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pudcat · 08-15-2003, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl

So you hate HP too?

Did you try sending an Email to MS? Did you try searching the MS site? Did you try the support groups? Ahhh. I'm sure the techie at the computer service desk did Do you think he paid $35 to fix that 'simple' problem? I doubt it.

What was this small glitch that MS was at fault for?

correct me if I'm wrong, though it's pretty fucking difficult to access the internet when your computer doesn't work

of course if you have more than one it's easy though not everyone does

lEricPl · 08-15-2003, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by pudcat

u haven't noticed that windows has another major security hole in it that is getting majorly exploited?

what the hell is their problem? they've got 8000+ of the brightest and $40billion+ in cash yet they still can't build secure products.

Reactive patches aren't going to fix their problems.

Do you really think it would be any different if the 'key' company was called Linux or Mac?

Compare Cars to Software.

Ford Motor Company.

Multi Billion dollar company.

Some of the brightest engineers in the world.

Why can't they get things right the first time? Why do they have recalls so they can fix things?

There are hundreds of 'Security' companies that do nothing but look for flaws in Windows.

Most are PAID by MS to do just that. Some are not. Most of these Exploits are not even used by hackers. They are just 'discovered' and then abused.

Think about software in general. Think about the internet. Flaws and security holes are EVERYWHERE. Not just in MS software. Most are not even known.

There is no way you will be able to catch every loop hole. There are tens of thousands of people every day that do nothing but try to find holes in software.

Tell me...what if hundreds of well paid companies and tens of thousands of hackers tried finding holes in *nix software EVERY DAY? What do you think would happen?

It just so happens MS is the Key company in the game right now.

Do you really think it would be any different if the key company was called Linux or Mac?

lEricPl · 08-15-2003, 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by pudcat

correct me if I'm wrong, though it's pretty fucking difficult to access the internet when your computer doesn't work

of course if you have more than one it's easy though not everyone does

So you're telling me to fuck off becuase you could not get online?

Anyway...what was the glitch?

CDSmith · 08-15-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl
So you hate HP too?

I'll stop you right there skippy. I never used the word hate anywhere. What I don't like is the idea of me paying thousands to a company, then when something goes wrong with what that company sold me they try charging me more money for them to help me fix a problem with their product.

If you can't see that, then there is no point in continuing this line of the discussion.

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Originally posted by lEricPl
Did you try sending an Email to MS? Did you try searching the MS site? Did you try the support groups? Ahhh. I'm sure the techie at the computer service desk did Do you think he paid $35 to fix that 'simple' problem? I doubt it.

Second-guessing someone else's problem is easy from the cheap seats. You're being a bozo. why? Email was not an option, I had no time to fuck around waiting for emails to be answered. Some of us are webmasters here, not kids peckering off with a new hobby. Plus it helps to have a working system before attempting internet connection, or do you have some new connectivity that doesn't require a computer with a working OS.

Fact is, I followed a chain of advice starting with the warranty providers that I PAID an extra $500 to have at my beck and call. When their own techies couldn't get me past the glitch, they passed me on to Microsoft. I couldn't phone MS because it was late on a Saturday night, so I called them the next day. Through all the "hold" time and such, and being passed from one rep to another, they finally said I should call HP. I did so, and after more hold time and more transfers I was eventually told to call MS! I played this game until their bottom line was that they would need $35 in order to tell me how to solve a problem that was obviously theirs. The MS rep I spoke to, after hearing me describe what I was up against, admitted that it was in inherant glitch in the Windows ME registration process.

And the only reason the Future Shop techie knew about it was because guys like him actually install Windows on hundreds of computers on a monthly basis, so he is familiar with these little gitches. That was the first time I had to reformat the HD on this computer using ME, and I had not encountered anything like that problem before. Hello? Anybody?

The details of the glitch are too much to get it all layed out here properly for you. You'll just have to buy Win ME, partition a new drive, set up a dual boot and try to install it..... you'll come to it eventually and then you'll know.

pudcat · 08-15-2003, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl

Do you really think it would be any different if the 'key' company was called Linux or Mac?

Compare Cars to Software.

Ford Motor Company.

Multi Billion dollar company.

Some of the brightest engineers in the world.

Why can't they get things right the first time? Why do they have recalls so they can fix things?

There are hundreds of 'Security' companies that do nothing but look for flaws in Windows.

Most are PAID by MS to do just that. Some are not. Most of these Exploits are not even used by hackers. They are just 'discovered' and then abused.

Think about software in general. Think about the internet. Flaws and security holes are EVERYWHERE. Not just in MS software. Most are not even known.

There is no way you will be able to catch every loop hole. There are tens of thousands of people every day that do nothing but try to find holes in software.

Tell me...what if hundreds of well paid companies and tens of thousands of hackers tried finding holes in *nix software EVERY DAY? What do you think would happen?

It just so happens MS is the Key company in the game right now.

Do you really think it would be any different if the key company was called Linux or Mac?

1. I do not believe in security through obscurity, so for that reason I do believe it is different with Linux and the BSD's... personally I don't believe it would be terribly different with macs.

2. do some searching for GM/Microsoft comparisons... there was some famous comments from a couple of years back, someone posted them here earlier today or yesterday.

3. there are plenty of people (both hackers, crackers and security professionals) that try to find bugs in all the other operating systems, the biggest difference with the microsoft (and I'm sure many closed source companies) is that their security is done reacting to issues rather than preventing them.

You seem to be under the false impression that money is the only thing that makes software work... surely you must realise (it appears from your site that you are a coder) that the best work most coders do is their own work rather than work for someone else, what motivation is there for programmers at microsoft to pump out good quality code? they're still going to get their paycheque...

lEricPl · 08-15-2003, 04:09 AM

Well,

It seems pudcat and CDSmith really don't like MS.

I have never had a problem.

The best I can tell you is switch to *nix.

Goodluck.

CDSmith · 08-15-2003, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by lEricPl
Well,

It seems pudcat and CDSmith really don't like MS.

I have never had a problem.

The best I can tell you is switch to *nix.

Goodluck.

Dude, you obviously have receptor problems. Try whacking yourself upside the head like some people do to their TV, it might help. What I said, for the nth time, is that I don't like the fucking idea of paying a fee so that some company can do me the fucking honor of telling me how to get past a glitch that is in THEIR product.

What, am I fucking saying it wrong?

Do you own stock in MS, is that it?

lEricPl · 08-15-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
What I said, for the nth time, is that I don't like the fucking idea of paying a fee so that some company can do me the fucking honor of telling me how to get past a glitch that is in THEIR product.

What was the glitch again?

08-15-2003, 04:09 AM	#56
lEricPl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: FL Posts: 1,062	Well, It seems pudcat and CDSmith really don't like MS. I have never had a problem. The best I can tell you is switch to *nix. Goodluck.