Moralality Discussing In Here - Pro Billing, - GoFuckYourself.com

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:20 PM

hi guys, and first off my apolofys to probilling, not trying to flame, you or cause shit, but I do want to discuss something in the open here, and it involves you guys,

ok,

I own and run, vidsvidsvids.com
there is a cyber swatting dude, who bough,

vidvidvid.com and vidsvidsvid.com

now he redirects my typo traffic to his porn site,

using probilling.com

so from my point of view, him ,the webmaster and the processor are making money on my typos,

and I wanted to open this up for debate,

do you think cyber sqwatting is bad,

and do you think sponsors and billing companies should be paying dudes who cyber sqwat,

id really liek to hear from probilling. I mean you guys could help me alot, just tell the dude, to give me the domains or your wont pay him,

whats everyone think about all that

pr0 · 08-13-2003, 01:22 PM

Pretty fucked up if you ask me, would have a nice long discussion with the owner for sure though.

Does he live anywhere near you?

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by pr0
Pretty fucked up if you ask me, would have a nice long discussion with the owner for sure though.

Does he live anywhere near you?

nah, you know how these cyber sqwatting dudes are,

they buy domains just for type in traffic,

the thing is I cna get the domains back with ICANN arbitration,

but its only worth the money after exhasting other options,

im wondering is probilling will play ball with me, and help me get the domains,

as far as the owner of those domains he does not answer the phone or emails,

Sly_RJ · 08-13-2003, 01:30 PM

Why should Probilling, or any other sponsor, get involved with your legal issues?

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Why should Probilling, or any other sponsor, get involved with your legal issues?

this is true, im not flamming them,

just opening up a discussion,

in general platant stuff can be handles in good faith,

its like if someone steals content, we like that the billing company and sponsors stick up for the owner of the content,

I mean, probilling could call this dude, and say dude

can you give jason his domains, or maybe i offer a little money,

and the guy would be like no fuck jason,

and then probilling would be like, you want to get payed? play fair,

and he would be like yah ok, ill play fair,

see in a perfect world when people stand up for whats right, things can get done, the easy way,

Sly_RJ · 08-13-2003, 01:36 PM

It's a nice thought, but Probilling would be opening itself up to a world of little troubles. Everybody would want them to do the same thing. It's not their job to police domains, it's their job to process your orders.

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
It's a nice thought, but Probilling would be opening itself up to a world of little troubles. Everybody would want them to do the same thing. It's not their job to police domains, it's their job to process your orders.

yah thats true,

it would be nice though, I hope they see this and comment,

as for the owner of those domains,

it would be nice to hear from him,

I mean id liek to talk with him before gettting all militant and on my high horse,

I mean I did my research,

you send a ciest and decist, adn wait for a answer, then you do ICANN domain arbitration and wait for a judgement, then you collect your domain back,

thats the way it works, costs about 2000$ a domain, well in this guys case, I can grab both with the same proceedings,

WiredGuy · 08-13-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by imJason
do you think cyber sqwatting is bad,

and do you think sponsors and billing companies should be paying dudes who cyber sqwat

Well, obviously this guy is profiting from your type-in traffic and you have a legal right to enforce that. Is it worth the time/cost is a decision you need to make if you think its a significant amount of traffic. Often times a harrassing phone call or two to the squatter from a lawyer is enough to get him to release the domains.

From the billing point of view, it's really difficult to say since I imagine a billing company does not want to get involved in disputes unless required to by law. For a clear and cut case of trademark infringement or child pornography or DMCA violations I imagine they will help, but a dispute like this I imagine they would not want to get involved in unless required to.

Just my thoughts...
WG

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Well, obviously this guy is profiting from your type-in traffic and you have a legal right to enforce that. Is it worth the time/cost is a decision you need to make if you think its a significant amount of traffic. Often times a harrassing phone call or two to the squatter from a lawyer is enough to get him to release the domains.

From the billing point of view, it's really difficult to say since I imagine a billing company does not want to get involved in disputes unless required to by law. For a clear and cut case of trademark infringement or child pornography or DMCA violations I imagine they will help, but a dispute like this I imagine they would not want to get involved in unless required to.

Just my thoughts...
WG

see you are right ,I know how to be a bad ass with the guy if it comes to that, im just looking for the easy cheap way, the leverage way, I mean if billing companies make decision on child porn and cut and clear things,

I mean I would argue vidvidvid.com is obviously stealing from me,

and I would hope the billing company would help me out because there client is a thief,

imJason · 08-13-2003, 01:44 PM

i supose my lawyer could send letters to the host, owner and billing company,

for maximum impact,

I mean I dont fault the host or biller, but I mean once something like this is brought to there attention,

I think cyber sqwatting should be handled in the same way as content theft,

anyone agree with that???

Sly_RJ · 08-13-2003, 01:49 PM

It isn't for the billing or hosting company to decide whether or not vidvidvid.com is infringing on your domain likeness. Comparing this to CP is ridiculous at best. You're comparing apples to oranges. CP is very clear and very illegal. Domain likeness infringement isn't.

directfiesta · 08-13-2003, 02:02 PM

This is a reality of our business...

It is up to you to either buy the domains from him, or at the very beginning register typo-like domains...

Not the billing or hosting company's problem, mainly that your name is not a " trademark" or consumer aware name.

imJason · 08-13-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
It isn't for the billing or hosting company to decide whether or not vidvidvid.com is infringing on your domain likeness. Comparing this to CP is ridiculous at best. You're comparing apples to oranges. CP is very clear and very illegal. Domain likeness infringement isn't.

yah your right,

but take this,

why would someone redirect vidvidvid.com to a video porn site???

my case is not related to CP, that you are very right,

but IM am related to content theft, my case is open and shut,

vidvidvid.com is for typo hits from me only, other wise he would not be directing it to a video porn site,

thats my

imJason · 08-13-2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
This is a reality of our business...

It is up to you to either buy the domains from him, or at the very beginning register typo-like domains...

Not the billing or hosting company's problem, mainly that your name is not a " trademark" or consumer aware name.

ok but if someone stole from you, and you came to me for help???

what should I do?

Sly_RJ · 08-13-2003, 02:18 PM

Uhh... that isn't content theft. Not sure what it would be considered, most likely something close to infringement of company likeness.

dicknixon · 08-13-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by imJason

yah your right,

but take this,

why would someone redirect vidvidvid.com to a video porn site???

my case is not related to CP, that you are very right,

but IM am related to content theft, my case is open and shut,

vidvidvid.com is for typo hits from me only, other wise he would not be directing it to a video porn site,

thats my

Jason:

I imagine you could try contacting his host as well. A while back i was using the term "dogfart" on some posts of mine, and the guy from blacksonblondes kept emailing me, my host and my billing company about me infinging on his trademark. (I checked with the trademark office, there is no fucking trademark on dogfart) . . but eventually he became such an annoying pest that I decided to dump the domain all together and move on.

Just a thought . . .

(nice site by the way)

imJason · 08-13-2003, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Uhh... that isn't content theft. Not sure what it would be considered, most likely something close to infringement of company likeness.

yah not content theft, but on the same level, when its blatant,

case #1 redirecting to video porn, when my site is video porn,

case #2 buying more than 1 typo of my domain owning,
vidvidvid.com and vidsvidsvid.com

im still hopeing probilling will give a shit and help me out,

otherwise I will have to be a dick with them, the owner of the domains and then the host,

and once I hit brick walls with those three, then I would have to resort to legal matters,

directfiesta · 08-13-2003, 02:39 PM

I am curious, so I took a look:

he is not redirecting, he has actually 2 sites ( identical) up.

Obviously, he is " riding" on mistakes by surfers, but if his sites become popular, you are the one that is going to ride on his sites popularity.

The sites are all porn, but yours is really a nice and huge bank of links, referrers, etc...

His sites are real paysites....

I had the same done to me in the past with .net, .org . I raised the voice, sent a lawyer's letter ( scary, but honestly worthless) and got them to transfer the domainns for 50$ .

Just go on doing your business... and stop thinking about it... at least not all the time.

Kevlar Hosting · 08-13-2003, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Why should Probilling, or any other sponsor, get involved with your legal issues?

Agreed, it's not up to them to decide who has the right to which domain. If sponsors and billers start becoming the jury on issues that don't involve them, we have problems.

imJason · 08-13-2003, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
I am curious, so I took a look:

he is not redirecting, he has actually 2 sites ( identical) up.

Obviously, he is " riding" on mistakes by surfers, but if his sites become popular, you are the one that is going to ride on his sites popularity.

The sites are all porn, but yours is really a nice and huge bank of links, referrers, etc...

His sites are real paysites....

I had the same done to me in the past with .net, .org . I raised the voice, sent a lawyer's letter ( scary, but honestly worthless) and got them to transfer the domainns for 50$ .

Just go on doing your business... and stop thinking about it... at least not all the time.

lol his pay site is call xxx live shows, on a domain, vidsvidsvid.com I get 300,000 visitors a day, its obviously cyber sqwatting, he certainly not building a brand,

just because hes not redirecting the domains to pop up hell, but instead using a video pay sites, does not make it ok, he just means he treats surfers a little differently than most cyber swatters

imJason · 08-13-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kevlar Hosting

Agreed, it's not up to them to decide who has the right to which domain. If sponsors and billers start becoming the jury on issues that don't involve them, we have problems.

its not a matter of deciding its a matter of policy,
its plain to anyone to see,

vidsvidsvid.com is a miss speling of vidsvidsvids.com

and thats the missing s is cyber swatting,

he is sending traffic to niche similar to mine, hence using my traffic the best way he can,

its not a matter of deciding ,or getting involved,

its a matter of right vs wrong, and of policy,

if I bough

cybereroticaa.com and directed into a to a mega site call xxx lives shows and used probilling to make money off cyber eroticas traffic,

is that ok?

no its not, am im well withing my rigth to sue, or get those domains,

and 95% chance I would get those domains,

thats the legal side of it,

then on the other side, we have policy issues,

when someone steals content, sponsors and billiers are part of that,

they can excersise judgement and take sides when there clients imbarass them, or break policy rules

thats all im talking about,

im saying, maybe probilling will say wow, that guy is a dick adn stealing jasons traffic, lets help with this,

turninf a blind eye, and saying ohh well, not my problem,

its not a attitude I like to see from people,

imJason · 08-13-2003, 04:54 PM

see asshole alert,

in adition to the guys using my type o's

check this out

http://vidsvidsvids.com/main.html

and some assholes site,

http://www.sexgroom.com/

stole my ads, and stole my listings,

im just saying,

people are just asses,

ah, he also hotlinks my images,

lol

Sly_RJ · 08-13-2003, 04:58 PM

It must be nice living in a black and white world. Give me a call when you find reality.

Mr.Fiction · 08-13-2003, 05:03 PM

It costs $325 to register a trademark in the U.S.

If your business isn't worth spending $325 to protect, then you have bigger problems than just this one guy.

Once you have a registered trademark, you can take action to get the domains back. Until then, you have very little chance of anyone doing anything.

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Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	It's a nice thought, but Probilling would be opening itself up to a world of little troubles. Everybody would want them to do the same thing. It's not their job to police domains, it's their job to process your orders. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

08-13-2003, 01:44 PM	#10
imJason Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,215	i supose my lawyer could send letters to the host, owner and billing company, for maximum impact, I mean I dont fault the host or biller, but I mean once something like this is brought to there attention, I think cyber sqwatting should be handled in the same way as content theft, anyone agree with that??? __________________ IM Jason 31227578 http://www.vidsvidsvids.com

08-13-2003, 01:49 PM	#11
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	It isn't for the billing or hosting company to decide whether or not vidvidvid.com is infringing on your domain likeness. Comparing this to CP is ridiculous at best. You're comparing apples to oranges. CP is very clear and very illegal. Domain likeness infringement isn't. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

08-13-2003, 02:02 PM	#12
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,795	This is a reality of our business... It is up to you to either buy the domains from him, or at the very beginning register typo-like domains... Not the billing or hosting company's problem, mainly that your name is not a " trademark" or consumer aware name. __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-13-2003, 01:20 PM	#1
imJason Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,215	Moralality Discussing In Here - Pro Billing, hi guys, and first off my apolofys to probilling, not trying to flame, you or cause shit, but I do want to discuss something in the open here, and it involves you guys, ok, I own and run, vidsvidsvids.com there is a cyber swatting dude, who bough, vidvidvid.com and vidsvidsvid.com now he redirects my typo traffic to his porn site, using probilling.com so from my point of view, him ,the webmaster and the processor are making money on my typos, and I wanted to open this up for debate, do you think cyber sqwatting is bad, and do you think sponsors and billing companies should be paying dudes who cyber sqwat, id really liek to hear from probilling. I mean you guys could help me alot, just tell the dude, to give me the domains or your wont pay him, whats everyone think about all that __________________ IM Jason 31227578 http://www.vidsvidsvids.com

08-13-2003, 01:22 PM	#2
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Pretty fucked up if you ask me, would have a nice long discussion with the owner for sure though. Does he live anywhere near you? __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

08-13-2003, 02:18 PM	#15
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Uhh... that isn't content theft. Not sure what it would be considered, most likely something close to infringement of company likeness. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

08-13-2003, 02:39 PM	#18
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,795	I am curious, so I took a look: he is not redirecting, he has actually 2 sites ( identical) up. Obviously, he is " riding" on mistakes by surfers, but if his sites become popular, you are the one that is going to ride on his sites popularity. The sites are all porn, but yours is really a nice and huge bank of links, referrers, etc... His sites are real paysites.... I had the same done to me in the past with .net, .org . I raised the voice, sent a lawyer's letter ( scary, but honestly worthless) and got them to transfer the domainns for 50$ . Just go on doing your business... and stop thinking about it... at least not all the time. __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-13-2003, 04:54 PM	#22
imJason Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,215	see asshole alert, in adition to the guys using my type o's check this out http://vidsvidsvids.com/main.html and some assholes site, http://www.sexgroom.com/ stole my ads, and stole my listings, im just saying, people are just asses, ah, he also hotlinks my images, lol __________________ IM Jason 31227578 http://www.vidsvidsvids.com

08-13-2003, 04:58 PM	#23
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08-13-2003, 05:03 PM	#24
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	It costs $325 to register a trademark in the U.S. If your business isn't worth spending $325 to protect, then you have bigger problems than just this one guy. Once you have a registered trademark, you can take action to get the domains back. Until then, you have very little chance of anyone doing anything. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA