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hudson · 08-14-2003, 05:09 PM

well...Perl gets me a bit nutty sometimes and I want to try something new. Anyone using Python for CGI around here?

hudson · 08-14-2003, 07:12 PM

no one into python around here?

Lane · 08-14-2003, 07:16 PM

why python?

SomeCreep · 08-14-2003, 07:17 PM

ewh python? perl or php ...all else is obsolete

Lane · 08-14-2003, 07:19 PM

if u insist on cgi and have the balls, try some C
u might even enjoy it

dnsmonster · 08-14-2003, 07:27 PM

I used to program in Python and still love it. On the other hand, if Perl gets you nutty, Python will drive you insane.

Chris · 08-14-2003, 07:29 PM

hudson · 08-14-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
if u insist on cgi and have the balls, try some C
u might even enjoy it

oh...I got halfway through C Programming Language and Unix Programming Environment and that's really what I wanted to do...just got sidetracked with a few perl projects...ok, maybe forget the scripting languages and get back to trying to learn C?

and thanks for the replies.

hudson · 08-14-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by dnsmonster
I used to program in Python and still love it. On the other hand, if Perl gets you nutty, Python will drive you insane.

well...after 200 - 300 lines of code I am lost...is this just a newbie thing or is this just how programming goes ;-)

hudson · 08-14-2003, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
why python?

python, ruby...those are the things that seem to pop up the most...something different than perl.

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by Lane
why python?

well, actually python looks pretty cool and it would be a new thing

Libertine · 08-15-2003, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by hudson

well...after 200 - 300 lines of code I am lost...is this just a newbie thing or is this just how programming goes ;-)

That means that you code badly. Comments might help.

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

That means that you code badly. Comments might help.

nooooooo....I don't think so...!!

maybe I just get confused too easily ;-)

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:19 AM

It is just fucking perl is a write once language...been said a thousand times before....

dougeetx · 08-15-2003, 01:24 AM

speaking as a website, PYTHON IS HELL ON A SERVER!

Alky · 08-15-2003, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by hudson
It is just fucking perl is a write once language...been said a thousand times before....

write once?

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by dougeetx
speaking as a website, PYTHON IS HELL ON A SERVER!

oh cool...thanks for the reply...maybe I should learn C instead ;-)

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:31 AM

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Originally posted by Alky
write once?

write only...read never...I would rather rewrite code than to try to understand what I wrote before ;-)

blazin · 08-15-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by hudson

write only...read never...I would rather rewrite code than to try to understand what I wrote before ;-)

Simple solution - Write readable code and comment your shit!

If you can't read your own perl then you will trouble with any programming language.

The only things that are difficult to read are complex regular expressions

hudson · 08-15-2003, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by blazin

Simple solution - Write readable code and comment your shit!

If you can't read your own perl then you will trouble with any programming language.

The only things that are difficult to read are complex regular expressions

no...no...no...don't pin this shit on me...lot's of people say perl is a write only language...it isn't just me!

Alky · 08-15-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by hudson

no...no...no...don't pin this shit on me...lot's of people say perl is a write only language...it isn't just me!

thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

Baal · 08-15-2003, 01:51 AM

Take Python for what it is intended to do. It's indented loop structure is awkward, but visibly logical. It's meant to be a CONTROL language to launch other sub-programs/APIs.

Think of PERL as a swiss army knife... it can do anything, but it isn't always pretty. Python is like an army general, controlling what other programs do, and bossing them around. Coding a solution in only Python is silly in most cases (even at slashdot.org). Using Python to integrate, say, 5 different codebases in 5 different (computer) languages is what Python is intended to do. It's the glue that helps other different parts work together.

Yes, Python sucks up system resources. But if it's used to only launch other programs (with a reasonably minimum amount of processing logic within the Python code), as it's meant to be used, it really kicks ass as a control language.

IMP^or^SNiTL.e · 08-15-2003, 02:09 AM

cgi is fun

blazin · 08-15-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by hudson

no...no...no...don't pin this shit on me...lot's of people say perl is a write only language...it isn't just me!

Lots of people don't know how to code

Lane · 08-15-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by hudson

oh...I got halfway through C Programming Language and Unix Programming Environment and that's really what I wanted to do...just got sidetracked with a few perl projects...ok, maybe forget the scripting languages and get back to trying to learn C?

and thanks for the replies.

C is just fast, but it will take you much longer to code the same thing.

PHP is the best scripting language by far. Its really good for web scripts.

C can have performance advantages if your code involves a lot of system calls. And its a pretty low level language (meaning close to the machine level). Not many people bother to learn C, but if you do, you can learn a lot about language structures, memory management, file systems and other system related stuff as you use it.

plsureking · 08-15-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

PHP is the best scripting language by far. Its really good for web scripts.

i agree. unless you're writing software, keep it simple stupid. what the hell are you writing anyway?

hudson · 08-15-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

thanks a lot...

here's a random quote from the newsgroups:

"Have a look at python sometime... All the power of perl, object orientation if you want it, and it's write once, read later rather than perl's write once, read later and scratch head wondering what it does..."

hudson · 08-15-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

C is just fast, but it will take you much longer to code the same thing.

PHP is the best scripting language by far. Its really good for web scripts.

C can have performance advantages if your code involves a lot of system calls. And its a pretty low level language (meaning close to the machine level). Not many people bother to learn C, but if you do, you can learn a lot about language structures, memory management, file systems and other system related stuff as you use it.

Lane, I think just even reading books by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie taught me a hell of a lot about programming and it translates over to perl or whatever you use. But...I know it will take me a year or two to finally learn C ;-)

Babaganoosh · 08-15-2003, 07:30 PM

Perl and PHP both have their place. If I am just doing some simple scripting and need some dynamic content, then it's PHP all the way. I do the more sophisticated tasks in Perl. PHP just isn't able to handle some of the things I need to do.

If I have something that is going to see some serious traffic then it's C all the way. PHP and Perl are both slow compared to well written C. C is a real pain in the ass to write...for me anyway. It takes about twice as long as Perl or PHP.

Advantage: Perl

Babaganoosh · 08-15-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by hudson

here's a random quote from the newsgroups:

"Have a look at python sometime... All the power of perl, object orientation if you want it, and it's write once, read later rather than perl's write once, read later and scratch head wondering what it does..."

That's just silly. What kind of programmer looks at his code and says "what was I trying to do there"? The only code I wrote that leaves me scratching my head was shit I wrote my first couple of months of programming. Good god that was some funky code (about 5 years ago, don't worry).

hudson · 08-15-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by blazin

Lots of people don't know how to code

hmmm...talking to me? hehe...

hudson · 08-15-2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

That's just silly. What kind of programmer looks at his code and says "what was I trying to do there"? The only code I wrote that leaves me scratching my head was shit I wrote my first couple of months of programming. Good god that was some funky code (about 5 years ago, don't worry).

well....its been said a lot that perl is a write once language. maybe it is just a common myth?

of course, once you get into the code you can figure it out.

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