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Old 08-25-2003, 01:15 PM   #51
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How is it that everyone is so sure that its islam groups perpetrating these bombings? Because bush/blair/western media say so? Are you even so sure about who was behind 9/11? The "evidence" pointing to bin laden is circumstantial at best and there is a mountain of evidence that looks as if someone wanted everyone to think arabs were behind it. Yet everyone just automatically believes it was osama because the govt says so. But look at who really benefits from these things, 9/11 was great for bush, and also resulted in the usa doing a lot of things israel wants. You dont think its possible that the mossad (whose motto is "war by means of deception") or the cia was/is behind some of this stuff? The mossad has evidently already been caught posing as al-qaeda and recruiting palestinians, although its not likely this kind of thing will ever be covered by western media. It would be easy to recruit angry palestinians and guide the poor suckers into doing whatever you wanted, especially if they thought the orders were coming from al-qaeda, hamas, etc.

I dont know who or what is behind a lot of this stuff but if you think you do just from watching news reports then you are a fool.
Hokay..I'll buy the "grassy noll" gun theory in the JFK assasination before I would tend to think you have any shred of logic in the above assertation.

There is overwhelming evidence (ours and others) that puts it squarely on Al Quaeda. Even Bin Laden admits it! (Of is Bin Laden simply a tool of the Massad?)
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Old 08-25-2003, 01:33 PM   #52
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How is it that everyone is so sure that its islam groups perpetrating these bombings? Because bush/blair/western media say so? Are you even so sure about who was behind 9/11? The "evidence" pointing to bin laden is circumstantial at best and there is a mountain of evidence that looks as if someone wanted everyone to think arabs were behind it. Yet everyone just automatically believes it was osama because the govt says so. But look at who really benefits from these things, 9/11 was great for bush, and also resulted in the usa doing a lot of things israel wants. You dont think its possible that the mossad (whose motto is "war by means of deception") or the cia was/is behind some of this stuff? The mossad has evidently already been caught posing as al-qaeda and recruiting palestinians, although its not likely this kind of thing will ever be covered by western media. It would be easy to recruit angry palestinians and guide the poor suckers into doing whatever you wanted, especially if they thought the orders were coming from al-qaeda, hamas, etc.
History is replete with cases of fake terror such as the lavon affair by israel. I dont know who or what is behind a lot of this stuff but if you think you do just from watching news reports then you are a fool.
Bin Laden is on video tape taking credit for it...but with your mindset...you may very well believe the video was made by the CIA...kooks are amusing.
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Old 08-25-2003, 01:45 PM   #53
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Hokay..I'll buy the "grassy noll" gun theory in the JFK assasination before I would tend to think you have any shred of logic in the above assertation.

There is overwhelming evidence (ours and others) that puts it squarely on Al Quaeda. Even Bin Laden admits it! (Of is Bin Laden simply a tool of the Massad?)
First learn how to read, i didnt make any assertions. I said very clearly that i dont know.......
Second, there is no more overwhelming evidence that al qaeda was behind it than there is/was evidence of wmd's in iraq. Osama may or may not have been behind it, but you are believing what you want that he admitted it. The video tape you are probably thinking of has long been deemed as highly suspect. And there are reports that osama in fact denied involvement.
But hey, you go right ahead and believe the govt line.
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Old 08-25-2003, 01:54 PM   #54
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Bin Laden is on video tape taking credit for it...but with your mindset...you may very well believe the video was made by the CIA...kooks are amusing.
Many many arabs have listened to that tape and said that roughly half of what he says cannot be understood. Experts have said the audio and video quality is so poor there is no way it can be corroborated. Now maybe it was him and he said and did everything the govt claims, i dont know. But for you to be so sure that you know is, well, amusing. Lets just believe everything bush says and all live happily forever after!
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Many many arabs have listened to that tape and said that roughly half of what he says cannot be understood. Experts have said the audio and video quality is so poor there is no way it can be corroborated. Now maybe it was him and he said and did everything the govt claims, i dont know. But for you to be so sure that you know is, well, amusing. Lets just believe everything bush says and all live happily forever after!
The video was repeatedly played by the media...and in my opinion the quality of the tape was quite good. Yes some of the tape was unintelligable...but most of it was not and the part where he is talking about 9/11 was quite intelligable...but I can only take the word of the translators about what he said...as I do not speak the lanquage. By the way the media have their own translators so do not always rely upon CIA translators...so you have translations from at least two different sources.
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Dar al Harb. The House of War. 46 dead in India today
WOW! 46 what dead? Cows? Goats? People? Muslims? Hindus? or Christians? If you said cows then my question would be how many goats were killed by cows yesterday? Similarly if you said Hindus then my question would be how many muslims were killed by Hindus yesterday? If you are talking about Kashmir.. well what the fuck are you actually talking about? url?
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How is it that everyone is so sure that its islam groups perpetrating these bombings?
Becuase these radical groups come out say on TV that they did it.
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the stupid thing about all this is the twist the american media puts on it all, they've done a very good job at making ppl of the Muslim faith the new 'commie' if you will. fact is the only muslims you have to worry about are the extreme fundamentalists. no different than the christian fundamentalists or anyone who takes any religion to an extreme. christians are killing others in Ireland, Bosnia, ect. these islam extremists make their interpreations of the Quran to fit their views and the media focuses on these ppl of course because it sells.
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The leaders of:

Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, United Arab Emirates.
Couple of these countries are questionable but thanks for the info. This the first time anyone has come close to answering my question. Now I feel a little more informed. However I would like to see them more vocal against terrorism.
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:13 PM   #61
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Becuase these radical groups come out say on TV that they did it.
I killed JFK,
there I said it
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Lets just believe everything bush says and all live happily forever after!
That's the last source by choice for any glimmer of truth on the planet - and these glimmers are few and far between.

I'd trust the rattler posed to strike me before I'd trust the bile from the US Admin.
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:14 PM   #63
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Couple of these countries are questionable but thanks for the info. This the first time anyone has come close to answering my question. Now I feel a little more informed. However I would like to see them more vocal against terrorism.
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The problem is each of these countries have radical moslems also.
Especially Turkey, the most powerful of the group. (And part of NATO)
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Al Qaeda did it. If they didn't, then there would be 100 other little pissant, pussy-ass, bitch-kitty terrorist outfits taking credit. None of them have. These silly fuckers want to die, anyway, so what would they have to lose?

Islam isn't the problem, as the other guy stated. The problem is religious psychopaths using the squalor and poverty of third-world countries to brainwash young people with no hope for a future consisting of anything except dirt and rocks to think they're getting the fucking virgins, a decent place to live, and plenty to eat. These young people are NOT doing it for 'Jihad Against Americans' or any 'cause'...their leaders, like Osama, want us to believe that weak propaganda, but, that's not why. It's obvious why they're doing it.

That's why Osama is hiding instead of dying in a blaze of gunfire: he doesn't have the courage to do anything himself, he just sits around and talks a bunch of shit to pump up the dumbasses.

Muslims are okay. But Radical Muslim Fundamentalists suck American cock, and take HellFire missiles up their asshole. They don't 'believe in a cause': they actually think they're getting this shitload of virgins to service them, and, hey, if you don't have anything better to look forward to....WTF. Strap on some bombs and obliterate yourself. Your family will get paid, you'll be a 'martyr', and the virgins will suck your dick better.

Fuck ALL Radical Muslim Fundamentalists and the camels they rode in on. Nothing's fair in war, motherfuckers. I say they get a bath in pig's blood right before they get a cap popped in their dome, making sure they see the pit of pig entrails they're going to be buried in just to make fucking sure they know they're not going to Heaven. Then, release one from the group alive to make sure he spreads the word that the Americans WILL do this to terrorists. That wouldn't be a disgrace to Islam, only to Radical Muslim Fundamentalists...and who cares about their souls? Good Muslims wouldn't want these pieces of dogshit in their Heaven anyway. Would they? America is good at psy-ops, and I say this is the only psy-op we would fucking need. General Blackjack Pershing did it, and there wasn't a radical Muslim attack ANYWHERE for about fifty years after that. What better proof do we need that this would work, and what the FUCK would a decent Muslim have against it? Not a damn thing...IF they're a decent Muslim.

The only way a Muslim would disagree with this method is if they believe that the terrorists, would, in fact, be able to enter Heaven after committing a terrorist attack on innocent Americans. A Muslim that believes this crock of shit is not a good, decent Muslim, but a Radical Muslim Fundamentalist themself.

Anyone who disagrees, bring it the fuck ON.
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WOW! 46 what dead? Cows? Goats? People? Muslims? Hindus? or Christians? If you said cows then my question would be how many goats were killed by cows yesterday? Similarly if you said Hindus then my question would be how many muslims were killed by Hindus yesterday? If you are talking about Kashmir.. well what the fuck are you actually talking about? url?
Are you serious? The Bombay bombing wasn't the lead-off news story where you are from? Try google news.

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Are you serious? The Bombay bombing wasn't the lead-off news story where you are from? Try google news.
Was it on CNN? If it ain't on CNN it ain't true
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Was it on CNN? If it ain't on CNN it ain't true
Maybe you should get a short-wave radio. ;-)
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Well there are only 1.2 Billion Muslims. So we still outnumber them 5 to 1.

Hah, well when one of their suicide bombers decides to strike. they take out an average of 20-40 people.. heh.. So I ask you, whos outnumbered based on their willingness to die so easily..
so maybe their 1.5 billion can kill 24 billion people if they keep going and going.. eventually there will be none of them left if they keep it up.. but hey, they will have killed 24 billion.. haha

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osama was trained by the CIA, maybe he is thier tool. and not one of mossads tools.
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You talking about this? Yeah I'm sure somehow muslim terrorists were involved in here lol
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wv...ICLE_ID=538587

or maybe this? drive them out of their homes so they couldn't turn into terrorists to kill 46 whatever later?
http://www.freelists.org/archives/ne.../msg00050.html
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