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ADL Colin · 09-03-2003, 03:21 AM

I don't mean conservative in the American sense of card carrying member of the "Republican" party. I mean, is there anyone here that is:

1. anti-abortion
2. anti- gay rights (marriage)
3. in favor of the Alabama Courthouse displaying the 10 Commandments

TheSaint · 09-03-2003, 07:16 AM

I would say I am very conservative. The real definition of conservatives, the party of Thomas Jefferson and Lincoln, is:

Minimal government
human rights
Government not mixing in religion
low taxes
states authority

Those things you mention have nothing to do with conservative values, the party has been hijacked by Taliban religious yahoos.

sperbonzo · 09-03-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint
I would say I am very conservative. The real definition of conservatives, the party of Thomas Jefferson and Lincoln, is:

Minimal government
human rights
Government not mixing in religion
low taxes
states authority

Those things you mention have nothing to do with conservative values, the party has been hijacked by Taliban religious yahoos.

Absolutely!!! Dead right on all counts!!!

gothweb · 09-03-2003, 07:32 AM

Don't confuse socially conservative, fiscally conservative, and libertarian. All three are very different, and its especially strange that it tends to be "conservatives" who confuse them.

Zebra · 09-03-2003, 07:33 AM

I'm a pedestrian!

ADL Colin · 09-03-2003, 07:34 AM

Well, yes. The definition of conservative has changed over time and continues to. The parties themselves change and adapt and with them the definitions of conservative and liberal.

Just looking at the US ...

Until the Depression, Republicans were perceived as stronger on what we would call Civil Rights (in many ways). Republicans were stronger on environmental issues. Republicans looked to limit "big business" (anti-trust regulation). In time it has become the opposite.

So sure, the parties evolve to gather votes and reflect changing ideologies.

You sound like a libertarian for the most part.

Minimal government. That's libertarian. Definitely not Republican/conservative by today's standards. The record of recent conservative US presidents is of big government. They still talk the game and use phrases like "minimal government" but they don't act it. Of course, they really mean "minimal welfare".

Danny_C · 09-03-2003, 08:29 AM

I'm for minimal government intervention in my private personal life. I think that makes me a liberal by today's standards, correct?

ADL Colin · 09-03-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Danny_C
I'm for minimal government intervention in my private personal life. I think that makes me a liberal by today's standards, correct?

Sort of but not completely. Do you believe you should have the right to own a gun in your "private personal life"?

Many libertarians, who take a more extreme view than either party on personal liberty, think both parties fall far flat on this regard. This is where I stand. Partyless. Where is the party that believes in true personal liberty, a strong military, free markets, and doesn't think the Federal Reserve and banking systems need to be abolished?

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09-03-2003, 03:21 AM	#1
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Are there ANY conservatives here? I don't mean conservative in the American sense of card carrying member of the "Republican" party. I mean, is there anyone here that is: 1. anti-abortion 2. anti- gay rights (marriage) 3. in favor of the Alabama Courthouse displaying the 10 Commandments __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

09-03-2003, 07:32 AM	#4
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Don't confuse socially conservative, fiscally conservative, and libertarian. All three are very different, and its especially strange that it tends to be "conservatives" who confuse them. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

09-03-2003, 07:33 AM	#5
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09-03-2003, 07:34 AM	#6
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Well, yes. The definition of conservative has changed over time and continues to. The parties themselves change and adapt and with them the definitions of conservative and liberal. Just looking at the US ... Until the Depression, Republicans were perceived as stronger on what we would call Civil Rights (in many ways). Republicans were stronger on environmental issues. Republicans looked to limit "big business" (anti-trust regulation). In time it has become the opposite. So sure, the parties evolve to gather votes and reflect changing ideologies. You sound like a libertarian for the most part. Minimal government. That's libertarian. Definitely not Republican/conservative by today's standards. The record of recent conservative US presidents is of big government. They still talk the game and use phrases like "minimal government" but they don't act it. Of course, they really mean "minimal welfare". __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

09-03-2003, 07:16 AM	#2
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	I would say I am very conservative. The real definition of conservatives, the party of Thomas Jefferson and Lincoln, is: Minimal government human rights Government not mixing in religion low taxes states authority Those things you mention have nothing to do with conservative values, the party has been hijacked by Taliban religious yahoos.

09-03-2003, 08:29 AM	#7
Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	I'm for minimal government intervention in my private personal life. I think that makes me a liberal by today's standards, correct?