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iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 02:36 AM

why doesn't it support the .png format properly? ugh.

Amputate Your Head · 08-13-2003, 02:37 AM

huh?

IE supports PNG

Jakke PNG · 08-13-2003, 02:37 AM

Can I use png without any complications on any browsers?
I don't see it around much .

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 02:41 AM

the problem i'm having is whenever you have a transparent (or translucent, in this case) png, IE seems to render the png in solid gray. i used to have a logo on another site for a short time with a png because of its drop shadow with transparency, but it always rendered the transparent part in gray.

i found some sort of workaround on a site, but it's very long, drawn out, and it probably means i'm going to have to get the browser type, then implement the code based on that (and the workaround code is pretty big). that is a serious pain in the arse, unless i'm doing something wrong with the png's. just saving them in imageready as a png-24, and calling them directly in html. works fine in mozilla.

edit: i was reading on another site as well that there have been a lot of issues with png and ie. there's even a petition to M$ to include proper support. m$ promised, but hasn't delivered, apparently, even against the w3c recommendation...

Amputate Your Head · 08-13-2003, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
the problem i'm having is whenever you have a transparent (or translucent, in this case) png, IE seems to render the png in solid gray. i used to have a logo on another site for a short time with a png because of its drop shadow with transparency, but it always rendered the transparent part in gray.

i found some sort of workaround on a site, but it's very long, drawn out, and it probably means i'm going to have to get the browser type, then implement the code based on that (and the workaround code is pretty big). that is a serious pain in the arse, unless i'm doing something wrong with the png's. just saving them in imageready as a png-24, and calling them directly in html. works fine in mozilla.

use gif for transparency.

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

use gif for transparency.

i know, but gif's won't properly render certain transparencies that i've found. and they don't do very well on translucency. i'm using the image for a translucent background on a table, and it won't render right in GIF (alpha transparency?).

pudcat · 08-13-2003, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
the problem i'm having is whenever you have a transparent (or translucent, in this case) png, IE seems to render the png in solid gray. i used to have a logo on another site for a short time with a png because of its drop shadow with transparency, but it always rendered the transparent part in gray.

i found some sort of workaround on a site, but it's very long, drawn out, and it probably means i'm going to have to get the browser type, then implement the code based on that (and the workaround code is pretty big). that is a serious pain in the arse, unless i'm doing something wrong with the png's. just saving them in imageready as a png-24, and calling them directly in html. works fine in mozilla.

edit: i was reading on another site as well that there have been a lot of issues with png and ie. there's even a petition to M$ to include proper support. m$ promised, but hasn't delivered, apparently, even against the w3c recommendation...

it sucks doesn't it

you are doing it correctly.

pudcat · 08-13-2003, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
use gif for transparency.

Gif's have very crappy support for transparency, png's have excellent support... just that those fuckwits at M$ are lazy and won't add proper support into IE...

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 02:51 AM

i think i've got the solution... i'll post a link if i get it to work.

Amputate Your Head · 08-13-2003, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pudcat

Gif's have very crappy support for transparency, png's have excellent support... just that those fuckwits at M$ are lazy and won't add proper support into IE...

I wasn't debating which is the superior format.... If MS adds support for it, I'm sure things will change.... but you gotta use what works for the present.

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 03:13 AM

ok, it works for displaying png images, but i can't get it to work with 'background=""' (i.e. only works with img src)

maybe someone out there with a little more coding experience can get this to work?? here the link:

http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html

wsjb78 · 08-13-2003, 03:32 AM

http://www.opera.com

Filter · 08-13-2003, 03:47 AM

Never tried opera... I think today is the day

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 04:05 AM

hahaha, suckas! i got it to work, and using it as a background (which the example above does not work with).

cheers

pudcat · 08-13-2003, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
hahaha, suckas! i got it to work, and using it as a background (which the example above does not work with).

cheers

thanks for sharing your code

iroc409 · 08-13-2003, 06:36 AM

that link above i gave will work with png's in an img src tag only. you can set it to a background in a div, i got it to work, but i hit another wall. it appears what i'm using now will only work on a per-graphic basis, and since i'm using 4 div's in the document (or 4 table cells), it only works on the first cell. looks like i'd have to go through and write a whole new version (or modify the existing one into 4 versions) for each cell. that's a little too inefficient for my tastes, i think i'll just say fuck it, and people with IE can look at a gray background

anyways, here's the link you can use to make it work in a div background

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/pngopacity/

ok, now buy some stuff from me today

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iroc409 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 4,728	the problem i'm having is whenever you have a transparent (or translucent, in this case) png, IE seems to render the png in solid gray. i used to have a logo on another site for a short time with a png because of its drop shadow with transparency, but it always rendered the transparent part in gray. i found some sort of workaround on a site, but it's very long, drawn out, and it probably means i'm going to have to get the browser type, then implement the code based on that (and the workaround code is pretty big). that is a serious pain in the arse, unless i'm doing something wrong with the png's. just saving them in imageready as a png-24, and calling them directly in html. works fine in mozilla. edit: i was reading on another site as well that there have been a lot of issues with png and ie. there's even a petition to M$ to include proper support. m$ promised, but hasn't delivered, apparently, even against the w3c recommendation... __________________ <a href="http://www.iroc409.com/"><img src="http://www.iroc409.com/adv/120x60.gif" border=0></a> icq: 1 7 6 4 2 0 9 6 0 Gallery templates for ONLY $25! w00t! Last edited by iroc409; 08-13-2003 at 02:44 AM..

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iroc409 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 4,728	ok, it works for displaying png images, but i can't get it to work with 'background=""' (i.e. only works with img src) maybe someone out there with a little more coding experience can get this to work?? here the link: http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html __________________ <a href="http://www.iroc409.com/"><img src="http://www.iroc409.com/adv/120x60.gif" border=0></a> icq: 1 7 6 4 2 0 9 6 0 Gallery templates for ONLY $25! w00t!

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iroc409 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 4,728	hahaha, suckas! i got it to work, and using it as a background (which the example above does not work with). cheers __________________ <a href="http://www.iroc409.com/"><img src="http://www.iroc409.com/adv/120x60.gif" border=0></a> icq: 1 7 6 4 2 0 9 6 0 Gallery templates for ONLY $25! w00t!

08-13-2003, 06:36 AM	#16
iroc409 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 4,728	that link above i gave will work with png's in an img src tag only. you can set it to a background in a div, i got it to work, but i hit another wall. it appears what i'm using now will only work on a per-graphic basis, and since i'm using 4 div's in the document (or 4 table cells), it only works on the first cell. looks like i'd have to go through and write a whole new version (or modify the existing one into 4 versions) for each cell. that's a little too inefficient for my tastes, i think i'll just say fuck it, and people with IE can look at a gray background anyways, here's the link you can use to make it work in a div background http://www.alistapart.com/stories/pngopacity/ ok, now buy some stuff from me today __________________ <a href="http://www.iroc409.com/"><img src="http://www.iroc409.com/adv/120x60.gif" border=0></a> icq: 1 7 6 4 2 0 9 6 0 Gallery templates for ONLY $25! w00t!