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AdultMovies.bz · 08-20-2003, 04:24 PM

I ran a test on the quality of traffic from different places and I must say that Google has changed... and not for the better.

There seems to be alot of weird shit going on here.

Over the past seven days I got 60 sales to my Pay Site, out of which 23 were denied for various reasons, eg: declined card, voided transaction, etc...
Surprisingly, Google send over 80% of all these transactions!
All my other traffic sources only generated 20% voided transactions, and google 80%... Not very happy considering the price.

Anyone else had this experience?

WiredGuy · 08-20-2003, 04:28 PM

Check the origin by country of your google traffic. If they're mostly non-american, then that would be the reason.

WG

AdultMovies.bz · 08-20-2003, 04:31 PM

Nah, I specificaly set the traffic to be only US, UK and Australian based, so it should be pretty reliable.

Triple 6 · 08-20-2003, 04:34 PM

how can u honestly say its google?

whats your site?

whats your target keywords?

whats your sites position on those keywords at google?

whats bacon ham and cheese bagel go for on your local mcdonalds menu?

so many factors you neeed to consider..

AdultMovies.bz · 08-20-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Triple 6
how can u honestly say its google?

whats your site?

whats your target keywords?

whats your sites position on those keywords at google?

whats bacon ham and cheese bagel go for on your local mcdonalds menu?

so many factors you neeed to consider..

I know its google because all google traffic is sent through a cgi IP logger, then I cross reference the results with the IPs of successful and unsuccessful sales. The site is a movie site selling at only $14.95 and converting as 1 in eighty uniques. The target keywords were all adult movie related... eg:

Adult Movies
XXX Movies
Hardcore Movies
Download Adult Movies etc...

And the site's position varies from 2-3 to 6-7 to make sure that i don't just get random clicks... The campaign has been optimized very well and is bringing in good sales, its just that the quality of sales from google is shit, which is nothing I myself can do about.

AdultMovies.bz · 08-20-2003, 05:10 PM

Anyone else experienced this problem?

Terenzo · 08-20-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
Anyone else experienced this problem?

yes. my ars account where i send google traffic has a pis to signup ratio of 14:1 which means 1 out of 14 signing up the form where able to get a membership.
pis = personal information submit (normally 5:1)
with my other ars account (toplists, trades, tgp) i am at 4:1
my avs account is at 2:1

last week silvercash shut down one of my accounts (14 days old, google traffic only) claiming i committed cc-fraud (actually the cc-processors said that - i understand sc they closed the account, although it pisses me off) - i had set it up for google traffic only, glad i did, so my other silvercash accounts were not touched.

i am running close to topbucks limits because of chargebacks getting through the roof.

google gets tons of indian traffic that is worth nothing, at least not for cc signups.

KRL · 08-20-2003, 11:39 PM

Something strange going on for sure.

AdultMovies.bz · 08-21-2003, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Terenzo

yes. my ars account where i send google traffic has a pis to signup ratio of 14:1 which means 1 out of 14 signing up the form where able to get a membership.
pis = personal information submit (normally 5:1)
with my other ars account (toplists, trades, tgp) i am at 4:1
my avs account is at 2:1

last week silvercash shut down one of my accounts (14 days old, google traffic only) claiming i committed cc-fraud (actually the cc-processors said that - i understand sc they closed the account, although it pisses me off) - i had set it up for google traffic only, glad i did, so my other silvercash accounts were not touched.

i am running close to topbucks limits because of chargebacks getting through the roof.

google gets tons of indian traffic that is worth nothing, at least not for cc signups.

Fuck, thats pretty bad.
I think I'll try google targeted for US and UK only and see if that helps any.

Ps: Which advertising method works the best for you? (If you don't mind me asking)

sexeducation · 08-21-2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Something strange going on for sure.

Yep ... something is a foot.

The recent Google.com purchase of Blogger.com.
Things are 'a changin' ...FAST ...

And rightfully so ...

Think about it ...
If you changed your homepage ... you went up or down with the google "dance" ...
That is retarded ... information is not static...

Google.com buying Blogger.com SMARTEST thing I have EVER seen them do ... bang on the money ... BIG BANG ...

I am a born again Googlonian ... cheers ...

Avatar · 08-21-2003, 04:13 AM

hmm, that makes me wonder.

I have had 9 transactions where 5 got denied because of the processores "anti cc fraud system".

The traffic came from google and yahoo only

NickB. · 08-21-2003, 04:18 AM

which processors are you guys using?
We do not have any problems with CC sign ups from google ( payserve.com )

Theo · 08-21-2003, 04:31 AM

hmm,how can we filter the indian traffic from our pages?

any simple jscript code to add?

Theo · 08-21-2003, 04:43 AM

have you also noticed an increase on ctr lately?

IMP^or^SNiTL.e · 08-21-2003, 04:50 AM

google are shit, pron.ws is taking over

Dirty F · 08-21-2003, 05:05 AM

So google surfers have bad credit cards???

Dirty F · 08-21-2003, 05:05 AM

Sounds like bs to me.

besterman · 08-21-2003, 09:24 AM

maybe your sites suck...

teomaxxx · 08-21-2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Terenzo

yes. my ars account where i send google traffic has a pis to signup ratio of 14:1 which means 1 out of 14 signing up the form where able to get a membership.
pis = personal information submit (normally 5:1)
with my other ars account (toplists, trades, tgp) i am at 4:1
my avs account is at 2:1

last week silvercash shut down one of my accounts (14 days old, google traffic only) claiming i committed cc-fraud (actually the cc-processors said that - i understand sc they closed the account, although it pisses me off) - i had set it up for google traffic only, glad i did, so my other silvercash accounts were not touched.

i am running close to topbucks limits because of chargebacks getting through the roof.

google gets tons of indian traffic that is worth nothing, at least not for cc signups.

I have bad expeirence with paysite keyword traffic from google. I had one top listing, made about 40SU and about 7people made revokes. I think the surfer knows to get money back, because it was quality subniche site.

SkyWalker · 08-21-2003, 10:34 AM

what goes up must come down

Terenzo · 08-22-2003, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
So google surfers have bad credit cards???

google has extremely international traffic.
problems:
1. cc's are not accepted at all (for some real reason)
2. if you lived in a country where $40 is 10% of your monthly income but you like porn a lot and figured out how to get your money back - what would you do? - that's when problem 1 protects the processors

it would not be that bad a problem if the visa regulations aren't that strict, but if you have too much foreign traffic (where foreign means not northamerican, australian, western european) then you run into the risk of getting kicked out of sponsor programs.

the internet is growing especially in the poorer regions of the world, google reported a sharp increase of indian traffic.

Theo · 08-22-2003, 12:08 AM

also wait to see PLENTY of indian webmasters getting your traffic from now on. Both adult and mainstream

1 out of 5 new SEO are from india. Most of them still newbies,but these guys learn very fast and work all day.

Terenzo · 08-22-2003, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz

Fuck, thats pretty bad.
I think I'll try google targeted for US and UK only and see if that helps any.

Ps: Which advertising method works the best for you? (If you don't mind me asking)

1. yes, maybe westerneuropean traffic, too, but you better would do with german or french sites (might be too complicated)

2. what advertising methods? you mean with se's or in general?

to produce traffic, the best are privately traded traffic with trusted people.
if you want to know what is best for me to upsell to a membership: i cannot say, i think i am fucking bad in getting sales, my ratios are poor and i got a lot of traffic. i get my sales by sheer volumes, eg i send to different sponsors a day:
ars: 25k +
silver: 18k +
then i got 10 sponsors i send around 10k each
and a whole load of sponsors getting with 1k +/-
but only cashing 100k /month.

Theo · 08-22-2003, 12:19 AM

Terenzo, my partner was in Switzerland 5 days ago. You had a lot of heat there as well!

Terenzo · 08-22-2003, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Terenzo, my partner was in Switzerland 5 days ago. You had a lot of heat there as well!

yep!

08-20-2003, 04:24 PM	#1
AdultMovies.bz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Your Mum's House Posts: 1,036	Google going down the hill? I ran a test on the quality of traffic from different places and I must say that Google has changed... and not for the better. There seems to be alot of weird shit going on here. Over the past seven days I got 60 sales to my Pay Site, out of which 23 were denied for various reasons, eg: declined card, voided transaction, etc... Surprisingly, Google send over 80% of all these transactions! All my other traffic sources only generated 20% voided transactions, and google 80%... Not very happy considering the price. Anyone else had this experience?

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AdultMovies.bz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Your Mum's House Posts: 1,036	Nah, I specificaly set the traffic to be only US, UK and Australian based, so it should be pretty reliable.

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NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	which processors are you guys using? We do not have any problems with CC sign ups from google ( payserve.com )

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	hmm,how can we filter the indian traffic from our pages? any simple jscript code to add?

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	have you also noticed an increase on ctr lately?

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	also wait to see PLENTY of indian webmasters getting your traffic from now on. Both adult and mainstream 1 out of 5 new SEO are from india. Most of them still newbies,but these guys learn very fast and work all day.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Terenzo, my partner was in Switzerland 5 days ago. You had a lot of heat there as well!