From what I've heard and read,

Heroin addiction is more destructive to your personal life (and wallet) whereas alcohol is more destructive to your body.

I would be interested in seeing a study that related each drug to violent crime or destructive accidents. I know more people are killed with alcohol as a mitigating factor than heroin in the US (drunken rage, drunk driving, etc). However, that doesn't really mean anything because alcohol abuse occurs infinitly more that herion abuse, so I'd need to see something with actual ratios per usage

Have to agree with you Metaman!

welll i never have done herion but i use to drink alot and party some and now i have a failing liver and lung cancers NOT spreading , and i just found out that i have mager never probs .
I been dealing with great pain from it , and the drinking done it to me . My nevers are more less from what i understanding like dying at the ends and in turn makes great pain and numness ,
and trust me i know wish the pain and trips in and out of the doc office all the time on any one .
I have alot of friends here and buyers and they all know just how much i am dealing with this , and from all the docs tell me from the drinking other then the lung probs .
What makes matters worse for me is that i cant take meds ethers for this at this time not till my livers gets better , so i am more less fuck and do my best to deal with it , shit i am just 36 and when i wake up i walk like a 80 year old man from the pain is so great . I just found out this never prob i have two days ago and now have to get ready to under go test from hell to see what we can do to stop it and handle it around the liver prob as well ..


SO that is my two cents on this , and i not heard these probs from herion tho it isnt good ether for you
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i have read this thread three times and funny , so many here think that for it is heroin it makes it worse ,

trust me i have seen and knew people on it and there most probs want more or go threw hell to get off it and when off they do there best to stay off it ,

Go to me and live my life for two weeks and then repost and i am sure you will think this all over again , trust me by far do i want one person so feel sorry or bad i lived my life the way i did and that is it and the fact of it all and what has came from it !
I have and know i have lived a good and fun life , just the fact is that all the drinking i use to do has made my heath SHIT !
Learn all i posted a on my heath in a 7 month time and jsut for shit to keep going bad on me and you will fully understand my point here .
I am not telling people not to drink that is your life , just dont drink so damn hard as some us have or do , man it was nothing for me to drink a fith of crown or jack aday and be fine ( so i thought )
. again all this is just me :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

heroin

If you're talking about the individuals health - which basically means nothing, it's heroin.

Now the people who really matter, the innocent bystanders who can be affected by the drug, are endangered more by alchohol. When was the last time a junkie was driving 120mph and hit a minivan full of toddlers?

But of course there's right and wrong ways to do either. Willpower's the key. Heroin gets your willpower over time and causes you to seperate yourself from society. This is where you put yourself at risk for AIDS, etc. Alcohol kills your willpower after a few drinks and makes you a no-judgement idiot who still has the strength to go out into the world and do damage.

Oh, an added danger many of us didn't add - jail. Any illegal substance puts you at a high risk for jail time. You really can't base this on statistics because police departments change all the time. One week they're lenient the next they're trying to lock people up for being a pothead. I'm facing 3 years for being a pothead, this is unheard of around here. You really never know..

cluck, it's like we're leading two different discussions here.

As a substance, alcohol is more dangerous than heroin.

In real life - because of laws, etc - heroin is more dangerous. But laws can change - and laws are different around the world.

If you take two people. Inject one with heroin and give the other a 12 pack. The person who is drunk is more likely to die.

interesting thread... i lived in what was called the herion capital of the US. good ole plano tx. mtv did the real life story there. i've known a lot more ppl die from herion than alcohol. someone posted it earlier, and it's true, herion makes ppl worthless. i know a guy that's been dead 3 times, the second time they actually called the time. the dumb fucker still does it (haven't heard from him in 3 yrs, so he might be toast by now). and as for availability, i think it was almost easier to get herion than alcohol.

it's a loaded question though, there's going to be points on both sides.

just my :2 cents:

Tried both. Both are dangerous and should not be used I almost fucked up my life with them.

almost?

Ok, too many people have said things like "Heroin if managed is less dangerous"... come on!

When is "managed alcohol" dangerous? It is only over-indulgance in alcohol that causes problems. Same thing with Heroin.

So... making any kind of point about managing it is not accurate here. Since any drug if managed properly will not usually have disastrious effects.

Lets compare only over-indulgence in either drug and I'm sure everyone will answer heroin as more dangerous.

I seriously could not have put it better myself. I was going to post something along these lines earlier but didn't. Compare an alcoholic that drinks a case of beer EVERY day to someone that shoots up all day and I see no comparison.....both bad, but the heroin worse. I've never done heroin, coke or anything like that so I can't speak personally, but I've not seen too many cases of "controlled heroin use"... I used to volunteer at a psych clinic for credits in college before I changed my major. Just my :2 cents:

Heroin is worse definitly....
i sow many friends died from that shit...fuck heroin...alchocol is not good also but it is way much better then heroin...hell shit bout sucks....COCAIN RULES:thumbsup