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  • BigBucks
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    • May 2003
    • 75

    #1

    Iraq...another Vietnam?

    So what do you think, after yesterdays bomb at the UN in Iraq, do you think it's worth risking US soldiers lives?

    Personally, i think they should pull out before they lose more and more soldiers.....Iraq is not under control!
    BigBucks...
  • pudcat
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    • Mar 2003
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    #2
    I don't think they should have risked them to start with...

    once they've made a mess they need to clean it up.
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    • Nathan
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      • Jul 2003
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      #3
      The US started it, the US has to finish it. That simple.

      If you pull out now, Iraq will be way more dangerous than it was before the war.
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      • BigBucks
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        • May 2003
        • 75

        #4
        Originally posted by Nathan
        The US started it, the US has to finish it. That simple.

        If you pull out now, Iraq will be way more dangerous than it was before the war.
        I dont agree, Iraq has nothing but OIL, trust me when I say US boys will die needlessly....I wish Bush would just disappear, that draft dodging bastard!
        BigBucks...

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        • pudcat
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          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          Originally posted by BigBucks
          I dont agree, Iraq has nothing but OIL, trust me when I say US boys will die needlessly....I wish Bush would just disappear, that draft dodging bastard!
          US boys will die needlessly, many already have...

          if you go in and fuckup iraq and leave them in a way bigger pile of shit than they were to start with then they sure as hell will remember and will hate americans even more, and it won't be hard to guess what nation of citizens will most want to do harm to the US.
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          • bhutocracy
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            • Dec 2001
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            #6
            Originally posted by Nathan

            If you pull out now, Iraq will be way more dangerous than it was before the war.
            wouldn't that be fun.
            and it's silly to compare it to vietnam... thats like comparing the iraq war to world war 2 - yeah it's going to be drawn out and people might turn against it but thats about it.
            Last edited by bhutocracy; 08-20-2003, 04:43 AM.

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            • playa
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              • Feb 2001
              • 6432

              #7
              Originally posted by BigBucks


              I dont agree, Iraq has nothing but OIL,

              Shit man if it was about the OIL then why the hell are the gas prices higher than ever?

              Frankly that its about OIL theory went out the window for me when i seen the gas prices still going UP UP

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              • dana
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                • Oct 2002
                • 170

                #8
                There's no turning back now. Bush knew from the start that there were going to be casualties. The worst part is that you can't tel when they are going to end.
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                • pudcat
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                  • Mar 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by playa
                  Shit man if it was about the OIL then why the hell are the gas prices higher than ever?

                  Frankly that its about OIL theory went out the window for me when i seen the gas prices still going UP UP
                  I noticed that as well... decided that it was because people controlling all the oil were being greedy.
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                  • Rochard
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                    • Dec 2001
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                    #10
                    You kidding, right? Iraq has been the easiest military action the US has ever been through. This wasn't a war, this was a cakewalk. In 1990 Iraq was rated as the word's fourth largest army, yet we we basically just knocked on the door and walked in - and took over Iraq.

                    War is never pretty. Thousands of men die every day during war. During WWII the US lost more men in a single day than we've lost so far in Iraq. During WWII Russia lost more than a million men. While the loss of a human life is tragic, you cannot compare Iraq to any other war.

                    Don't ever tell me this war was about oil. It's not. The United States and Russia EACH produce TWICE as much oil per day than Iraq does. Mexico, England, and Norway produces more oil than Iraq does. Here's some stats for you:

                    Barrels of oil per day:
                    US: 8.1 billion
                    Saudi Arabia: 7.8 billion
                    Russia: 6.2 billion
                    Iran: 3.4 billion
                    China: 3.2 billion
                    Mexico: 3.0 billion
                    Norway: 3.1 billion
                    UK: 2.9 billion
                    Canda: 2.6 billion
                    Iraq: 2.6 billion

                    The reason why everyone thinks Iraq produces so much oil is because that's ALL they produce.

                    So if oil is what it was all about, perhaps the US should give serious thought into invading Norway (but only during the summer).

                    This is about so much more than oil. This about bringing stability to both a region and culture where they think we are nothing but evil.
                    Herschel Savage
                    Brooklyn, NY

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                    • Rochard
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                      • Dec 2001
                      • 75733

                      #11
                      Forgot to list where I got my stats from:

                      http://buyminerals.net/OPEC.htm

                      Now, tell me again how this was about oil.
                      Herschel Savage
                      Brooklyn, NY

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                      • SkyWalker
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 933

                        #12
                        yes, right or wrong to go in. Once there we have to clean up
                        the mess and make them a stable country.
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                        • Fletch XXX
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                          • Jan 2002
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RocHard
                          You kidding, right? Iraq has been the easiest military action the US has ever been through. This wasn't a war, this was a cakewalk.
                          I guess thats why they are recruiting my uncle recently for an entire year out there?

                          Hmm yeah cakewalk.

                          tell that to the men that are getting shot damn near everyday.

                          The death toll for our men is higher than the first gulf war.

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                          • rooster
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                            • Jan 2003
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                            #14
                            are you retarded.
                            Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                            • Buff
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                              • May 2003
                              • 2993

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                              I guess thats why they are recruiting my uncle recently for an entire year out there?

                              Hmm yeah cakewalk.

                              tell that to the men that are getting shot damn near everyday.

                              The death toll for our men is higher than the first gulf war.
                              Not to interject any intelligence into this discussion of warfare or anything, but the friendly casualty totals are so low that one would be hardpressed to call this combat in the first place. This is more of a police action.

                              As for your uncle, he's probably excited to go -- that's why he signed up in the first place -- to be a soldier and serve this country against its enemies!
                              Last edited by Buff; 08-20-2003, 07:24 AM.

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                              • directfiesta
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 30137

                                #16
                                Originally posted by playa



                                Shit man if it was about the OIL then why the hell are the gas prices higher than ever?

                                Frankly that its about OIL theory went out the window for me when i seen the gas prices still going UP UP
                                Simply because the US are not able to pump it out as forecasted. Take a look at Guardian newspaper. A whole article about it and NO I will not link because you don't want to know...
                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                • Buff
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                                  • May 2003
                                  • 2993

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by RocHard
                                  You kidding, right? Iraq has been the easiest military action the US has ever been through. This wasn't a war, this was a cakewalk. In 1990 Iraq was rated as the word's fourth largest army, yet we we basically just knocked on the door and walked in - and took over Iraq.

                                  War is never pretty. Thousands of men die every day during war. During WWII the US lost more men in a single day than we've lost so far in Iraq. During WWII Russia lost more than a million men. While the loss of a human life is tragic, you cannot compare Iraq to any other war.

                                  Don't ever tell me this war was about oil. It's not. The United States and Russia EACH produce TWICE as much oil per day than Iraq does. Mexico, England, and Norway produces more oil than Iraq does. Here's some stats for you:

                                  Barrels of oil per day:
                                  US: 8.1 billion
                                  Saudi Arabia: 7.8 billion
                                  Russia: 6.2 billion
                                  Iran: 3.4 billion
                                  China: 3.2 billion
                                  Mexico: 3.0 billion
                                  Norway: 3.1 billion
                                  UK: 2.9 billion
                                  Canda: 2.6 billion
                                  Iraq: 2.6 billion

                                  The reason why everyone thinks Iraq produces so much oil is because that's ALL they produce.

                                  So if oil is what it was all about, perhaps the US should give serious thought into invading Norway (but only during the summer).

                                  This is about so much more than oil. This about bringing stability to both a region and culture where they think we are nothing but evil.
                                  Yeah, what the left has done is twist the truth, big surprise. Iraq has the second largest proven reserves. That's a lot different than being the second largest oil producer -- the left knows this, but still tries to give the masses of sheep the wrong impression by using vague language and insinuation.

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                                  • directfiesta
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                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 30137

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by RocHard
                                    You kidding, right? Iraq has been the easiest military action the US has ever been through. This wasn't a war, this was a cakewalk. In 1990 Iraq was rated as the word's fourth largest army, yet we we basically just knocked on the door and walked in - and took over Iraq.

                                    War is never pretty. Thousands of men die every day during war. During WWII the US lost more men in a single day than we've lost so far in Iraq. During WWII Russia lost more than a million men. While the loss of a human life is tragic, you cannot compare Iraq to any other war.

                                    Don't ever tell me this war was about oil. It's not. The United States and Russia EACH produce TWICE as much oil per day than Iraq does. Mexico, England, and Norway produces more oil than Iraq does. Here's some stats for you:

                                    Barrels of oil per day:
                                    US: 8.1 billion
                                    Saudi Arabia: 7.8 billion
                                    Russia: 6.2 billion
                                    Iran: 3.4 billion
                                    China: 3.2 billion
                                    Mexico: 3.0 billion
                                    Norway: 3.1 billion
                                    UK: 2.9 billion
                                    Canda: 2.6 billion
                                    Iraq: 2.6 billion

                                    The reason why everyone thinks Iraq produces so much oil is because that's ALL they produce.

                                    So if oil is what it was all about, perhaps the US should give serious thought into invading Norway (but only during the summer).

                                    This is about so much more than oil. This about bringing stability to both a region and culture where they think we are nothing but evil.
                                    Iraq: 2nd biggest oil reserve
                                    Iraq: UN oil for food program

                                    That is why it is not producing much... Search for production numbers before Gulf War ( part 1 ).
                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                      • Jan 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Buff


                                      Not to interject any intelligence into this discussion of warfare or anything, but the friendly casualty totals are so low that one would be hardpressed to call this combat in the first place. This is more of a police action.

                                      As for your uncle, he's probably excited to go -- that's why he signed up in the first place -- to be a soldier and serve this country in combat!
                                      He's 52 and had 1 month left in his second enlist.

                                      He is not happy to go. I recall him telling me everyone else is young and has tattoos and he is an old gray guy naked taking ashowers with them

                                      He re-enlisted to get back in shape and he missed the old days. But in no way did he expect to get shipped off for a war.

                                      He has been a school teacher for years since he left the military, after 9/11 he like many felt he should re-enlist, and thats what it got him.

                                      But trust me, no he isnt THRILLED to be going.

                                      He was a shooter in nam dude ;)

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                                      • directfiesta
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                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 30137

                                        #20
                                        One thing for sure, Bush managed to transform a lie in a truth:

                                        NOW there is Al Quaeda in Iraq.... and more terrorism!
                                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                        • directfiesta
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                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 30137

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                          He's 52 and had 1 month left in his second enlist.

                                          He is not happy to go. I recall him telling me everyone else is young and has tattoos and he is an old gray guy naked taking ashowers with them

                                          He re-enlisted to get back in shape and he missed the old days. But in no way did he expect to get shipped off for a war.

                                          He has been a school teacher for years since he left the military, after 9/11 he like many felt he should re-enlist, and thats what it got him.

                                          But trust me, no he isnt THRILLED to be going.

                                          He was a shooter in nam dude ;)
                                          Sorry about that ... At that age they shouldn't send him out if they had just an ounce of brain....

                                          Just the heat and equipment can finish him up. Already two youg soldiers died from heat related complications.



                                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                          • Fletch XXX
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                                            #22
                                            He was green beret, special forces operations. . I think they have him more for intelligence to be honest.

                                            My family has never really known what he does really.

                                            he is supposed to be a teacher but he travels extensively to other countries and shit.

                                            All the time.

                                            No school teachers can take that much time off.

                                            We all suspect he is deeper into things than we could think.

                                            He is very decorated and carries a nickname till this day that comes from nam.

                                            nick named after having a cold face from gunning down peple sniper style.

                                            The stories he has told me make me question everything this country stands for.

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                                            • abdab_1
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                                              • May 2003
                                              • 425

                                              #23
                                              Can I ask if it is not about Oil then why have the US & UK not gone to the African nations to resolve the issues there?

                                              What is happening on the streets of Iraq happened in N Ireland for many many years, the truth of the matter is the USA can not keep bullying nations into their way of thinking.

                                              The country in is in a mess now and still nothing constructive has been acheived by the US or the UK presence. The toruble is the armed services can not pull out as the country is in ruin.

                                              Yes the deaths are tragic however when you sign up to the armed services you know that your job is to kill others or at the very least be form part of an army that is there to kill people.
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                                              • vending_machine
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                                                • Jun 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by playa



                                                Shit man if it was about the OIL then why the hell are the gas prices higher than ever?

                                                Frankly that its about OIL theory went out the window for me when i seen the gas prices still going UP UP
                                                Gas prices are going up because of the Bush administration, they have decided this is a good time to replenish their emergency oil supplies.

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                                                • Ironhorse
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                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BigBucks


                                                  I dont agree, Iraq has nothing but OIL, trust me when I say US boys will die needlessly....I wish Bush would just disappear, that draft dodging bastard!
                                                  Believe it, if US pulls out now the whole region will go up in flames and it will result in world war.
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                                                  • cherrylula
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                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 15969

                                                    #26
                                                    The USA is evil.

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                                                    • Buff
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                                                      • May 2003
                                                      • 2993

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                      He was green beret, special forces operations. . I think they have him more for intelligence to be honest.

                                                      No shit???

                                                      Dude, I was a green beret in 20th group special forces for 6 years. 18E/18C (Special Forces Communications Sgt. / Special Forces Enginnering/Demolitions Sgt.)

                                                      We're the asskickingest group of human beings walking God's green Earth.

                                                      Trust me, if your uncle is a Green Beret, he's loving being deployed to whip the shit out of bad guys.

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                                                      • loverboy
                                                        When it rains, it pours
                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 20609

                                                        #28
                                                        Saddam and Vin Laden are the Devil's advocate, unless US kills them, there is no end to war in Iraq

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                                                        • directfiesta
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                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 30137

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by loverboy
                                                          Saddam and Vin Laden are the Devil's advocate, unless US kills them, there is no end to war in Iraq
                                                          Yes, make martyr out of them ....
                                                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                          • Obie Trice
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                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                            • 205

                                                            #30
                                                            When US is going to kill Bin Laden and Saddam is when pigs are going to fly.

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                                                            • Lane
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                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 8496

                                                              #31
                                                              looks like Iraq refuses to become a colony

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                                                              • BigBucks
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                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 75

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by RocHard

                                                                Don't ever tell me this war was about oil. It's not. The United States and Russia EACH produce TWICE as much oil per day than Iraq does. Mexico, England, and Norway produces more oil than Iraq does. Here's some stats for you:

                                                                Barrels of oil per day:
                                                                US: 8.1 billion
                                                                Saudi Arabia: 7.8 billion
                                                                Russia: 6.2 billion
                                                                Iran: 3.4 billion
                                                                China: 3.2 billion
                                                                Mexico: 3.0 billion
                                                                Norway: 3.1 billion
                                                                UK: 2.9 billion
                                                                Canda: 2.6 billion
                                                                Iraq: 2.6 billion

                                                                The reason why everyone thinks Iraq produces so much oil is because that's ALL they produce.
                                                                .
                                                                Sorry you are wrong....IRAQ has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the World, 2nd to Saudi Arabia...Oil production has nothing to do with hpw much oil they have, after the UN santions iraqi oil production dropped....your figures are directly related to UN sanctions....IRAQ have mucho mucho oil!
                                                                BigBucks...

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                                                                • theking
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                                                                  • Sep 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  In answer to the topic title...no.

                                                                  In Vietnam the American forces faced a well trained...well established...well led...guerilla force...who knew how to fight...and this force existed for many years...before Americans entered into the conflict. This is not the case in Iraq.

                                                                  In Vietnam the American forces faced a well trained....well established...well led...regular Army force...that knew how to fight...and this is not the case in Iraq.

                                                                  At this point it has only been a few months. Come back in a few years and post...the situation in Iraq will then have either improved or worsened.
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                                                                  • vending_machine
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by theking

                                                                    At this point it has only been a few months. Come back in a few years and post...the situation in Iraq will then have either improved or worsened.
                                                                    No shit?!

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                                                                    • PotentMind
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                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BigBucks
                                                                      So what do you think, after yesterdays bomb at the UN in Iraq, do you think it's worth risking US soldiers lives?
                                                                      they should have never been there in the first place.
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                                                                      • theking
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by vending_machine


                                                                        No shit?!
                                                                        Yes. The point being...since you seem to have missed the point...after a few years have passed then the comparison to Vietnam may be more appropriate...if the situation has worsened...and even less appropriate...if the situation has improved.
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                                                                        • VideoJ
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          This isn't about oil? Based on the reserver numbers, the US at current production rates has about a 7.5 year supply (22,000 million barrels in reservere and 8 million barrels pumped per day). Iraq has 5 times that with know supplies and there is a lot more that hasn't been explored yet. Bush and Cheny are both oil men. Now somebody tell me this isn't about oil.
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                                                                          • playa
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by VideoJ
                                                                            This isn't about oil? Based on the reserver numbers, the US at current production rates has about a 7.5 year supply (22,000 million barrels in reservere and 8 million barrels pumped per day). Iraq has 5 times that with know supplies and there is a lot more that hasn't been explored yet. Bush and Cheny are both oil men. Now somebody tell me this isn't about oil.

                                                                            Well we did win the War,, but how is that gas prices are the highest i ever seen,

                                                                            Damn its at 1.59 down here in Georgia and i am use to 1.00 per gallon ever since i was a 16 years old

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                                                                            • theking
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by VideoJ
                                                                              This isn't about oil? Based on the reserver numbers, the US at current production rates has about a 7.5 year supply (22,000 million barrels in reservere and 8 million barrels pumped per day). Iraq has 5 times that with know supplies and there is a lot more that hasn't been explored yet. Bush and Cheny are both oil men. Now somebody tell me this isn't about oil.
                                                                              If you are making a statement that it is ONLY about oil than I will tell you are mistaken. There are multiple reasons for the invasion of Iraq...not the least of which...is strategic positioning for the war that has been declared against our enemies...terrorists...and those countries that support terrorists. A war which some in this administration initially stated may last as long as ten years...and others have stated it may last as long as thirty years.
                                                                              Last edited by theking; 08-20-2003, 10:55 AM.
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                                                                              • Centurion
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by playa



                                                                                Shit man if it was about the OIL then why the hell are the gas prices higher than ever?

                                                                                Frankly that its about OIL theory went out the window for me when i seen the gas prices still going UP UP
                                                                                You don't think there's any chance at all that the big oil companies manipulate prices? Especially before a big 3 day weekend comming up?

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                                                                                • theking
                                                                                  Nice Kitty
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 21053

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by playa



                                                                                  Well we did win the War,, but how is that gas prices are the highest i ever seen,

                                                                                  Damn its at 1.59 down here in Georgia and i am use to 1.00 per gallon ever since i was a 16 years old
                                                                                  To the best of my knowledge the US has had...and still has...the cheapest gas of any of the industrialized nations of the western world.
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