U.S. Indicts Porn Sellers, Vowing Extensive Attack

[eatapeach]

" The Justice Department on Thursday charged a North Hollywood wholesaler of adult films with violating federal obscenity laws, launching the first of what it promised would be a wave of criminal cases against purveyors of pornography.

The 10-count federal grand jury indictment against Extreme Associates and its executives, Robert Zicari and Janet Romano of Northridge, raising alarm among adult entertainment companies in the San Fernando Valley, which is considered the capital of the nation's multibillion-dollar pornography industry.

Atty. Gen. John Ashhahahahaha promised upon taking office that he would crack down on the distributors of adult entertainment material such as movies, magazines and Web sites, much as his Reagan administration predecessor Edwin Meese III did in the 1980s."

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...home-headlines

[Turboface]

Damn - Time to get a job.

[priest]

This is a huge story and I think this is just the first salvo in a major war against the adult industry.

I have posted the entire 84 pages of the indictment and warrant. Reading through it all really scares me... especially with what is coming down the road...

Extreme Obscenity Indictment and Warrant

[Why]

the sky is falling.... cept this time it might be true.

[Mr.Fiction]

I hope they go after some of the right wing porn site operators.

Even though I think these prosecutions are bullshit and unconstitutional, it will make laugh a tiny bit thinking about the idiots who voted for Bush sitting in jail because they voted for Bush.

[prostock]

is all this over alot fo people that got cought by the wifes why they was jacking off or what , man i just dont get it ?
I guess this is a big reason i stop living inthe usa FREE COUNTRY MY FUCKING assssssss !!!!!!!!!1 , they are the worse country for wanting to controle people !! MAN WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE USA LAW AND PEOPLE


SAD TO SEE IT IS ALL GOING TO THIS !

[Turboface]

Originally posted by prostock
I guess this is a big reason i stop living inthe usa FREE COUNTRY MY FUCKING assssssss !!!!!!!!!

I'd rather live in the United States than anywhere else in the world.

[flashfreak]

Originally posted by Turboface


I'd rather live in the United States than anywhere else in the world.

huh... have you visited other countries?

[Gutterboy]

And the long awaited reduction in competition begins.

Lets just hope I'm not the one getting reduced

[Marcus]

what exactly are they indicting people with online?
whats the criteria? no warning page? no 2257 statement? do they say?

[pudcat]

Originally posted by Turboface


I'd rather live in the United States than anywhere else in the world.

[goBigtime]

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ed...me+Associates+


Hey wait.... wasn't this old news?

I thought they won this case?... or was that at the state level or something and now the gov picked it up?

[Turboface]

Originally posted by flashfreak

huh... have you visited other countries?

I've only been to a few other countries. I'm not putting down people that live elsewhere. I'm just saying that I am thankful to be right here. Why do you think people from all over the world come to live in the United States?

[prostock]

Originally posted by Turboface



I've only been to a few other countries. I'm not putting down people that live elsewhere. I'm just saying that I am thankful to be right here. Why do you think people from all over the world come to live in the United States?

Turbo

me and you are cool with each other you know that , i think you are a cool guy , but trust me when i say you are lving in a glass house , man you would really have to go and travel the world before you can really say that ,
Dont get me wrong i am more then ever proud to be a AMERICAN trust me on that , but the laws and bull shit any more are to much there .

People pay tax on shit they shouldnt , get told what to do more then one way , told where they can and cannt smoke . Live in Ca and you are told you cannt have a 2cylce bike or lawn mower , just to much wild shit .
I cant lie in a small way i miss some things , but more then that i dont miss it . I not been home this time in two years and not in a rush to go .

Can i ask what countrys you been to , Mexico doesnt count , again if you learn more that is out there you will learn of some great place to live .

You say why so many running to live there not like it use to be , have you ever been to Thai , shit there if not you will shit on the amount of people that live there that are not Thai ,

again not bashing you please dont think that , just saying there is more then just the usa .

[Rorschach]

Originally posted by Gutterboy
And the long awaited reduction in competition begins.

Lets just hope I'm not the one getting reduced

lol

[Muff]

Didn't read through all the indictment. But it seems that they were filming simulated rape scenes.

[baddog]

Originally posted by prostock

Live in Ca and you are told you cannt have a 2cylce bike or lawn mower ,

by Ca, you mean California? If so, WTF are you talking about?

Also, why doesn't Mexico count as a foreign country? Ever been there? Sure seems foreign to me.

Seems like there are a lot more Flips moving here, than USA citizens moving there . . . wonder why that is?

[Matt_WildCash]

To do a rape and murder porn movie in America and after you've been raided to have the "Federal five" (still selling the movies they are about screw you over for). And putting a special discount price on the movies and continuing business as usual.

This guy can't be to bright. But at least he is rich so he can put up a decent defence. He's asking to goto jail with those sort of movies though.

That said, I don't want them to convict him cause whos next?
Anything mildly extreme becomes illegal cause the Republications dont' like it?

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Driven
Anything mildly extreme becomes illegal cause the Republications dont' like it?

By jove I think you've got it!

[Plan9]

Originally posted by Driven
To do a rape and murder porn movie in America and after you've been raided to have the "Federal five" (still selling the movies they are about screw you over for). And putting a special discount price on the movies and continuing business as usual.

This guy can't be to bright. But at least he is rich so he can put up a decent defence. He's asking to goto jail with those sort of movies though.

That said, I don't want them to convict him cause whos next?
Anything mildly extreme becomes illegal cause the Republications dont' like it?

Yeah he may be able to put up a decent defense...but for how long? These government legal teams can cockblock anyone to infinity, they have unlimited resources whereas he's just one lone webmaster - even if he does have millions.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Plan9
Yeah he may be able to put up a decent defense...but for how long? These government legal teams can cockblock anyone to infinity, they have unlimited resources whereas he's just one lone webmaster - even if he does have millions.

People who don't think a successful legal assault on porn can happen need to think back to the aftermath of the Meese Commission during Reagans last term. Quite a few people served time, lots of companies were hit with enormous fines, and even more got scared out of business.

If you think times have changed since then, maybe they have, at least in a few large metropolitan areas and the San Fernando Valley. Unfortunately if you're unlucky enough to get prosecuted in flyover country or the South, which is where they will go after you, you can kiss it goodbye. Most of us live in more "enlightened" area's of the country, but a whole lot of America still lives in the 50's (or wishes they did).

[amil]

The best place to live is brazil. You just have to learn the language. I left LA 6 months ago. I have no regrets. Our studios are set up here in Brazil. http://www.dopestreams.com The dollar slipped a lot in the last 9 months but it is back to 3 real to 1 usd. The cost of living is super cheap. I have off duty police for securtiy(dirt cheap.) I paid for a license to carry a gun( $200usd). If you have $$$ sky is the limit here. Beautiful beaches and people everywhere. $5000 a month here you are living almost like odai hussein.(lol)

[sirrobin]

The USA is no place to be if you are a porn webmaster.

I dont even keep 2257 records

[lyno]

Meese Commission.. anyone knows where to find the original report? (not the offical one

I only found some interesting articles

The research disproving the claim that sexual imagery triggers aggression would exhaust the remainder of this issue. The best overview can be read in The Question of Pornography: Research Findings and Policy Implications2, where authors Edward Donnerstein, Daniel Linz and Steven Penrod conclude, "Should harsher penalties be leveled against persons who traffic in pornography, particularly violent pornography? We do not beleive so . . . as we have noted, the existing research probably does not justify this approach."3 Neither the overview of the research prepared by Dr. Edna Einsiedel for the Meese Commission nor the Surgeon's General Report found a causal link between sexual material and anti-social behavior. When the Meese Commission, ignoring its own research, recommended restrictions on sexual material, two commissioners -- both women -- issued a dissenting report saying, "No self-respecting investigator would accept conclusions based on such a study."4 One dissenter, Dr. Judith Becker, director of the Sexual Behavior Clinic at New York State Psychiatric Institute, told The New York Times, "I've been working with sex offenders for 10 years and have reviewed the scientific literature and I don't think a causal link exists between pornography and sex crimes."

http://home.earthlink.net/~durangoda...Censorship.htm
http://www.marciapally.com/harm02.html

[prostock]

Originally posted by baddog


by Ca, you mean California? If so, WTF are you talking about?

Also, why doesn't Mexico count as a foreign country? Ever been there? Sure seems foreign to me.

Seems like there are a lot more Flips moving here, than USA citizens moving there . . . wonder why that is?

let me ask this one did i say any thing about living in PI with the FLIPS was all that great i didnt , and trust me i have been to more countrys then most people been to citys

and over the Cal thing alot has to do with it they are going nutts there where to smoke what to use and so on we all know this

and for Mexico , ya it is a country and if you using that as a ref to WOOOHOO you are a WORLD traveler DAMN i pitty that

my point there is other life out side the usa , Dont be so afraid get out and learn to travel and you might see

[cherrylula]

And that sick fuck ashhahahahaha probably shoves tampons up his ass while he jerks off and thinks about his mom.

[Rorschach]

Originally posted by cherrylula
And that sick fuck ashhahahahaha probably shoves tampons up his ass while he jerks off and thinks about his mom.

Doesn't everyone?

[kiwi]

If you think this is bad wait for Ashhahahahaha to get rolling in Bush's second term !!!!

[BVF]

mexico doesn't really count.....how in the fuck can I be in DEEP southern mexico and I see Sears and Sams club and shit like that? I wasn't in a spot like tijuana, I was in southeastern mexico damn near guatemala....

Mexico is VERY americanized...

[12clicks]

back in 96 we all knew that rape was something you didn't fool with.

but anyway the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling the sky is falling

[com]

Great and I just picked up new property for photo shoots... now Im really waiting for that knock on the door...

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by lyno
Meese Commission.. anyone knows where to find the original report? (not the offical one

I don't know where to find the original report, but the history is interesting. The Meese Commission was stacked with religious conservatives (much like todays Department of Justice) and anti-porn feminists for the express purpose of contradicting the conclusions of the 1970 Presidential Commission on Pornography. The first commission concluded that porn does not contribute to sexual violence or criminal/deliquent behavior in any way. Obviously those conclusions just wouldn't do.

Despite the obviousness of the fix being in from the beginning, look at how many people were fooled and its effects on policy. Its was probably one of the most brazen but effective pieces of propaganda ever.

This is a good article on it:

http://eserver.org/cultronix/califia/meese/

[Gemini]

Expect alot more of this and other things as the elections get closer. Typical Republican shell game when they know they aren't doing well, scramble to half please the minority voters and special interest etc groups.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Gemini
Expect alot more of this and other things as the elections get closer. Typical Republican shell game when they know they aren't doing well, scramble to half please the minority voters and special interest etc groups.

Just heard over the radio that according to Pew's latest poll, Bush's approval ratings are now at pre-9/11 levels. 53%

[rooster]

I think on the internet at least pornographers have got really careless.

Back in like 98?, I forget, when some legislation looked like it was going to go down, everyone cleaned up their tours taking down all the hardcore, using censor spots, etc.

Then the last couple years it seems like people are putting a huge bullseye on their head. Tours with penetration, fluids, gagging on cocks to the point of vomitting.

Look at how a big company like Hustler does their tour. Clean as a whistle.


Maybe Im just an idealist, but in a perfect world free sites would have no content, just teaser shit. Paysites would mostly just tease on the tour. Signup ratios would be much better, and there wouldnt be much porn out there that wasnt behind a password protected section.

[playa]

Read from an article

On the "Frontline" segment, he defended his wares, which includes a video called "Forced Entry" which consists of episodes in which a woman is raped, beaten, spat on, degraded in every way and finally murdered.

Did he really expect to stay in business?

[Sassyass]

Originally posted by Driven
To do a rape and murder porn movie in America and after you've been raided to have the "Federal five" (still selling the movies they are about screw you over for). And putting a special discount price on the movies and continuing business as usual.

This guy can't be to bright. But at least he is rich so he can put up a decent defence. He's asking to goto jail with those sort of movies though.

That said, I don't want them to convict him cause whos next?
Anything mildly extreme becomes illegal cause the Republications dont' like it?

Don't just blame the republicans.
Some of the loudest anti-porn noise comes from the feminist movements.

[lyno]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


I don't know where to find the original report, but the history is interesting. The Meese Commission was stacked with religious conservatives (much like todays Department of Justice) and anti-porn feminists for the express purpose of contradicting the conclusions of the 1970 Presidential Commission on Pornography. The first commission concluded that porn does not contribute to sexual violence or criminal/deliquent behavior in any way. Obviously those conclusions just wouldn't do.

Despite the obviousness of the fix being in from the beginning, look at how many people were fooled and its effects on policy. Its was probably one of the most brazen but effective pieces of propaganda ever.

This is a good article on it:

http://eserver.org/cultronix/califia/meese/

Thanks... some interesting statements:

children between the ages of 18 and 21

An that from representatives of a government that thinks it´s ok to send 16yo into war.

Almost funny, pro fredom of speech or pro porno work usually has a scientifically sturcture (references) while most anti porn pages reminds on typical hate / nazi site. (at least here in germany. you just have to substitute a few keywords to change a pornhater page into a nazi page)

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Sassyass


Don't just blame the republicans.
Some of the loudest anti-porn noise comes from the feminist movements.

Feminists have become little more than a bunch of irrelevant, shrill harpies that no one anyone pays much attention to anymore. Its not feminists occupying almost all of the most powerful positions of the Republican party, its right wing religious kooks.

edit: And when I say "feminists" I don't mean the equal pay for equal work or protect our reproductive rights types. I mean the radical theoreticians like Dworkin. Many more moderate feminists are "pro-sex" and in favor of legalizing things like prostitution.

[foe]

its been fun ...

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Feminists have become little more than a bunch of irrelevant, shrill harpies that no one anyone pays much attention to anymore. Its not feminists occupying almost all of the most powerful positions of the Republican party, its right wing religious kooks.

edit: And when I say "feminists" I don't mean the equal pay for equal work or protect our reproductive rights types. I mean the radical theoreticians like Dworkin. Many more moderate feminists are "pro-sex" and in favor of legalizing things like prostitution.

religious freaks are way more dangerous to our biz than "feminists"

[emmanuelle]

Rob Black & Lizzie Borden have been producing some pretty sick shit for a long time.

I wouldnt think that this signals an attack upon our industry. More like it's cleaning out some of the vermin who give us all a bad name.

[ThePornGuy]

Originally posted by Marcus
what exactly are they indicting people with online?
whats the criteria? no warning page? no 2257 statement? do they say?

This is the way I understand it. There are no federal obsenity laws. So they went to some podunk town in Pennsylvania where there are obsenity laws. Then they ordered videos to the town and accessed the website from the town. since the company shipped to the town and and allowed access from the town they are going to prosecute the company according to the town obsenity laws. So there was no warning page or 2257 problem. In order to avoid this you would have to get a list of zip codes with obsenity laws and not ship there and not allow access to your website from those locations.

[ThePornGuy]

Correction, apparently it is the whole state of pennsylvania that has the laws.

[John3]

Originally posted by ThePornGuy


This is the way I understand it. There are no federal obsenity laws. So they went to some podunk town in Pennsylvania where there are obsenity laws. Then they ordered videos to the town and accessed the website from the town. since the company shipped to the town and and allowed access from the town they are going to prosecute the company according to the town obsenity laws. So there was no warning page or 2257 problem. In order to avoid this you would have to get a list of zip codes with obsenity laws and not ship there and not allow access to your website from those locations.

obscenity laws are by state

[archer]

Originally posted by Turboface


I'd rather live in the United States than anywhere else in the world.

MOVE TO CANADA...


hehe you'll hardly notice the difference!

'cept there is no john a s h c r o f t

[Probono]

Originally posted by John3

obscenity laws are by state

Wrong

The definition of Obscene in the USofA is "community Standards" thus it is jury by jury. A painful way to learn

[John3]

Originally posted by Probono



Wrong

The definition of Obscene in the USofA is "community Standards" thus it is jury by jury. A painful way to learn

Having been prosecuted for obscenity on the internet, I'm 100% certain that I was charged with violating STATE laws.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by archer



MOVE TO CANADA...


hehe you'll hardly notice the difference!

'cept there is no john a s h c r o f t

not true, canadian food sucks and they run around saying "eh" all the time.
even the people from china town in montreal say "eh"

[Fletch XXX]

Extreme Associates puts out rape and murder videos.

Thats not even porn.

Too bad they bring heat on everyone.

But hey, if you play in the 'extreme' side you are bound to catch heat. The SFV is filled with porn, this is the POPRN CAPITOL, its not going anywhere, the net is a different story.

These people were selliong rape videos through the US Postal service, far different then selling PORN online.

They Sell RAPE AND MURDER, its not even porn ;)