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rockbear 08-06-2003 07:35 AM

Battuss It's sad but a lot of sponsor shave. A lot of person here will tell you that your sponsor dosen't shave but when you do over 30 sales a day for few sponsors it's easy to see the game. When you do only one or two signup a day it's hard to say that. Anyway I understand you. :thumbsup

Sausage 08-06-2003 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss


Arent you afraid you will get flamed hard for telling this? Youre basically helping cheaters cheating.

Helping cheaters cheat ??? how do you work that out ?

Dirty F 08-06-2003 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Sausage


Helping cheaters cheat ??? how do you work that out ?

Wouldnt you call shaving cheating?

Sausage 08-06-2003 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
Sausage,

My first post, sales suddenly showing up and then dissapearing again....would you call this an error in the shaving software? Or do you have any other ideas what that might be?

I have no idea. The 'shaving' plugin was built into the signup script and sent shaved signups to a different account through the same processor .... if there was a glitch then in theory you shouldn't have had any signups. I don't know what your sponsor was using, so I really cant comment. anyhow ... just accept shaving.... you really don't lose anything much. $35 per signup is bullshit.

X37375787 08-06-2003 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Sausage


$35 per signup is bullshit.


:thumbsup

Sausage 08-06-2003 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss


Wouldnt you call shaving cheating?

Not really. I honestly don't know of any partnership sponsors that shave (apart from capping the payout on month length), but if you really thing that $35-$40 per signup is what you earnt for a sale then ..... you deserver to be shaved.

bellskids 08-06-2003 08:01 AM

Ive heard that some 3rd party billers allow the paysites admin to disable rebills from being credited to affiliates. Any truth to that?

bellskids 08-06-2003 08:05 AM

Also we all know it goes on all over the place but that doesnt mean shaving should be tolerated. Isnt it illegal?

Dirty F 08-06-2003 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by bellskids
Also we all know it goes on all over the place but that doesnt mean shaving should be tolerated. Isnt it illegal?
Yes, good question.

PotentMind 08-06-2003 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss


Im not gonna mention any names here cuz its im not accusing any one of shaving. I dont have proof and im not looking for proof.

Its true what people say. At the end the amount of money youre making is the most important thing.

I rather have a shaving sponsor that makes me 70$ per 1000 clicks than a non shaving one that makes 35.


Why go on about it then?

NetRodent 08-06-2003 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by bellskids
Ive heard that some 3rd party billers allow the paysites admin to disable rebills from being credited to affiliates. Any truth to that?
Its true. However the ones I'm aware of allow you to either credit all of the rebills or none of the rebills, you can't pick and chose which to credit so its not really a shaver.

clubsexy 08-06-2003 09:52 AM

If the programs didn't shave sales and hits, the payout rates would be so much lower, but most likely more.

I like to think that none of my sponsors are shaving either hits nor sales, but I would have to be lame to think otherwise right?

Dirty F 08-06-2003 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by PotentMind



Why go on about it then?

Man, it was my 2nd post.

If you try to bash me find something better.

rastakit 08-06-2003 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Sausage


I have no idea. The 'shaving' plugin was built into the signup script and sent shaved signups to a different account through the same processor .... if there was a glitch then in theory you shouldn't have had any signups. I don't know what your sponsor was using, so I really cant comment. anyhow ... just accept shaving.... you really don't lose anything much. $35 per signup is bullshit.

Sausage--I'd love to chat more with you offline about our service, but I have to disagree with you that shaving is a fact of life we have to live with....

Public companies can (and frequently do) cook their books, but that doesn't mean all companies do and that us investors need to put up with that crap....

We audit in many steps, and we've collectively worked for some of the largest sponsor programs and payment processors in the biz, so we're pretty savvy on the means to cheat. That said, as I mentioned above, we don't run paysites, and aren't interested in making money off the traffic, we're just trying to help the webmaster and in the process, establish our company as the auditor of choice....

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rastakit 08-06-2003 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Sausage
Look guys shaving is a fact .... get used to it. even if they don't shave your sales, they take the cheque signups, or even take the exit console signups, or something.

I worked on a shave script for one of the top 10, and it is a work of art. It can smooth out bumps, take the lucky streaks and even manages to see when the traffic you send drops and can credit a shaved sale back to you to keep you sending. ever noticed when a sale just seems to pop up when you are sending next to no traffic ?? Anyhow, no auditing will fix the problem either ... too many ways to hide it.

Look, shaving will always happen and nothing will change it. The plugin script that we worked on was only set at around 15% resolved with a 5% buffer, so Its not too bad. I've seen one program which converted like a fucking dream and had average 4 months retention, and they shaved 50% and STILL had webmasters lining up. :)


Filter 08-06-2003 10:47 AM

I made Battus reply 3 times in a row to my post :glugglug
Oh and by useless I mean your innovative approach of coming on here and bashing.... who? Well someone for sure for shaving, but clearly without proof and saying you do not intend to reveal the name of this ALLEGED shaver.... so in other words.... a useless thread :thumbsup

Dirty F 08-06-2003 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Filter
I made Battus reply 3 times in a row to my post :glugglug
Oh and by useless I mean your innovative approach of coming on here and bashing.... who? Well someone for sure for shaving, but clearly without proof and saying you do not intend to reveal the name of this ALLEGED shaver.... so in other words.... a useless thread :thumbsup

Please dont make me reply 3 times again

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