KARAOKE DEATH!!! Bar sued for singing copyrighted material - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 09-11-2003, 09:16 AM

http://www.theindychannel.com/entert...70/detail.html

If this don't beat all! Now they can sue you for Karaoke night and force you to pay a fee for singing a song.

This is getting ridiculous.

DarkJedi · 09-11-2003, 09:19 AM

thats so fuckig stupid

Fletch XXX · 09-11-2003, 09:21 AM

What so ridiculous about using material without a license to?

Fuck it nevermind, im rocking out to the Cult (Lil Devil) about to wrap up some morning work and smoke a big fat bowl.

fuck the boards

hahaha

Gunni · 09-11-2003, 09:32 AM

That is stupid!!
Don't the bars have to pay lots for the CD's (or what ever they use) in the first place?

Katlicious72 · 09-11-2003, 09:35 AM

Well I wonder how much it'll cost for me to sing Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" ?

Hard times! hard times!

krazyone · 09-11-2003, 09:48 AM

what retards

XxXotic · 09-11-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Katlicious72
Well I wonder how much it'll cost for me to sing Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" ?

Hard times! hard times!

just throw whitney some rock and it's all good

Carrie · 09-11-2003, 09:50 AM

Hrrmm.
Let's start cracking down now for something that's been around for nearly 20 years.

Seems like they're taking a cue from Acacia.

krazyone · 09-11-2003, 09:53 AM

what idiots

smack · 09-11-2003, 09:59 AM

good.

I HATE KARAOKE!

beemk · 09-11-2003, 10:00 AM

wouldnt that be the same as suing a dj for playing a song in a club?

Baal · 09-11-2003, 10:05 AM

Some quotes from the article:

"New York-based BMI is a performance rights organization that collects license fees on behalf of songwriters when their music is played on radio, TV, the Internet, or is performed publicly. "...
""These businesses are using the music to draw in people to eat and drink," he added. "...
"Parrotheads would likely have to pay annual license fees of about $1,000, said Jerry Bailey, a spokesman for BMI."

So this lawsuit, if successful, would make it illegal for bars and clubs to play music w/o paying a $1,000 license fee PER SONG, would make jukeboxes illegal if they don't pay the fees per song, would make playing your stereo loud enought for anyone else to hear illegal w/o paying per song, and would make it illegal to hum or sing a tune w/o paying. These are *all* public performances, after all.

Let's all be happy that stores that play elevator music usually purchase the music from collections that include a license fee. Elevator music for everyone!

Hmm, if I hum a tune in a forest and nobody hears, do I make an infringing sound?

gornyhuy · 09-11-2003, 10:11 AM

Dear Mr. Baal,
My client, Gornyhuy, has asked me to inform you that he holds the copyright to the question "Hmm, if I hum a tune in a forest and nobody hears, do I make an infringing sound?" Please cease and desist using this question in the future, or we will be forced to avail ourselves of any legal recourse which will compensate my client for his losses due to your negligent and unlicensed use of his intellectual property.

Best Regards,
A. Torney

Katlicious72 · 09-11-2003, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxXotic
just throw whitney some rock and it's all good

LOL, yeah it's Crackalicious whore paradiso in that hizouse!

cluck · 09-11-2003, 10:16 AM

The world is getting stupider and stupider.

and stupider and stupider.
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Seriously, if this kind of shit continues I don't think there's any reason I shouldn't commit suicide. If there's a god out there, he's a right bastard for letting his creation go retarded.

Greg B · 09-11-2003, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gunni
That is stupid!!
Don't the bars have to pay lots for the CD's (or what ever they use) in the first place?

Exactly! If they're singing to background music, didn't they have to buy it in the first place?

This is part of the 'frivilous lawsuit' craze that's fucked this country up since the late 60s.

Everybody is out to make money by finding a reason to file a lawsuit. I've had to handle this type of thing for years. Yet don't fret because there's a big danger in filing dumbass lawsuits.

Thanks goodness we've got the checks and balances to stop and penalize people for initiating such vindictive and suppressive actions in court.

Greg B · 09-11-2003, 10:33 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/int....ap/index.html

No sooner posted than hit the headlines!

This CNN story focuses on the backlash from the RIAA lawsuits.

Of note here is the PUBLIC choosing not to buy the high priced CDs and the PUBLIC's complaint of stores not offering enough varied music choices.

How many times have we heard that??? Decades and decades of radio stations not playing the 'new' guy til the PEOPLE buck the system, make the guy popular and then the radio stations play him. From Little Richard to heavy metal to rap it's the same story over and over again.

This time the story is gonna be different. The PEOPLE will make that difference with these heavy handed tactics.

FlyingIguana · 09-11-2003, 10:47 AM

don't sing too loud in the shower

dinkz · 09-11-2003, 10:48 AM

Total banane

Fletch XXX · 09-11-2003, 10:50 AM

Do you people not realize their is a different license between jukebox and karaoke?

Geez I know half of you arent even old enough to drink let alone be in a bar, but get real.

You cant do karaoke without paying the license fees on the music.

Just because they sell bootleg karaoke on ebay doesnt mean a bar can just use the music.

Im not arguing whether its right or wrong, but there IS a difference.

Fletch XXX · 09-11-2003, 10:51 AM

'In a lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis, Broadcast Music Inc. alleges an eastside bar violated copyright laws by hosting karaoke and live music shows without paying licensing fees to use popular songs.'

its simple.

Adulter · 09-11-2003, 10:58 AM

haha... that's very nice..

I hate karaoke

butcherboy · 09-11-2003, 11:09 AM

That's ridiculous!

Sooner they want to charge us if we just sing under shower...

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2003, 11:10 AM

Good karaoke sucks anyways !

brand0n · 09-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxXotic
just throw whitney some rock and it's all good

im not sayin shes a crackhead.. just crackish

Doctor Dre · 09-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Ever heard of a Single ? single = free for use as long as there is no modification .
On a single CD therei s the main track, the beat and sometimes few remixes and shit . This can be played on radio and everywhere withotu worrying . Other tracks on a cd are fully copyrighted . But if you play a single in a club you are legal .

Quote:

Originally posted by Baal
Some quotes from the article:

"New York-based BMI is a performance rights organization that collects license fees on behalf of songwriters when their music is played on radio, TV, the Internet, or is performed publicly. "...
""These businesses are using the music to draw in people to eat and drink," he added. "...
"Parrotheads would likely have to pay annual license fees of about $1,000, said Jerry Bailey, a spokesman for BMI."

So this lawsuit, if successful, would make it illegal for bars and clubs to play music w/o paying a $1,000 license fee PER SONG, would make jukeboxes illegal if they don't pay the fees per song, would make playing your stereo loud enought for anyone else to hear illegal w/o paying per song, and would make it illegal to hum or sing a tune w/o paying. These are *all* public performances, after all.

Let's all be happy that stores that play elevator music usually purchase the music from collections that include a license fee. Elevator music for everyone!

Hmm, if I hum a tune in a forest and nobody hears, do I make an infringing sound?

Furious_Female · 09-11-2003, 11:36 AM

I always thought it was only illegal to use copyrighted material if you redistribute copies of it or sell it without consent/licensing.

damn, I have to read those FBI warnings more closely before the movie comes on!

Fletch XXX · 09-11-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

On a single CD therei s the main track, the beat and sometimes few remixes and shit . This can be played on radio and everywhere withotu worrying .

If you say so.

Greg B · 09-11-2003, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Ever heard of a Single ? single = free for use as long as there is no modification .
On a single CD therei s the main track, the beat and sometimes few remixes and shit . This can be played on radio and everywhere withotu worrying . Other tracks on a cd are fully copyrighted . But if you play a single in a club you are legal .

Well said!!! I say we REVOLT. Tell the music companies to PAY US to listen to their stuff.

They want my club to play their tunes...Fuck You, Pay Me!

They want my radio station to play their tunes....Fuck You, Pay Me!

They want me to allow my kids to listen to their stuff...etc. etc. etc. yadda yadda yadda.

Hairetsu · 09-11-2003, 11:40 AM

This shit is getting fucking rediculas.

Fletch XXX · 09-11-2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg B

Well said!!! I say we REVOLT.

What makes you think an 'instrumental or accapella version' of a song is copyright and license free?

Thats the dumbest things Ive heard all day.

hahahah

KRL · 09-11-2003, 11:42 AM

A song is someone's legally protected intellectual property and they have every right to be paid for its use.

playa · 09-11-2003, 11:51 AM

I do believe that there is a commerical and a personal purchase price for a Karaoke CD.(You Know they had to pay the record company to sing the songs in American Idol)

You should pay an extra price if your using it for a profit business

Very similar to Pay Per View shows, You don't think that the same bar paid the same price as you did to watch the fight at home.

09-11-2003, 09:16 AM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	KARAOKE DEATH!!! Bar sued for singing copyrighted material http://www.theindychannel.com/entert...70/detail.html If this don't beat all! Now they can sue you for Karaoke night and force you to pay a fee for singing a song. This is getting ridiculous.

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	What so ridiculous about using material without a license to? Fuck it nevermind, im rocking out to the Cult (Lil Devil) about to wrap up some morning work and smoke a big fat bowl. fuck the boards hahaha __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	That is stupid!! Don't the bars have to pay lots for the CD's (or what ever they use) in the first place?

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Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Hrrmm. Let's start cracking down now for something that's been around for nearly 20 years. Seems like they're taking a cue from Acacia.

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Baal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 696	Some quotes from the article: "New York-based BMI is a performance rights organization that collects license fees on behalf of songwriters when their music is played on radio, TV, the Internet, or is performed publicly. "... ""These businesses are using the music to draw in people to eat and drink," he added. "... "Parrotheads would likely have to pay annual license fees of about $1,000, said Jerry Bailey, a spokesman for BMI." So this lawsuit, if successful, would make it illegal for bars and clubs to play music w/o paying a $1,000 license fee PER SONG, would make jukeboxes illegal if they don't pay the fees per song, would make playing your stereo loud enought for anyone else to hear illegal w/o paying per song, and would make it illegal to hum or sing a tune w/o paying. These are all public performances, after all. Let's all be happy that stores that play elevator music usually purchase the music from collections that include a license fee. Elevator music for everyone! Hmm, if I hum a tune in a forest and nobody hears, do I make an infringing sound?

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gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	Dear Mr. Baal, My client, Gornyhuy, has asked me to inform you that he holds the copyright to the question "Hmm, if I hum a tune in a forest and nobody hears, do I make an infringing sound?" Please cease and desist using this question in the future, or we will be forced to avail ourselves of any legal recourse which will compensate my client for his losses due to your negligent and unlicensed use of his intellectual property. Best Regards, A. Torney __________________ icq:159548293

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cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	The world is getting stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. and stupider and stupider. Seriously, if this kind of shit continues I don't think there's any reason I shouldn't commit suicide. If there's a god out there, he's a right bastard for letting his creation go retarded. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/int....ap/index.html No sooner posted than hit the headlines! This CNN story focuses on the backlash from the RIAA lawsuits. Of note here is the PUBLIC choosing not to buy the high priced CDs and the PUBLIC's complaint of stores not offering enough varied music choices. How many times have we heard that??? Decades and decades of radio stations not playing the 'new' guy til the PEOPLE buck the system, make the guy popular and then the radio stations play him. From Little Richard to heavy metal to rap it's the same story over and over again. This time the story is gonna be different. The PEOPLE will make that difference with these heavy handed tactics.

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Do you people not realize their is a different license between jukebox and karaoke? Geez I know half of you arent even old enough to drink let alone be in a bar, but get real. You cant do karaoke without paying the license fees on the music. Just because they sell bootleg karaoke on ebay doesnt mean a bar can just use the music. Im not arguing whether its right or wrong, but there IS a difference. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	'In a lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis, Broadcast Music Inc. alleges an eastside bar violated copyright laws by hosting karaoke and live music shows without paying licensing fees to use popular songs.' its simple. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	I do believe that there is a commerical and a personal purchase price for a Karaoke CD.(You Know they had to pay the record company to sing the songs in American Idol) You should pay an extra price if your using it for a profit business Very similar to Pay Per View shows, You don't think that the same bar paid the same price as you did to watch the fight at home.