Customer lists seized in Rob Black raid - GoFuckYourself.com

MrPopup · 08-10-2003, 09:19 AM

Is there the possibility of a class action-suit by members and promoters of Extremely hardcore sites like Extreme/Sweet/Max Hardcore for allowing members and affiliates to be put in this precarious legal position?

Could an argument be made that TERMS OF SERVICE when joining the site/program were too ambiguous and did not mention the possibilty of threat of federal prosecution?

"sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ."

YOUR NAME/COMPANY MIGHT BE ON THOSE LISTS.

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This has probably already been posted.
http://www.extremeassociates.com/federal5.html

Alright everybody,

I have not spoken in quite some time. Because, quite frankly, there has not been much to say. But, now I will clear the air and tell you exactly what happened so all the bullshit sites can get the facts straight for the first time.

At approximately 9:10 AM Pacific Time Tuesday morning, roughly 47 uniformed federal marshals and postal inspectors from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with assistance from the LAPD, served a search and seizure warrant for 4 Extreme Associates and 1 Armageddon Entertainment movie. The movies were:

1. Extreme Teen #24
2. Cocktails #2 - Director's Cut
3. Ass Clowns #3 - Director's Cut
4. 1001 Ways to Eat My Jizz
and last but certainly not least PBS' favorite:
5. Forced Entry

Along with seizing copies of these movies, they seized "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and
deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ."

There were no arrest warrants. Nobody was arrested. And, Extreme Associates doors are now and will remain open for business selling the fine quality Extreme product that you have grown to love. This will INCLUDE all of the videos which are part of this obscenity investigation as we stand by our product and feel that nothing we have ever produced is obscene. The only thing we may be guilty of is bad taste.

As this is a preliminary investigation, there was nothing more and nothing less. So everyone can cool their jets. And for the record, the complaint
which led to this investigation came out of Pittsburgh, PA and not out of Kentucky and not because of anything any former actress may have said or not said. This had to do with mailing a customer - a private individual - videos which they requested, paid for, and accepted! Now this is where we stand aswe know it and I will expand on more as our attorneys fill me in on the case of;

THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES (that's what the warrant says)!

Now with this official statement out of the way, I can now open up my big fat mouth and give you some of my feelings on the situation. . .

I definitely will not sit here and cry a bunch of tears. Remember when the PBS Frontline special came out (which a number of the inspectors made
reference to when conducting interviews), it was I who challenged law enforcement to come after us for obscenity. So, while some may call this
Karma, I want to remind everyone that I invited this. But, I must say that I feel honored and privileged because I always thought it would be some local law enforcement sanctioned by Deborah Sanchez and the LA Vice Squad (the same people who went after Max and Seymour), but fuck, we had the fucking FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, more than 40 agents, grace us with their presence. Add the money they spent to fly agents from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, put them up in Los Angeles for a minimum of 10 days (the extent of the warrant), and pay them their significant salaries, plus the unknown future costs (which we have to assume will be at a bill of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS - and,
as this is a FEDERAL CASE that means it's your money no matter which state you're from).

Mind you, this business has not seen a MAJOR FEDERAL OBSCENITY INVESTIGATION in over 10 years. I guess we now have lived up to our reputation.

I find it completely ridiculous and disheartening that on the same day that these federal agents delivered "shock and awe" to us, halfway across the
world, the very same government is currently bombing Iraq in the name of "OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM!" The government drums up support for the war by telling us that they are attempting to liberate the Iraqi people and give them the most precious freedoms we enjoy. Meanwhile, on the homefront, the quietly attempt to limit this AMERICAN freedom. The key word is quietly. But as anyone who knows me, and the government should know me well enough by now, should know that QUIETLY JUST AIN'T IN OUR FUCKING VOCABULARY!

Starting today, we will be giving you periodic updates in the case of THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES. The very same media that thrust us into the spotlight will now have their much anticipated main event. So make sure you stay tuned because we are just getting started. To the few in the industry who have supported us, and you know who you are, I thank you and appreciate it, even when my actions at times were completely retarded.

And for those of you who hate us (and I know that would take us all 10 days of the warrant to list), I will simply accept your thank yous quietly, with
maybe a passing wink or smile, when it is us who fights this case and wins standing up for the entire business and allowing you to continue your
business unhampered by the government. It will be us that will be listed in the books as the ones who beat the United States government. Hey, maybe in about 10 years I can get the Hal Freeman "Freedom Isn't Free" or Reuben Sturman award or even that Good Guy thing. Ahh fuck, I don't want anything except for maybe a little peace and quiet (and a Milos Forman directed movie about my life).

Sincerely,
Robert Zicari (a.k.a. Rob Black)

directfiesta · 08-10-2003, 09:20 AM

Have to go... Somebody's at my door....

Fletch XXX · 08-10-2003, 09:24 AM

NO matter my stance on the Fantasy thing.

I stand with Extreme.

This is fantasy and freedom of speech, should be fought for.

directfiesta · 08-10-2003, 09:27 AM

FYI, I met with Hal Freeman after his jail sentence serving, a few months before his death. He was owner of Hollywood Video, and that court case ruined him financillay, emotiannaly and physically... And what did it give the US gov: nothing....

MrPopup · 08-10-2003, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
And what did it give the US gov: nothing....

You sure about that? Reread your post.

directfiesta · 08-10-2003, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup

You sure about that? Reread your post.

You have a point there. I should of differenciated between the:

- US gov

and the

- US people as individual

PS: Those years were tough in the porn : Interstate shipment, sollicitation for prostitution ( paying actresses), RICO , etc....

Russ ended in jail too ( VCA CEO!).

ibs · 08-10-2003, 09:44 AM

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DarkJedi · 08-10-2003, 09:59 AM

OWNED.

GrimShawn · 08-10-2003, 10:07 AM

Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.

directfiesta · 08-10-2003, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrimShawn
Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.

Please read previous threads: it was as clear as Black on white:

" ... over the internet"...

Greg B · 08-10-2003, 10:13 AM

Wow! With that many cops showing up I'll bet the criminals in the area had a field day.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Sounds like somebody goofed up somewhere and left a wide door for somebody to shove an umbrella in and open it wide.

Let's wait for the details and see what happens. Could make a good movie one day.

MrPopup · 08-10-2003, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrimShawn
Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.

The indictment reads:

"The defendants are also charged with transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website www.extremeassociates.com "

I don't suppose those involved with similar content are interested in talking about it very much.

diabloownr · 08-10-2003, 11:24 AM

Taken from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._wtae/1731626:
"While the movies themselves are not illegal, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said it is against the law to send them through the U.S. mail or, in the case of the Web site, display them via an Internet connection that crosses state lines."

So remember, when a customer is watching you vid feed, make sure they live in the same state as you!
WTF??

TheFLY · 08-10-2003, 12:07 PM

Too much freaky porn

daddynastee · 08-10-2003, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup

The indictment reads:

"... transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website ..."

Someone notify Acacia!

TheGoldenChild · 08-10-2003, 03:23 PM

like he said
he called the attention to himself for the PBS special-
the right wingers don't like public dollars being spent to produce that kind of special for the station-

IMHO- that was the worst place to showcase his wares on Public Television-

It all comes down to this

" The only time a whale gets harpooned is when it comes up for air"

think about it.....

mrthumbs · 08-10-2003, 03:23 PM

can somenbody fill me in?

Was there anything unusual explicit on those vids?

jeroman · 08-10-2003, 03:28 PM

Hm, what do you mean with Obscene ??

or is it just like a post above that he sold/sent videos to a state
that has shitty laws regarding porn ?

"Obscene but not illegal"

Gutterboy · 08-10-2003, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
can somenbody fill me in?

Was there anything unusual explicit on those vids?

Realistically simulated beating & rape.

I'm with Fletch tho.. as long as its fantasy.. however distasteful that fantasy may be.. it should be protected speech.

[Labret] · 08-10-2003, 03:31 PM

Just hope and pray that they beat this.

Gutterboy · 08-10-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Just hope and pray that they beat this.

As much as I'd like to believe they'll beat the rap, I doubt it. They might have gotten away with it in the San Fernando Valley, but I can't believe there is any way in fuck that some hick pennsylvania jury is going to find the tape with the break in, beating and rape scenes to be a-ok by their community standards.

They could argue that lots of movies have those sorts of scenes, but within that context there is artistic merit. The part of the test about appealing soley to the prurient interest is going to be a hard hurdle to get over.

Just my armchair lawyering...

jeroman · 08-10-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy

I'm with Fletch tho.. as long as its fantasy.. however distasteful that fantasy may be.. it should be protected speech.

Same for childporn you think ?

GrimShawn · 08-10-2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup

The indictment reads:

"The defendants are also charged with transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website www.extremeassociates.com "

I don't suppose those involved with similar content are interested in talking about it very much.

My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.

Gutterboy · 08-10-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Same for childporn you think ?

If its fantasy child porn, ie. cartoons or legal age girls who appear underage, then yes.

stocktrader23 · 08-10-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Same for childporn you think ?

As much as anybody in this industry loathes child porn you can't start seperating simulated anything when dealing with the law. If we allow the government to say any 1 form of free speech is unacceptable they will use that to their advantage.

Free speech is free speech regardless of the subject matter.

Digipimp · 08-10-2003, 04:51 PM

Legal or not it's dumbasses like this guy that get everyone all fucked up.

OneHungLo · 08-10-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrimShawn

My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.

No but especially your content and most content that has any penetration will be found obscene in some little hick town in PA.

The Internet crosses state lines therefore making any crime a federal crime. They could easily have some postal inspector join your site from small right wing bible thumping town in Alabama, gather all the evidence they need and display it before a grand jury and indict you on it.

MrPopup · 08-10-2003, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GrimShawn

My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.

The Vancouver police and RCMP don't seem to think so.

08-10-2003, 09:19 AM	#1
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Customer lists seized in Rob Black raid Is there the possibility of a class action-suit by members and promoters of Extremely hardcore sites like Extreme/Sweet/Max Hardcore for allowing members and affiliates to be put in this precarious legal position? Could an argument be made that TERMS OF SERVICE when joining the site/program were too ambiguous and did not mention the possibilty of threat of federal prosecution? "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ." YOUR NAME/COMPANY MIGHT BE ON THOSE LISTS. **************************************** This has probably already been posted. http://www.extremeassociates.com/federal5.html Alright everybody, I have not spoken in quite some time. Because, quite frankly, there has not been much to say. But, now I will clear the air and tell you exactly what happened so all the bullshit sites can get the facts straight for the first time. At approximately 9:10 AM Pacific Time Tuesday morning, roughly 47 uniformed federal marshals and postal inspectors from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with assistance from the LAPD, served a search and seizure warrant for 4 Extreme Associates and 1 Armageddon Entertainment movie. The movies were: 1. Extreme Teen #24 2. Cocktails #2 - Director's Cut 3. Ass Clowns #3 - Director's Cut 4. 1001 Ways to Eat My Jizz and last but certainly not least PBS' favorite: 5. Forced Entry Along with seizing copies of these movies, they seized "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ." There were no arrest warrants. Nobody was arrested. And, Extreme Associates doors are now and will remain open for business selling the fine quality Extreme product that you have grown to love. This will INCLUDE all of the videos which are part of this obscenity investigation as we stand by our product and feel that nothing we have ever produced is obscene. The only thing we may be guilty of is bad taste. As this is a preliminary investigation, there was nothing more and nothing less. So everyone can cool their jets. And for the record, the complaint which led to this investigation came out of Pittsburgh, PA and not out of Kentucky and not because of anything any former actress may have said or not said. This had to do with mailing a customer - a private individual - videos which they requested, paid for, and accepted! Now this is where we stand aswe know it and I will expand on more as our attorneys fill me in on the case of; THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES (that's what the warrant says)! Now with this official statement out of the way, I can now open up my big fat mouth and give you some of my feelings on the situation. . . I definitely will not sit here and cry a bunch of tears. Remember when the PBS Frontline special came out (which a number of the inspectors made reference to when conducting interviews), it was I who challenged law enforcement to come after us for obscenity. So, while some may call this Karma, I want to remind everyone that I invited this. But, I must say that I feel honored and privileged because I always thought it would be some local law enforcement sanctioned by Deborah Sanchez and the LA Vice Squad (the same people who went after Max and Seymour), but fuck, we had the fucking FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, more than 40 agents, grace us with their presence. Add the money they spent to fly agents from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, put them up in Los Angeles for a minimum of 10 days (the extent of the warrant), and pay them their significant salaries, plus the unknown future costs (which we have to assume will be at a bill of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS - and, as this is a FEDERAL CASE that means it's your money no matter which state you're from). Mind you, this business has not seen a MAJOR FEDERAL OBSCENITY INVESTIGATION in over 10 years. I guess we now have lived up to our reputation. I find it completely ridiculous and disheartening that on the same day that these federal agents delivered "shock and awe" to us, halfway across the world, the very same government is currently bombing Iraq in the name of "OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM!" The government drums up support for the war by telling us that they are attempting to liberate the Iraqi people and give them the most precious freedoms we enjoy. Meanwhile, on the homefront, the quietly attempt to limit this AMERICAN freedom. The key word is quietly. But as anyone who knows me, and the government should know me well enough by now, should know that QUIETLY JUST AIN'T IN OUR FUCKING VOCABULARY! Starting today, we will be giving you periodic updates in the case of THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES. The very same media that thrust us into the spotlight will now have their much anticipated main event. So make sure you stay tuned because we are just getting started. To the few in the industry who have supported us, and you know who you are, I thank you and appreciate it, even when my actions at times were completely retarded. And for those of you who hate us (and I know that would take us all 10 days of the warrant to list), I will simply accept your thank yous quietly, with maybe a passing wink or smile, when it is us who fights this case and wins standing up for the entire business and allowing you to continue your business unhampered by the government. It will be us that will be listed in the books as the ones who beat the United States government. Hey, maybe in about 10 years I can get the Hal Freeman "Freedom Isn't Free" or Reuben Sturman award or even that Good Guy thing. Ahh fuck, I don't want anything except for maybe a little peace and quiet (and a Milos Forman directed movie about my life). Sincerely, Robert Zicari (a.k.a. Rob Black) __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

08-10-2003, 09:27 AM	#4
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,680	FYI, I met with Hal Freeman after his jail sentence serving, a few months before his death. He was owner of Hollywood Video, and that court case ruined him financillay, emotiannaly and physically... And what did it give the US gov: nothing.... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-10-2003, 09:44 AM	#7
ibs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: yahoo id internetbroadcasting Posts: 277	All I can say is see SIG ll V ll V ll V __________________ ibs

08-10-2003, 03:23 PM	#16
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	like he said he called the attention to himself for the PBS special- the right wingers don't like public dollars being spent to produce that kind of special for the station- IMHO- that was the worst place to showcase his wares on Public Television- It all comes down to this " The only time a whale gets harpooned is when it comes up for air" think about it..... __________________

08-10-2003, 04:51 PM	#26
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Legal or not it's dumbasses like this guy that get everyone all fucked up. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

08-10-2003, 09:20 AM	#2
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,680	Have to go... Somebody's at my door.... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-10-2003, 09:24 AM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	NO matter my stance on the Fantasy thing. I stand with Extreme. This is fantasy and freedom of speech, should be fought for. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-10-2003, 09:59 AM	#8
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	OWNED.

08-10-2003, 10:07 AM	#9
GrimShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BONEPRONE MANSION serving drinks! Posts: 8,120	Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.

08-10-2003, 10:13 AM	#11
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Wow! With that many cops showing up I'll bet the criminals in the area had a field day. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Sounds like somebody goofed up somewhere and left a wide door for somebody to shove an umbrella in and open it wide. Let's wait for the details and see what happens. Could make a good movie one day.

08-10-2003, 11:24 AM	#13
diabloownr Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1	Taken from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._wtae/1731626: "While the movies themselves are not illegal, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said it is against the law to send them through the U.S. mail or, in the case of the Web site, display them via an Internet connection that crosses state lines." So remember, when a customer is watching you vid feed, make sure they live in the same state as you! WTF??

08-10-2003, 12:07 PM	#14
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Too much freaky porn

08-10-2003, 03:23 PM	#17
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	can somenbody fill me in? Was there anything unusual explicit on those vids?

08-10-2003, 03:28 PM	#18
jeroman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Norway or UK or...damn, where am I Posts: 356	Hm, what do you mean with Obscene ?? or is it just like a post above that he sold/sent videos to a state that has shitty laws regarding porn ? "Obscene but not illegal"

08-10-2003, 03:31 PM	#20
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Just hope and pray that they beat this.