a good idea for getting some easy money. Now no one trusts any website, except for the major ones. There was a time when a startup website got the benefit of the doubt, now you are guilty until you can prove otherwise.

Professionals do not operate this way. They know this type of behavior is self-defeating and unproductive.

Understand, the web is not an island or a vacuum. It is an interconnected worldwide network of computers. You can spread bad just as easily as good almost instantaneously, with or without experience.

My advice, it makes no sense to encourage the inexperienced and naive to offer a porn website with promises of easy money. All it does is make it harder on everyone.

'Newbies' can bring tons of fresh ideas to a stagnant business. often times it takes someone from the outside looking in with a brand new outlook to change things for the better. And just because someone is a newbie doesn't make them a spamming asshole, or an idiot, like you seem so eager to make it seem. Plenty of non-newbie webmasters still use these tactics, with greater prevelance and maliciousness.

By the way, your last paragraph is especially funny. WHO exactly is promising newbies easy money? Im still relatively new, and I came into the business with no delusions, that it would be a tough career just like anything else. I think the people promising easy money are, and have been, long gone.

woodsix · 09-16-2003, 06:54 PM

This is a quick note about the mortgage re-fi bubble...

Back in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone was starting a mortgage re-fi company because rates started dropping. And they kept droppping. So people kept opening new companies because there was so much room to drop rates, which means a lot of potential business. You kept hearing things like limitless potential, low barriers to entry, and everyone is welcome (to start a business).

However, once the Fed stopped lowering rates, and everyone had refinanced their mortgages, business started drying up and a lot of those refinancing companies went right out of business.

Only the businesses that started in the beginning that built up loyal customers and cash reserves were able to last. Even then, a lot of older companies went bankrupt because they got complacent or lost their focus.

It is never good to get in on a bubble when everyone is encouraging you to do so. If everyone is already in the biz (that wants to be), how can you make any money?

My advice: If you are new to the biz, get a partner or a mentor that knows what they are doing.

Carrie · 09-16-2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodsix
It is funny that you mention what newbies are doing. That is one point I want to make. While the professionals are delivering meaningful value to the customer, the newbies can cause a lot of harm for everyone (so can the professionals, but if they have been around awhile, it is a lot less likely).

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that spamming the whole universe is a great idea to compensate for their lack of experience to give everyone a black eye. Now no one can make any kind of business proposal without hearing SPAM a hundred times.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that throwing up 100 popus on a web page is a good idea. Pop-up blockers didn't even exist 4 years ago.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that being a script kiddie can get them some easy bucks from unsuspecting visitors. Now everyone has some kind of virus scanner, port blocker, or personal firewall.

All you need is a newbie to get the idea that bait-and-switch is a good idea for getting some easy money. Now no one trusts any website, except for the major ones. There was a time when a startup website got the benefit of the doubt, now you are guilty until you can prove otherwise.

Professionals do not operate this way. They know this type of behavior is self-defeating and unproductive.

Understand, the web is not an island or a vacuum. It is an interconnected worldwide network of computers. You can spread bad just as easily as good almost instantaneously, with or without experience.

My advice, it makes no sense to encourage the inexperienced and naive to offer a porn website with promises of easy money. All it does is make it harder on everyone.

This is hilarious.
WHO do you think it was that started spamming porn?
WHO do you think it was that started popups?
WHO do you think it was that used auto-bookmarkers and auto-downloaders?
WHO do you think it was that brought the Visa crackdown with their bullshit bait-and-switch tactics of pre-checked cross-sales, fake trials, triple billing on signup etc?

It's the "professionals" whose asses you're trying to lick right now and who have been scrambling for the past 6 months to get their shit straight before they go out of business.

It ain't the newbies that have been - and still are - using the tactics described above to pay out $40+ per signup on a $2 join... it's the people you're praising as "professionals".

BVF · 09-17-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by foulfowl
Stop? I'm making too much money with www.foulfowl.com

How the fuck are you making too much money? For one, you're nothing but a clone of me...The only reason I ever heard of you was when I did a google search on MY domain and I saw a comment you made about me on your site...For two, you get less than 50 hits a day to your site...and three, how in the fuck are you making money WHEN YOUR CCBILL ACCOUNT HAS BEEN DEACTIVATED FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS? You just had to get a new host three weeks ago because you tried to go the el cheapo route in hosting and got with a host that didn't allow adult content...

See, you might have not noticed but after you click through after your join page, it clarly says that your account has been deactivated....Don't believe me? Click the credit card button on your join page idiot... http://www.foulfowl.com/ccbill/ .....And back when you actually had an active ccbill account, you couldn't even afford to pay the 750 visa fee so all you were taking was mastercard and discover...We all know that visa is at least 80% of credit card sales....So how is that you're making so much money on a 50 hits a day site with a deactivated ccbill account?

I wondered how long you were going to keep asking people to join up on your site without realizing that you can't even accept signups...You know how? It's because you didn't expect to get any sales in the first place so you would never bother to check to see what was up with your signups....

See, with me, I would know something was up with my shit within 24 hours because I expect to make SALES every day...If something went wrong, I'd know it immediately...

Get off my dick newb....You're not the first nor the last dumb ass nigga who thinks that all it takes is to pick a crackhead up off of the streets and point a camera at her...It's way more than that...

You're nothing but a copying hoecake who will never gain any respect nor any money in this biz....You don't even have a fucking clue about the internet porn biz and you don't even realize it.

You call yourself "Johnny Dough" yet you have none....hmmmmm

foulfowl · 09-17-2003, 10:09 AM

www.foulfowl.com

Damn, thanks for the info. Gotta get that fixed. hahaha who's the hoecake though? It's just that I have incum cumming in from so many sources, didn't even realize I was missing Dough from foulfowl.com Yeah, I have a life, don't even check that site everyday, just maybe twice a week. Nice to know you're checking out my site dumbnigga.

BVF · 09-17-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by foulfowl
www.foulfowl.com

Damn, thanks for the info. Gotta get that fixed. hahaha who's the hoecake though? It's just that I have incum cumming in from so many sources, didn't even realize I was missing Dough from foulfowl.com Yeah, I have a life, don't even check that site everyday, just maybe twice a week. Nice to know you're checking out my site dumbnigga.

who's the dumb nigga when you just said that you make TOO MUCH money from your site? Then once it's pointed out that you don't even have a biller, you cover it up by saying that you didn't even realize you're missing dough from the site..

You didn't miss the weekly checks you're supposed to get from ccbill? I would...Who's the dumb nigga now

dirtyone · 09-17-2003, 10:16 AM

foulfowl · 09-17-2003, 10:19 AM

Somebody, get this guy some help. Tell him to leave me alone. Stop being so jealous, there's enough money out there for everyone. I'm enjoying mine. I'm outta here, gotta catch a flight. Going to vegas to do a lil gambling.

foulfowl · 09-17-2003, 10:21 AM

hahahaha, Dirtyone, I like the Fowl.
hahahaha

BVF · 09-17-2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by foulfowl
Somebody, get this guy some help. Tell him to leave me alone. Stop being so jealous, there's enough money out there for everyone. I'm enjoying mine. I'm outta here, gotta catch a flight. Going to vegas to do a lil gambling.

yep i'm jealous....i'm jealous of you because you DON'T receive a ccbill check in your mailbox every week...I'm jealous of a man who I would have never heard of if he didn't contact me FIRST...

Go make some copies for your boss....you and I both know you're not going to vegas...and if you are, wait until january and come see me face to face at the internext convention...that is if you can afford it

foulfowl · 09-17-2003, 10:26 AM

wait until january and come see me face to face at the internext convention:

I'll see you there, with a bitch on each of my arms.

Until then, like I said, I got a plane to catch. Wish me luck....dumbass!

TrashMan · 10-07-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BVF

yep i'm jealous....i'm jealous of you because you DON'T receive a ccbill check in your mailbox every week...I'm jealous of a man who I would have never heard of if he didn't contact me FIRST...

Go make some copies for your boss....you and I both know you're not going to vegas...and if you are, wait until january and come see me face to face at the internext convention...that is if you can afford it

Nigga i'll dam sure be there and i hope like muthafuckin' hell i run into your sweet candy coated ass.. fuck nigga your site is lame, you played the fuck out and ooh yeah i'm fuckin' your baby mother........
*************.com

clubsexy · 10-07-2003, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoz
Tell me about it. A year ago I made $4000 monthly by submitting TGP galleries, now it's more like $400.

Traffic sucks, sponsor conversions suck, I suck.

I feel the same way for sure!

TheFLY · 10-07-2003, 02:09 PM

foulfowl · 01-13-2004, 01:58 PM

Well, like I said....I would be there and I was. I didn't see BVF though, but that doesn't suprise me.

-JohnJuan
www.foulfowl.com

timboss · 01-13-2004, 02:53 PM

you just need someone who can Market your sites..

see my sig

Carrie · 01-13-2004, 03:05 PM

The consolidation and shakedown aren't coming, Sherlock... we're already IN it.

Edit: damnit I hate bumped old threads.

GermanTrashMan · 09-05-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

How the fuck are you making too much money? For one, you're nothing but a clone of me...The only reason I ever heard of you was when I did a google search on MY domain and I saw a comment you made about me on your site...For two, you get less than 50 hits a day to your site...and three, how in the fuck are you making money WHEN YOUR CCBILL ACCOUNT HAS BEEN DEACTIVATED FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS? You just had to get a new host three weeks ago because you tried to go the el cheapo route in hosting and got with a host that didn't allow adult content...

See, you might have not noticed but after you click through after your join page, it clarly says that your account has been deactivated....Don't believe me? Click the credit card button on your join page idiot... http://www.foulfowl.com/ccbill/ .....And back when you actually had an active ccbill account, you couldn't even afford to pay the 750 visa fee so all you were taking was mastercard and discover...We all know that visa is at least 80% of credit card sales....So how is that you're making so much money on a 50 hits a day site with a deactivated ccbill account?

I wondered how long you were going to keep asking people to join up on your site without realizing that you can't even accept signups...You know how? It's because you didn't expect to get any sales in the first place so you would never bother to check to see what was up with your signups....

See, with me, I would know something was up with my shit within 24 hours because I expect to make SALES every day...If something went wrong, I'd know it immediately...

Get off my dick newb....You're not the first nor the last dumb ass nigga who thinks that all it takes is to pick a crackhead up off of the streets and point a camera at her...It's way more than that...

You're nothing but a copying hoecake who will never gain any respect nor any money in this biz....You don't even have a fucking clue about the internet porn biz and you don't even realize it.

You call yourself "Johnny Dough" yet you have none....hmmmmm

niggah please!!

scottybuzz · 09-05-2006, 03:58 PM

mmmmmmmmmmajor bumpage baby!

he-fox · 09-05-2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodsix

Understand, the web is not an island or a vacuum. It is an interconnected worldwide network of computers. You can spread bad just as easily as good almost instantaneously, with or without experience.

No shit, Sherlock!

JD · 09-05-2006, 04:20 PM

wow.....i just read this thread.....it's fucking 3 years old...

BlackIraqMan · 01-09-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

wow.....i just read this thread.....it's fucking 3 years old...

sad to say, he still looking for a way to snitch on people.. sad

BlackIraqMan · 01-09-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

mmmmmmmmmmajor bumpage baby!

lol fuckin snitch

pizzaid · 01-09-2008, 05:44 PM

if you have'nt been in this indust its hard to make the real money them times are gone uncle sam wants his cut.......

VicD · 01-09-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foulfowl

Stop? I'm making too much money with www.foulfowl.com

with those ugly bitches

Nicky · 01-09-2008, 06:04 PM

lol 4,5 year old thread and can ya imagine people are still making money in this biz

seeric · 01-09-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackIraqMan

sad to say, he still looking for a way to snitch on people.. sad

why on earth would you bump this thread?

01-13-2004, 02:53 PM	#66
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09-05-2006, 03:58 PM	#69
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01-09-2008, 05:44 PM	#74
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01-09-2008, 06:04 PM	#76
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	lol 4,5 year old thread and can ya imagine people are still making money in this biz __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

09-16-2003, 06:54 PM	#52
woodsix So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 134	This is a quick note about the mortgage re-fi bubble... Back in the early 90s, it seemed like everyone was starting a mortgage re-fi company because rates started dropping. And they kept droppping. So people kept opening new companies because there was so much room to drop rates, which means a lot of potential business. You kept hearing things like limitless potential, low barriers to entry, and everyone is welcome (to start a business). However, once the Fed stopped lowering rates, and everyone had refinanced their mortgages, business started drying up and a lot of those refinancing companies went right out of business. Only the businesses that started in the beginning that built up loyal customers and cash reserves were able to last. Even then, a lot of older companies went bankrupt because they got complacent or lost their focus. It is never good to get in on a bubble when everyone is encouraging you to do so. If everyone is already in the biz (that wants to be), how can you make any money? My advice: If you are new to the biz, get a partner or a mentor that knows what they are doing.

09-17-2003, 10:09 AM	#55
foulfowl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Detroit Summers/Miami Winters Posts: 300	www.foulfowl.com Damn, thanks for the info. Gotta get that fixed. hahaha who's the hoecake though? It's just that I have incum cumming in from so many sources, didn't even realize I was missing Dough from foulfowl.com Yeah, I have a life, don't even check that site everyday, just maybe twice a week. Nice to know you're checking out my site dumbnigga.

09-17-2003, 10:16 AM	#57
dirtyone Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: God's Country (Georgia) Posts: 3,706

09-17-2003, 10:19 AM	#58
foulfowl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Detroit Summers/Miami Winters Posts: 300	Somebody, get this guy some help. Tell him to leave me alone. Stop being so jealous, there's enough money out there for everyone. I'm enjoying mine. I'm outta here, gotta catch a flight. Going to vegas to do a lil gambling.

09-17-2003, 10:21 AM	#59
foulfowl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Detroit Summers/Miami Winters Posts: 300	hahahaha, Dirtyone, I like the Fowl. hahahaha

09-17-2003, 10:26 AM	#61
foulfowl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Detroit Summers/Miami Winters Posts: 300	wait until january and come see me face to face at the internext convention: I'll see you there, with a bitch on each of my arms. Until then, like I said, I got a plane to catch. Wish me luck....dumbass!

10-07-2003, 02:09 PM	#64
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	<img src="http://www.superlaugh.com/fun/talkhand.jpg">

01-13-2004, 01:58 PM	#65
foulfowl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Detroit Summers/Miami Winters Posts: 300	Well, like I said....I would be there and I was. I didn't see BVF though, but that doesn't suprise me. -JohnJuan www.foulfowl.com

01-13-2004, 03:05 PM	#67
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	The consolidation and shakedown aren't coming, Sherlock... we're already IN it. Edit: damnit I hate bumped old threads.

09-05-2006, 04:20 PM	#71
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	wow.....i just read this thread.....it's fucking 3 years old...