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Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 05:53 AM

State Department warns of "increased indications" that al Qaeda is preparing attacks on U.S. interests to coincide with 9/11 anniversary. Details soon.

www.cnn.com

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 05:56 AM

Joe,

Do you believe them or do you think US Gov is blowing smoke up the US public's asses? ;-) ;-)

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 05:58 AM

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Joe,

Do you believe them or do you think US Gov is blowing smoke up the US public's asses? ;-) ;-)

Right now, I wouldn't have a clue.

EscortBiz · 09-11-2003, 05:59 AM

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Right now, I wouldn't have a clue.

Right now you reached post 500, congrats :-)

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:00 AM

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Right now you reached post 500, congrats :-)

He'll be back ;-)

connectionnouser · 09-11-2003, 06:02 AM

Just got the breaking news email through also..

Bit worrying, but I dont think the US goverment should release info like this. there is making sure people are prepared..
BUT
there this sort of stuff creates more terror in people.

my

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:02 AM

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Right now you reached post 500, congrats :-)

Thanks!

Although I'd be about 4400 posts about now if I was still Joe Sixpack.!

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:04 AM

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Right now, I wouldn't have a clue.

I figured. It must be pretty difficult for you. Trying to balance your hope that someone smuggles a suitcase bomb into the US vs. your belief that the US government is involved in a constant and unrelenting propaganda campaign.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:05 AM

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I dont think the US goverment should release info like this.

If they didn't and there was an attack, people would complain they weren't warned.

connectionnouser · 09-11-2003, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

If they didn't and there was an attack, people would complain they weren't warned.

That is also true

quiet · 09-11-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

Thanks!

Although I'd be about 4400 posts about now if I was still Joe Sixpack.!

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

I figured. It must be pretty difficult for you. Trying to balance your hope that someone smuggles a suitcase bomb into the US vs. your belief that the US government is involved in a constant and unrelenting propaganda campaign.

The US government IS involved in a constant and unrelenting propaganda campaign. I seem to remember something about weapons of mass destruction...

And the suitcase nuke thing is inevitable. Next twenty years for sure.

justsexxx · 09-11-2003, 06:09 AM

You believe it? Bush also says there are WMD in Iraq(still he says that)

Andre

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:09 AM

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Cheers bro.

theking · 09-11-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

The US government IS involved in a constant and unrelenting propaganda campaign. I seem to remember something about weapons of mass destruction...

And the suitcase nuke thing is inevitable. Next twenty years for sure.

Question...what do you think the US response would be if a nuke is ever detonated in a US city?

EscortBiz · 09-11-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Question...what do you think the US response would be if a nuke is ever detonated in a US city?

If bush is still president the response is, I need abother $689 Billion right now, we need to take over this island and that will solve all problems.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Question...what do you think the US response would be if a nuke is ever detonated in a US city?

Depends on if they really knew who detonated it or if they simply use it as an excuse to wage war on a country for economic or other reasons.

I think any country is entitled to retaliate after a direct attack however I don't like knee-jerk military responses.

I don't think that answered your question but I suspect they would respond in kind.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:18 AM

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If bush is still president the response is, I need abother $689 Billion right now, we need to take over this island and that will solve all problems.

Won't matter who is president. Americans would be so bloodthirsty that total war against the nations of the Middle East would not be out of the question. "For us or against us" Redux.

I think there would be massive escalation.

kmanrox · 09-11-2003, 06:18 AM

did it really take the state dept. to figure this out??

cummon now

EscortBiz · 09-11-2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Question...what do you think the US response would be if a nuke is ever detonated in a US city?

First they will claim its not the work of terrorist but rather a sewer system thats backed up, and the fact that people are dieing all over the place its simply because they cant take a shit.

Thats the fuckin problem, we are always lied to!

EscortBiz · 09-11-2003, 06:20 AM

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did it really take the state dept. to figure this out??

cummon now

No it took a early morning call from Bush that said "look what if something happens the homeland security dep. said there is no threat? Lets have the State Dep. say there is a threat so we have it all covered"

and bang CNN reports it,

theking · 09-11-2003, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

Depends on if they really knew who detonated it or if they simply use it as an excuse to wage war on a country for economic or other reasons.

I think any country is entitled to retaliate after a direct attack however I don't like knee-jerk military responses.

Since it is just speculation...lets assume that it was linked to muslim terrorists...I personally believe that the response would be to turn a major portion of the muslim world to glass...and I believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans would demand this of our government. My point is this...it will not pay for anyone to keep fucking around with the USA...at some point we will become pissed.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Since it is just speculation...lets assume that it was linked to muslim terrorists...I personally believe that the response would be to turn a major portion of the muslim world to glass...and I believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans would demand this of our government. My point is this...it will not pay for anyone to keep fucking around with the USA...at some point we will become pissed.

If that happens then the terrorists will have won.

How do you think that will affect your stockmarket and subsequently the world economy? How would it ever recover with the threat of another attack. You can't kill every fanaticial muslim on the planet - they're in every country.

Muslim terrorists have nothing to lose. They want to die. Always be afraid of those with absolutely nothing to lose... especially if you are someone that does.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:32 AM

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I believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans would demand this of our government.

I believe this too. Rather, it might be more like 60-70% that demand it but they will be much louder than the voices against. Of course, any leader has a great influence on how the people of a nation respond and react to a crisis so it's possible that someone could moderate the bloodthirsty.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

If that happens then the terrorists will have won.

Osama has already caused the unity of the western world to erode. You are a part of it too.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:37 AM

How would you want Australia to respond to a suitcase nuke activated in Brisbane, Joe?

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:39 AM

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Osama has already caused the unity of the western world to erode. You are a part of it too.

Well perhaps we should have been a little more altruistic and a little less greedy. Maybe we have brought it all on ourselves after all... just like the Romans.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:41 AM

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How would you want Australia to respond to a suitcase nuke activated in Brisbane, Joe?

I live ten minutes drive from the centre of the city. I'd be dead or dying. I suspect under those circumstances I wouldn't care.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:42 AM

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I live ten minutes drive from the centre of the city. I'd be dead or dying. I suspect under those circumstances I wouldn't care.

Make it Melbourne then.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

Well perhaps we should have been a little more altruistic and a little less greedy. Maybe we have brought it all on ourselves after all... just like the Romans.

How do you think "less greed" would appease the Osama Bin Laden's of the world; people that believe that if you are an infidel you should be killed?

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Make it Melbourne then.

I guess it would depend on who did it and why.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

I guess it would depend on who did it and why.

Osama and you learn he's in Sudan.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

How do you think "less greed" would appease the Osama Bin Laden's of the world; people that believe that if you are an infidel you should be killed?

I think economic imperialism and the exploitation of the third world has a lot to do with why this is happening. That and US support, economically and otherwise, of Israel. And I've gotta admit if I was a muslim that would piss me off.

theking · 09-11-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

If that happens then the terrorists will have won.

How do you think that will affect your stockmarket and subsequently the world economy? How would it ever recover with the threat of another attack. You can't kill every fanaticial muslim on the planet - they're in every country.

Muslim terrorists have nothing to lose. They want to die. Always be afraid of those with absolutely nothing to lose... especially if you are someone that does.

Americans are not afraid to die and this has been proven through out the history of America...and Americans will gladly oblige those that want to die. As for the stockmarket and world economy...if you recall there has been a few major conflicts that the US has been involved in and the economy recovered. As an example.

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A few of my bookmarks:

US debt: http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

Great site for GDP data.
http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/nipaweb/Ta...=2003&Freq=Qtr

For example, Look up 1945 on both pages.
Debt 258.7 billion
GDP 223.0 billion

So you can see the debt/gdp ratio was actually higher in 1945 than it is today (It ballooned from pre-war figure of about 43% to greater than 100% by end of war )

In 1950, it was still 87%.

And yet the years after the war the economy boomed and the '50's (even with another war) were very good years.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

Osama and you learn he's in Sudan.

I would probably want him dead. I know you want me to say I'd want to nuke Sudan... and who knows, I might.

But Australia doesn't have any nukes.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by theking
Americans are not afraid to die and this has been proven through out the history of America...and Americans will gladly oblige those that want to die.

Many Americans are afraid to die. Maybe some aren't... but do they think they're going to get 40 virgins when they die and go to paradise as a martyr? Probably not.

Suicide attacks are not really part of the culture of the Western world. Fanatical muslims REALLY want to die for their religion.

quiet · 09-11-2003, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average
Suicide attacks are not really part of the culture of the Western world. Fanatical muslims REALLY want to die for their religion.

yep

theking · 09-11-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

Many Americans are afraid to die. Maybe some aren't... but do they think they're going to get 40 virgins when they die and go to paradise as a martyr? Probably not.

Suicide attacks are not really part of the culture of the Western world. Fanatical muslims REALLY want to die for their religion.

Americans are willing to die for their country (and this has been proven throught out the history of the country)...and may be even as fanatical about their country as the muslims are about their religion.

The Japanese were just as fanatical as the muslims and just as willing to die and we obliged them.

In addition some US military operations have been deemed "sucide missions" and the boys did their duty. There have been military units ordered to stand and fight knowing that they would be overwhelmed...and they stood and fought.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

I would probably want him dead. I know you want me to say I'd want to nuke Sudan... and who knows, I might.

But Australia doesn't have any nukes.

The bottom line is that you would want Australia to meet such an action with an incredibly strong response; just the same as any American, Russian, or German would.

So here's the deal. You want Osama dead? Sudan would say that it would be a violation of their national sovereignty for Australia to act on their territory. What next? Go to the UN? One of the security council members will veto claiming that there must be a peaceful resolution possible with Sudan. Sudan doesn't budge.

That's the way the world works. Read the history of the UN Security Council. How many times has it managed not to veto on military action? Gulf War is the only one I know of and that was right after Russia was collapsing and everyone was feeling pretty united for once. That is the way the world works.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 07:27 AM

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Americans are willing to die for their country (and this has been proven throught out the history of the country)...and may be even as fanatical about their country as the muslims are about their religion.

I don't agree. I think you're being somewhat idealistic.

I think people these days understand that wars are fought largely for economic reasons not for principles or ideology.

Who wants to die so some rich bastard can get even richer?

theking · 09-11-2003, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

I don't agree. I think you're being somewhat idealistic.

I think people these days understand that wars are fought largely for economic reasons not for principles or ideology.

Who wants to die so some rich bastard can get even richer?

You disagree because you are not an American and do not understand the American psychic. Remember you are the one that could not understand why Americans get so upset about the desecration of the Flag...and rave about being patriotic. Of course when I say "Americans" I am referring to the majority not the entire population.

ADL Colin · 09-11-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

I think economic imperialism and the exploitation of the third world has a lot to do with why this is happening. That and US support, economically and otherwise, of Israel. And I've gotta admit if I was a muslim that would piss me off.

Joe,

Why is it you claim to so easily see the propaganda of others but not that on yourself? Muslim countries bailed out on a number of agreements and proposed agreements with the US in the 1950's. Only in 1967 did the US become a strong military supporter of Israel. The number one exporters of weapons to Israel prior to that were France and the USSR. The Soviets supplied Israel in 1948. The French and British fought with Israel in 1956.

In fact, Muslim countries ditched on the US under the influences and promises of the Soviet Union and Nasser long before US military support of Israel.

What your claiming is just propaganda started by Nasser. It filled the radio airwaves in the Middle East. It has continued as a popular view to this day.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by theking

You disagree because you are not an American and do not understand the American psychic. Remember you are the one that could not understand why Americans get so upset about the desecration of the Flag...and rave about been patriotic. Of course when I say "Americans" I am referring to the majority not the entire population.

You are missing the point anyway.

I'm not talking about fighting or being prepared to die for something. I am talking about someone who actively WANTS to die for Allah. This is different territory altogether.

Joe Average · 09-11-2003, 07:38 AM

Would love to continue but it's late here and I'm tired and am going to bed.

Later all.

theking · 09-11-2003, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Average

You are missing the point anyway.

I'm not talking about fighting or being prepared to die for something. I am talking about someone who actively WANTS to die for Allah. This is different territory altogether.

I am not missing your point. My point is...if they keep attacking the US and specifically if they were to detonate a nuke in a US city...we will actively oblige those that WANT to die (and many that do not want to die) on a massive scale...and in turn will be more than willing to sacrifice our own lives if need be.

wooly1974 · 09-11-2003, 07:44 AM

ytcracker · 09-11-2003, 07:52 AM

i really don't know any american extremists that would dress up in c4 and ball bearings and march into muslim countries in the name of our people.

these fanatics are methodical and worst of all they don't give a fuck. that is definately not the personality type you want to be fucking with.

no matter how sophisticated we as a people become, their low-tech, run-planes-into-buildings, human-bomb mentality will win in its simplicity. i think our strategy against these people needs to change or we aren't going to win.

theking · 09-11-2003, 07:53 AM

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i really don't know any american extremists that would dress up in c4 and ball bearings and march into muslim countries in the name of our people.

these fanatics are methodical and worst of all they don't give a fuck. that is definately not the personality type you want to be fucking with.

no matter how sophisticated we as a people become, their low-tech, run-planes-into-buildings, human-bomb mentality will win in its simplicity. i think our strategy against these people needs to change or we aren't going to win.

Enlighten us with the "strategy" you would employ?

jas1552 · 09-11-2003, 08:00 AM

Would we really want to deal with the aftermath of a suitcase nuke scenario? Wouldn't it be much better to prevent it in the first place? To prevent such a scenario I think some questions would need to be asked? Where would such a nuke be likely to come from? How would it be likely to get into the hands of someone who would use it against the US? How can you prevent this nuke coming from this place and getting into the hands of these people? I think what you would end up with is a list of countries that you could call hmm... an "axis of evil" we'll say and plans for dealing with each one.

Chris E · 09-11-2003, 08:01 AM

Prevention is much better than cure!

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jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	Would we really want to deal with the aftermath of a suitcase nuke scenario? Wouldn't it be much better to prevent it in the first place? To prevent such a scenario I think some questions would need to be asked? Where would such a nuke be likely to come from? How would it be likely to get into the hands of someone who would use it against the US? How can you prevent this nuke coming from this place and getting into the hands of these people? I think what you would end up with is a list of countries that you could call hmm... an "axis of evil" we'll say and plans for dealing with each one.

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