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Old 08-12-2003, 02:10 PM   #1
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arms dealer arrested trying to smuggle sufrace-to-air missile into States

British arms dealer arrested in US


A Briton has been arrested after a suspected plot to supply a lethal surface-to-air missile to terrorists.
Western intelligence officials have confirmed to the BBC it was a multinational sting operation, involving agents from the US, Russia and Britain.

It resulted in the arrest of a British arms dealer at Newark in New Jersey on Tuesday.

Officials say he successfully imported a Russian Igla missile into the US and believed he was selling it to an Muslim extremist.

But his buyer was an undercover FBI agent and the arms dealer's voice is heard on tape saying he wanted the missile to be used to shoot down a large passenger plane.

The FBI have denied that the plane in question was Airforce One, the US President's official aircraft.

Although no actual terrorists are thought to have been involved in the operation, intelligence officials said it was a terrifying illustration of the vulnerability of Western nations to attack by extremists.

Over the last 15 months, there have been three foiled attempts by groups linked to al-Qaeda to shoot down planes carrying Western or Israeli passengers.

BBC correspondent Tom Mangold said the man bought one for $85,000 from a Russian factory and was promised another 50.

He said: "It may not have happened, but when the dealer says he wants to bring down Airforce One, it's pretty dispiriting."

He added the sting demonstrated "fantastic" cooperation between the US, Russia and Britain.

"Old enemies really have joined hands," he said.

Washington officials are remaining tight-lipped about the operation but admitted there had been an arrest.

MI5 and MI6 in London were involved with Russian secret services and the FBI.

The arms dealer flew to New York on Sunday on a British Airways flight from Heathrow Airport in London.

But he was followed on to the plane and kept under surveillance until his arrest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3146025.stm
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Old 08-12-2003, 02:14 PM   #2
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So in reality he was caught having ALREADY smuggled into states, he was only caught when he tried to sell it - which is even more scary!
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Old 08-12-2003, 02:14 PM   #3
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Old 08-12-2003, 02:16 PM   #4
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You would think when the guy said " I want to use it for " he would have been tipped off that it was a cop.

Do people explain to drug dealers they intend to get high?

I mean, buying a surface to air missle is pretty self explanitory right?



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Old 08-12-2003, 02:17 PM   #5
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What does this all say. The root cause of all those terrorist attacks come from corrupted Russia, who will sell arms, bombs and even uranium to anyone who got cash. It is disturbing, the Russian government has to do something about this.
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Old 08-12-2003, 02:18 PM   #6
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So in reality he was caught having ALREADY smuggled into states, he was only caught when he tried to sell it - which is even more scary!
The sentence for someone smuggling is much worse than a sentence for someone attempting to smuggle.

They let him smuggle the goods. They've probably been watching and working with this guy for months. Busted! Muahaha!
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Old 08-12-2003, 02:36 PM   #7
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The sentence for someone smuggling is much worse than a sentence for someone attempting to smuggle.

They let him smuggle the goods. They've probably been watching and working with this guy for months. Busted! Muahaha!
What's the difference between 'smuggling' and 'attempting to smuggle'?

At which point during this process have I actually 'smuggled' and can I then pronounce myself a succesful 'smuggler' ?

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What's the difference between 'smuggling' and 'attempting to smuggle'?

At which point during this process have I actually 'smuggled' and can I then pronounce myself a succesful 'smuggler' ?

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if there were no muslims in the US to buy such a weapon, the US would be a safer place.
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Old 08-12-2003, 03:24 PM   #10
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You know its going to happen eventually. They'll smuggle in stingers. The terrorists will go to a whole bunch of major airports simultaneously and take out a lot of planes at once.

I can't think of a way to prevent it. The borders aren't secure. The terrorist cells are probably already in place. So its just a matter of time.
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damn sarah, you read the news all day?
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This is huge fucking news. It is only a matter of time before someone does get their missles here and then planes will be falling.
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Old 08-12-2003, 03:28 PM   #13
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What's the difference between 'smuggling' and 'attempting to smuggle'?

At which point during this process have I actually 'smuggled' and can I then pronounce myself a succesful 'smuggler' ?

What's the difference between rape and attempted rape? Murder and attempted murder?
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Old 08-12-2003, 03:35 PM   #14
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damn sarah, you read the news all day?

pretty much ...my hubby is a journalist and I went to journalism school (but ended up with a politics degree) so afraid this is a news junkie household. In either case that story broke on the radio when we were listening ..just found the link to go with it ;)
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I heard that they tried to smuggle them in by using this pig. Poor piggy...

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WTF?!? This isn't even a real story?


Although no actual terrorists are thought to have been involved in the operation, intelligence officials said it was a terrifying illustration of the vulnerability of Western nations to attack by extremists.
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Old 08-12-2003, 04:39 PM   #17
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You would think when the guy said " I want to use it for " he would have been tipped off that it was a cop.

Do people explain to drug dealers they intend to get high?

I mean, buying a surface to air missle is pretty self explanitory right?



Stupid arms dealer

I think you misread..

The DEALER said HE wanted it to be used to bring down a plane
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radio is saying two more people have been arrested in connection to this case but not saying much more.
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The sentence for someone smuggling is much worse than a sentence for someone attempting to smuggle.

They let him smuggle the goods. They've probably been watching and working with this guy for months. Busted! Muahaha!
The guy was a small time operator and was running his mouth that he could even supply surface to air missiles...a snitch reported him to the FBI...so FBI Agents pretended to be interested in purchasing surface to air missiles...the guy did not have any missiles of course so he contacted someone in Russia and the Russians informed the FBI that some guy was trying to buy a surface to air missile...the FBI told the Russians to send one over and then the guy was arrested. Like many criminals the guy was just an idiot that let his mouth overload his ass.
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The press...and probably the Justice Department will probably play this story to the hilt...and it really isn't much of a story...some two bit operator that got caught up in an FBI sting operation...because he had a big mouth and was playing the role.
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if there were no muslims in the US to buy such a weapon, the US would be a safer place.
Why not just do away with the constitution and establish martial law with guards in every home, that would make it safer also.
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Why not just do away with the constitution and establish martial law with guards in every home, that would make it safer also.
no need. just get rid of the muslims.

you know, the people who want to kill americans.
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