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tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 05:07 PM

I was just looking at this video clip on Yahoo news from chief justice of Alabama Supreme Court. He doesn't want to remove 10 commandments thing from government area. He even meantions that God made people or something like that in speech.

It is hard to believe that we still have government officials mixing church and state today. hmm...kind of like Bush and Asshahahahaha

These people definately should be removed from government. Meantioning anything that has to do with God, jesus, or other religious stuff in speech should mean instant impeachment!!

IMP^or^SNiTL.e · 08-15-2003, 06:00 PM

bah god is a fool

Webby · 08-15-2003, 06:13 PM

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It is hard to believe that we still have government officials mixing church and state today.

This is a real sicko - not a person who needs to sit in judgement - he has no judgement.

While on church and state - I can't believe the US still has no separation tween legislature, church and judiciary.

Many international jurists have expressed "doubts" about "US justice" - the most extreme comment being that it is "deplorable". I suppose the Alabama instance shows what happens with "elections of the unqualified".

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner
These people definately should be removed from government. Meantioning anything that has to do with God, jesus, or other religious stuff in speech should mean instant impeachment!!

So you're saying the government should ban the religious speech of certain people?

Webby · 08-15-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner
These people definately should be removed from government. Meantioning anything that has to do with God, jesus, or other religious stuff in speech should mean instant impeachment!!

Originally posted by jas1552
So you're saying the government should ban the religious speech of certain people?

Did tonkagunner say that??? If so, I missed it!

It would be useful if the legislature quit their pandering hypocritical religious dribble and did some work on the basis of which they were elected.

That also stands for power-struck ego-ridden judiciary members - they are not paid to hold office and spout their personal views. They exist in office to, hopefully, dispense justice according to the law. Thankfully the majority of judges possess some sanity.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Webby

Did tonkagunner say that??? If so, I missed it!

Well, it sure looked to me as if he said that a person who talks about religion should be ineligible to hold public office.

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 07:24 PM

The foundation of the United States was setup on church and state for a good reason. It is to keep religious favortism out of government and to keep religious beliefs out of government.

Yet, today this mixing reaches the highest levels of our government. Some schools still force kids to say the religious pledge of allegance. Bush wanted to give religious organizations gov money a while back. And now we see Ashhahahahaha pressing his anti-pornography religious beliefs onto the public.

Simply sickening!

CoolE · 08-15-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552

Well, it sure looked to me as if he said that a person who talks about religion should be ineligible to hold public office.

That's not what he said at all.

What you are doing is exactly the same straw man bs that all opponents of the seperation of church and state argue (btw, that group includes such notables as Osama bin Laden, John Ashcr*ft, Fred Phelps and others).

What he said is if you can't, as a public official, resist ramming your own religion down the throats of all citizens (in the face of the US Constitution) then you should be removed from your position. Which is bang on.

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
That's not what he said at all.

What you are doing is exactly the same straw man bs that all opponents of the seperation of church and state argue (btw, that group includes such notables as Osama bin Laden, John Ashcr*ft, Fred Phelps and others).

What he said is if you can't, as a public official, resist ramming your own religion down the throats of all citizens (in the face of the US Constitution) then you should be removed from your position. Which is bang on.

exactly. If Bush or Ashhahahahaha want to believe in flying angels, cows, or whatever, fine, just keep it to themselves. That means don't meantion it in speeches, laws or policies.

HEARTBREAKER · 08-15-2003, 08:31 PM

mixing religion from politics is a very wrong move to do....

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 09:11 PM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Is that judge congress? Did he make a law respecting an establishment of religion? Did he prohibit the free exercise thereof?

bringer · 08-15-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner

These people definately should be removed from government. Meantioning anything that has to do with God, jesus, or other religious stuff in speech should mean instant impeachment!!

so basicly once you become a government offical, you no longer have freedom of speech? idiot
as long this person doesnt let god make policy, they cant do shit

bringer · 08-15-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by MSB
mixing religion from politics is a very wrong move to do....

not in the south

bringer · 08-15-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner
The foundation of the United States was setup on church and state for a good reason. It is to keep religious favortism out of government and to keep religious beliefs out of government.

Yet, today this mixing reaches the highest levels of our government. Some schools still force kids to say the religious pledge of allegance. Bush wanted to give religious organizations gov money a while back. And now we see Ashhahahahaha pressing his anti-pornography religious beliefs onto the public.

Simply sickening!

go join the ACLU idiot

find something else to do rather than trying to get GOD removed from anything and everything

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by bringer

go join the ACLU idiot

find something else to do rather than trying to get GOD removed from anything and everything

Religion doesn't belong on government property, fool. The guy has a big 10 commandments thing on goverment property. This guy isn't going to win.

Go back to church, church boy!! You mommo

Mr.Fiction · 08-15-2003, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by bringer

go join the ACLU idiot

If you are not a member of the ACLU and you are in the adult industry, you have no room to call anyone else an idiot.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner
Religion doesn't belong on government property, fool.

Why not? It's not like he's forcing anybody to read it or to believe anything. I'm an atheist or at least agnostic leaning heavily atheist. I just don't understand why liberals get so bent out of shape over this stuff.

"What's the big fuckin' deal bitch?"-- Eric Cartman

Joe Average · 08-15-2003, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552

Why not? It's not like he's forcing anybody to read it or to believe anything. I'm an atheist or at least agnostic leaning heavily atheist. I just don't understand why liberals get so bent out of shape over this stuff.

"What's the big fuckin' deal bitch?"-- Eric Cartman

Because it's government endorsement of a particular religion.

That's the big fuckin' deal, bitch.

Mr.Fiction · 08-15-2003, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552

Why not? It's not like he's forcing anybody to read it or to believe anything. I'm an atheist or at least agnostic leaning heavily atheist. I just don't understand why liberals get so bent out of shape over this stuff.

If a judge put up an Islamic monument or a Satanic monument, you can bet that "liberals" wouldn't be the ones complaining.

Keeping the church and state apart is best for society, whether you are religious or not.

If you want a government where the religion and the state are closely linked, move to some country in the middle east.

Gutterboy · 08-15-2003, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552

Why not? It's not like he's forcing anybody to read it or to believe anything. I'm an atheist or at least agnostic leaning heavily atheist. I just don't understand why liberals get so bent out of shape over this stuff.

"What's the big fuckin' deal bitch?"-- Eric Cartman

The same reliably conservative court which ruled Moores 10 commandments display unconstitutional upheld another 10 commandments display somewhere else only a few months ago.

Do some research. When you understand the differences between the two cases, you will understand why Moore has to go.

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 11:00 PM

It is funny to see some of these religious people act like nothing is wrong when someone in government crosses the barrier between sep of church and state.

It is an ethics issue that many people fail to see problem. If government spends public money to build a statue of jesus for instance, it only benefits those who believe in that. What about all the others: Mormons, Muslims, and non-religious people. It is sort of like government official going out using public money to buy a yaht for himself.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 11:05 PM

As long as the congress doesn't pass laws naming an official US religion, force people to worship a certain god or forbid people from worshipping how they see fit I don't really care.

The people in Alabama support the monument. They should be allowed to have it. If some predominantly muslim city wants some passage from the quran outside their city hall or whatever that's fine with me too. As long as I'm not forced to read or believe in it, what the hell do I care?

Gutterboy · 08-15-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552
As long as the congress doesn't pass laws naming an official US religion, force people to worship a certain god or forbid people from worshipping how they see fit I don't really care.

The people in Alabama support the monument. They should be allowed to have it. If some predominantly muslim city wants some passage from the quran outside their city hall or whatever that's fine with me too. As long as I'm not forced to read or believe in it, what the hell do I care?

Hmm.. you obviously don't understand our form of government either. We live in a Republic, not a democracy. That means certain rights and conditions are inalienable no matter what the majority says. One of those is the establishment clause of the first amendment. Moore is violating the establishment clause by favoring christianity over other religions. Moore has stated, many times, and in his official capcity as an officer of the State, that christianity is the official religion of the United States.

Fuck it.. why do I bother? You'll just go on babbling nonsense anyway.

note to self: willful ignorance is incurable.

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552
As long as the congress doesn't pass laws naming an official US religion, force people to worship a certain god or forbid people from worshipping how they see fit I don't really care.

The people in Alabama support the monument. They should be allowed to have it. If some predominantly muslim city wants some passage from the quran outside their city hall or whatever that's fine with me too. As long as I'm not forced to read or believe in it, what the hell do I care?

Also, Federal laws have priority over state for certain matters. Alabama and other southern states probably had overwhelming support for the status quo segregation in the past. However, Federal government said it was wrong and put a stop to it.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 11:24 PM

You're probably right. The judge will probably lose. That doesn't make the supreme court right in it's interpretation of the constitution. A judge is not congress. He has passed no laws.

You're also right about ignorance. I haven't followed this story at all. Tonkagunners statement is the only reason I posted in this thread at all. To say that the 1st amendment is supposed to prevent a public official from making religious speeches is absurd.

CoolE · 08-15-2003, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552
The people in Alabama support the monument. They should be allowed to have it. If some predominantly muslim city wants some passage from the quran outside their city hall or whatever that's fine with me too. As long as I'm not forced to read or believe in it, what the hell do I care?

Wow. You simply don't believe in the seperation of church and state at all. Or you don't understand the concept. Do you really think that a non-christian can get a fair shake at a trial held in a building with a 5300 pound monument to christianity at it's entrance. Are you really that naive? Or has your faith blinded you completely?

tonkagunner · 08-15-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552
You're probably right. The judge will probably lose. That doesn't make the supreme court right in it's interpretation of the constitution. A judge is not congress. He has passed no laws.

You're also right about ignorance. I haven't followed this story at all. Tonkagunners statement is the only reason I posted in this thread at all. To say that the 1st amendment is supposed to prevent a public official from making religious speeches is absurd.

I will agree to disagree with you on statement that religious speeches by president is absurd.

A good president should not use his position as a platform to promote religion which benefits select group. I don't think complete freedom of speech should apply completely when you are on the job.

If someone at work made religious speeches or something like that, it might be deemed inappropriate; especially for large organization with many types of people.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 11:45 PM

I believe in the rule of law. If you don't like the law in it's current form there is a process to change it. Reinterpreting the meaning of the constitution every few years isn't the process I'm talking about.

I posted the "seperation of church and state" part of the constitution earlier. I'll do so again.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

It says what congress can't do. It makes no mention of some hick judge in Alabama.

Again, if you don't like the constitution and believe it should say more than it does, amend it.

My faith? Yes. I am completely blinded by my faith in the almighty Jesus. I'll pray for you tonight so that you don't go to hell.

jas1552 · 08-15-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by tonkagunner

I will agree to disagree with you on statement that religious speeches by president is absurd.

A good president should not use his position as a platform to promote religion which benefits select group. I don't think complete freedom of speech should apply completely when you are on the job.

If someone at work made religious speeches or something like that, it might be deemed inappropriate; especially for large organization with many types of people.

Freedom of speech was meant specifically to prevent the GOVERNMENT from punishing people for their speech. If he worked at McDonalds and was harrassing the customers with religious speech, hell yeah, fire his ass.

TurboTrucker · 08-16-2003, 01:23 AM

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

What law did he make that had to do with religion?

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tonkagunner Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 830	It is funny to see some of these religious people act like nothing is wrong when someone in government crosses the barrier between sep of church and state. It is an ethics issue that many people fail to see problem. If government spends public money to build a statue of jesus for instance, it only benefits those who believe in that. What about all the others: Mormons, Muslims, and non-religious people. It is sort of like government official going out using public money to buy a yaht for himself. __________________ Traffic Cash Gold

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jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	As long as the congress doesn't pass laws naming an official US religion, force people to worship a certain god or forbid people from worshipping how they see fit I don't really care. The people in Alabama support the monument. They should be allowed to have it. If some predominantly muslim city wants some passage from the quran outside their city hall or whatever that's fine with me too. As long as I'm not forced to read or believe in it, what the hell do I care?

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jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	You're probably right. The judge will probably lose. That doesn't make the supreme court right in it's interpretation of the constitution. A judge is not congress. He has passed no laws. You're also right about ignorance. I haven't followed this story at all. Tonkagunners statement is the only reason I posted in this thread at all. To say that the 1st amendment is supposed to prevent a public official from making religious speeches is absurd.

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jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	I believe in the rule of law. If you don't like the law in it's current form there is a process to change it. Reinterpreting the meaning of the constitution every few years isn't the process I'm talking about. I posted the "seperation of church and state" part of the constitution earlier. I'll do so again. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." It says what congress can't do. It makes no mention of some hick judge in Alabama. Again, if you don't like the constitution and believe it should say more than it does, amend it. My faith? Yes. I am completely blinded by my faith in the almighty Jesus. I'll pray for you tonight so that you don't go to hell.

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