Having no plans does not mean they will not do it. Amex told us they had no plans either a few years ago until they dropped the axe. Everyone should take precautions.

Mitch

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I wouldn't hold my breath!

Dutchbilling has owed me several hundred dollars for months and they won't even tell me why they won't pay.

exactly

As I said before, process of elimination.

Where would be a better place to start cleaning up the internet than by shutting down the sites that the majority wont miss?

Next time it might be the 'type of content on YOUR site'

Process of elimination.

Visa is a company. Visa is not the law, they do not legislate, they do not regulate.

Just as you decide what sponsor to use or what affiliates to take traffic from, Visa decides what they consider acceptable as a company and base their decisions on those parameters.

If the cb and credit ratios for certain types of sites are problematic, or the associations for Visa as a company for those types of sites are unsavory to the association, the member banks, or the management, then why in the hell should they process for them?

Visa doesn't owe anyone in adult a damn thing. They are a payment method and nothing more than that. They aren't censors, they aren't legislators, they are a payment processing method.

If you dont like it, find another way to take payments. If your customers want to see what you have bad enough, they will pay a different way.

this sums it up. to any here who seem intent on braying that VISA is 'cleaning up the industry' in terms of acceptable content, you people must be clueless... this is probably the most dangerous happening in the adult/online venue to date..

Visa is a payment method, no more, no less.

Instead of sitting around crying about it, find a new way to take in payments if they won't process for you.

At last some sense.

Did it occut to anyone that this industry is consumer driven?

There are other ways of getting money from someone who is begging to buy. How many other cards, are there that will do adult, sitting in the side linse just waiting for Visa/MC to say "No to all adult" I would start looking at these people and be thinking about buying shares in them.

Their are also dialers and MSM billing. Don't give in yet I will tell you when the sky is falling.

This is why they are banning legal terms such as " teen" ?

Looks to me like censorship... just like when on TV you hear " bleep"....

Am watching the situation very closely, their bank is asking for merchants to re-apply.

Because they dont want to do that business, which is perfectly within their rights.

They are a business, they reserve the right to do business with whomever they choose. America isn't a socialist state, we don't force businesses to do business with those they don't want to work with.

Instead of lamenting the loss of Visa, I'd spend my time looking for alternate billing methods.

Charly is quite right in the matter, if the consumer wants it, he'll figure out a way to pay for it.

Look at gaming sites. They cant get US credit cards through, and haven't been able to before there were laws in the US prohibiting it, but that doesn't mean that US consumers don't gamble on line now does it?

Be proactive.

What if Visa pulled the plug tomorrow? Do you think that porn would just disappear? Hell no, the smart guys would have new ways of taking in a buck within a few days.

Does that mean epassporte will process for my beasty sites?

;-)))))))

You're just dying for a kick in the nuts in Van, aren't you ;)

ePassporte is a business just like any other, and does reserve the right to choose whose business it takes.

Personally I dont care about the furry sites, but I can't necessarily speak for everyone else in the joint.

I agree

It still sucks with their virtual monopoly on payment taking systems...

Yes but sucks doesn't equate to censorship or any of that nonsense. It's a business decision for them and one that I can understand, since I've seen the numbers on these types of sites, and in most cases they are so not pretty.

you know I normally charge extra for CBT ;-)))

hmmm, maybe if we get them really drunk in Vancouver, they will come around to my way of thinking? ;-)))

I agree

but I do find it odd that I can buy movies with my Visa card at amazon.com that are full of incest, underage sex, rape, explicit drug use, etc.

Different venue, different type of transaction. You buy a book at Amazon, they dont charge you for a new copy every month.

hmmm, amazon.com is missing out on some revenue ;-))

Exactly. It's all - and purely - about providing consumers with a way to pay for what they want when they can't use cash. Not rocket science. And certainly not reliant on Visa/MC for its future.

Should I click on your sig... lol

You getting one from NetBilling? If not, who are you getting a merchant account from?

For me, I'd love to take precautions. But saving up money still doesn't solve the problem if they pull out since business will grind to a halt pretty fast without Visa. What we need are alternatives.

Sure, we still have Checking/ACH, but not everyone feels comfortable using that and lots of Americans like to use their CC since they don't have the money to spend in the first place.

Any suggestions?

but of course, it is the ETHICAL dialer after all lol

LOL ... I never had an " ETHICAL" one...