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BRISK · 08-16-2003, 10:12 PM

Sony unveils 8-megapixel camera

http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5063213.html?tag=fd_top

TurboTrucker · 08-16-2003, 10:27 PM

47. They will not go past 47.

Actually who knows, I wonder how fine a CCD they will be able to make with nanotechnology

Matt_WildCash · 08-16-2003, 10:30 PM

Yep I have a Minolta dimage 7 and it takes fucking ages when doing those super big pixel shots, a 8 megapixel must take about 1 minute to save all the damn data unless they speed it up

BRISK · 08-16-2003, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven
Yep I have a Minolta dimage 7 and it takes fucking ages when doing those super big pixel shots, a 8 megapixel must take about 1 minute to save all the damn data unless they speed it up

The camera's processor is also designed to improve responsiveness, reducing shutter lag and cycle time, Sony said. With about a 40 percent cut in processing time, it can capture an 8-megapixel image in almost half the time that a 5-megapixel camera takes.

media · 08-16-2003, 10:33 PM

They wont end.. its a ploy to get you to buy another camera when they say your shit sucks and theres better ones..

Media

Cindyff · 08-16-2003, 10:35 PM

Canon already have an 11 megapixel camera and Kodak launched a 14 Megapixel camera months ago. I am waiting for the first 20 megapixel should be cool

Cindy xx

kmanrox · 08-16-2003, 10:41 PM

my 4 megapix casio exilim is more camera than i'll ever need megapixelwise.... or any other webguy will need...

PenetratinP · 08-16-2003, 10:43 PM

reading this post I was going to post what Cindy said about the 14MP kodak....and also that on the other hand Nikon just released the D2H with only a 4MP sensor but with the ability to capture 8 frames per second for up to 40 frames...

So I don't think they'll keep going too much higher in MP...just improve other features on cameras. Photojournalists and porn producers for that matter don't need to print poster size pictures.

BRISK · 08-16-2003, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cindyff
Canon already have an 11 megapixel camera and Kodak launched a 14 Megapixel camera months ago. I am waiting for the first 20 megapixel should be cool

Cindy xx

I would think that the law of diminishing returns is very true with megapixels. They can probably keep adding more and more, but the human eye is only capable of seeing so much detail, at some point adding more megapixels wont make any noticeble increase in quality I would think.

foolio · 08-16-2003, 11:52 PM

yes, and your 128mb memory stick will hold 3 pictures

Dax · 08-17-2003, 12:12 AM

I think it may stop once they hit about 100MP, as that should be enough to make the biggest prints around and it would be better than film.. actually a 14mp camera is better than film.

They will enhance other things, like color management, speed, sharpness..etc...

Also, they need to find better storage.

IMP^or^SNiTL.e · 08-17-2003, 12:39 AM

yum yum, i still prefer paintings

BRISK · 08-17-2003, 12:50 AM

1 gb memory sticks exist already, so I don't think memory will be the problem, although it is expensive

StuBradley · 08-17-2003, 01:27 AM

Memory is too expensive! I shoot all of my content with these...

ayj · 08-17-2003, 01:50 AM

The process of continuous upsizing of digital specs is a manufacturers / marketers dream plus it reflects natural economic competitive processes - I do not expect it to stop for a very long time if ever.

Artists, film makers and content deliverers will compete on the basis of new product which makes old product obsolete within a couple of years - just as with computers these days. [Sure some product will rise above it's technical limitations just as with a few of the best old sepia prints].

People say it will stop when digital matches large format film. Bullshit - it's like saying nuclear weapons will stop when they match conventional ones. We are still in the early infant stage of digital imagery.

The way I see it going (medium-long term) is this.

I think *medium-long term* large size high resolution monitor display will largely replace photographic prints for high end photographic product.

Households will end up with a close to human life size screen on the wall which will deliver moving picture and still picture content ie something like 6' high by 9' wide. It will have a resolution close to the maximum the human eye can resolve from a short distance (at least 300 dpi perhaps a lot more). This maximum applies to all aspects of vision ie colour as well as fine detail and will also apply to frame rate for moving picture product.

Then you can start thinking about 3D.

pure speculation of course

ayj

Dravyk · 08-17-2003, 03:21 AM

As someone said, there's only so much the human-eye can tell. Sure there are 256 shades of gray, but I think I read somewhere that beyond 64 most people can't see. If I showed you #166 and then #167, you'd swear it was the same. You might not even notice the difference side by side.

With all that in mind, what IS the best one to get that balances out high-quality and doesn't take up a ton of memory? Saw Kman say 4 mega was plenty. That about right?

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Where will the megapixels end? Sony unveils 8-megapixel camera http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5063213.html?tag=fd_top __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Yep I have a Minolta dimage 7 and it takes fucking ages when doing those super big pixel shots, a 8 megapixel must take about 1 minute to save all the damn data unless they speed it up

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Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Canon already have an 11 megapixel camera and Kodak launched a 14 Megapixel camera months ago. I am waiting for the first 20 megapixel should be cool Cindy xx

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PenetratinP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,689	reading this post I was going to post what Cindy said about the 14MP kodak....and also that on the other hand Nikon just released the D2H with only a 4MP sensor but with the ability to capture 8 frames per second for up to 40 frames... So I don't think they'll keep going too much higher in MP...just improve other features on cameras. Photojournalists and porn producers for that matter don't need to print poster size pictures.

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Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	I think it may stop once they hit about 100MP, as that should be enough to make the biggest prints around and it would be better than film.. actually a 14mp camera is better than film. They will enhance other things, like color management, speed, sharpness..etc... Also, they need to find better storage.

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IMP^or^SNiTL.e A/S/L .. I don't names. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,177	yum yum, i still prefer paintings

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ayj Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 27	The process of continuous upsizing of digital specs is a manufacturers / marketers dream plus it reflects natural economic competitive processes - I do not expect it to stop for a very long time if ever. Artists, film makers and content deliverers will compete on the basis of new product which makes old product obsolete within a couple of years - just as with computers these days. [Sure some product will rise above it's technical limitations just as with a few of the best old sepia prints]. People say it will stop when digital matches large format film. Bullshit - it's like saying nuclear weapons will stop when they match conventional ones. We are still in the early infant stage of digital imagery. The way I see it going (medium-long term) is this. I think medium-long term large size high resolution monitor display will largely replace photographic prints for high end photographic product. Households will end up with a close to human life size screen on the wall which will deliver moving picture and still picture content ie something like 6' high by 9' wide. It will have a resolution close to the maximum the human eye can resolve from a short distance (at least 300 dpi perhaps a lot more). This maximum applies to all aspects of vision ie colour as well as fine detail and will also apply to frame rate for moving picture product. Then you can start thinking about 3D. pure speculation of course ayj

08-17-2003, 03:21 AM	#16
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	As someone said, there's only so much the human-eye can tell. Sure there are 256 shades of gray, but I think I read somewhere that beyond 64 most people can't see. If I showed you #166 and then #167, you'd swear it was the same. You might not even notice the difference side by side. With all that in mind, what IS the best one to get that balances out high-quality and doesn't take up a ton of memory? Saw Kman say 4 mega was plenty. That about right? __________________ All Of 'Em