need your help if you can (anxiety problems)

[mach]

just been diagnoised by a psychiatrist to have generalised anxiety disorder and panic attacks. Also been having problems with my heart and they think its related to the panic attacks.

so i have been having a hard time with things. Been hard keeping my mind on working when im having those damn attacks.

Im having troubles keeping the rent up too in this bad period. I'm 19 and live by myself so i dont have someone to split the rent with.

the doctor said CIPRAMIL may be helpful for the GAD he also mentioned XANAX (if anyone has used them please let me know how they did) also talked about Behavioral Cognative Therapy

I would appreciate if anyone could give anything to help me out i dont care if its 5 dollars to help with my rent or just some advice on the matter if you have had this problem in the past.

my icq is 261416544 if you can talk

thanks

[beergood]

I hear pot helps out with anxiety

[Furious_Male]

Are you sure your heart isnt the cause of the panic. Certain disorders like Mitral Valve Prolapse can mimick panic disorder. Any doctor worth his degree would check on that first.

Fuck xannax it will just make things worst. The rebound effect is a bitch. The xannax is short lasting and when you bounce back up your panic will be as bad if not worst then when it started. It snowballs from there. Xannax is like a roller coaster ride when it comes to easing the symptoms of the disorder.

Klonopin has the same calming effects as xannax without the rebound. Ask your doc about it.

I lived with the shit for 20 years. It was hell until I found a doctor that had a clue.

[integrated]

Originally posted by mach
just been diagnoised by a psychiatrist to have generalised anxiety disorder and panic attacks. Also been having problems with my heart and they think its related to the panic attacks.

so i have been having a hard time with things. Been hard keeping my mind on working when im having those damn attacks.

Im having troubles keeping the rent up too in this bad period. I'm 19 and live by myself so i dont have someone to split the rent with.

the doctor said CIPRAMIL may be helpful for the GAD he also mentioned XANAX (if anyone has used them please let me know how they did) also talked about Behavioral Cognative Therapy

I would appreciate if anyone could give anything to help me out i dont care if its 5 dollars to help with my rent or just some advice on the matter if you have had this problem in the past.

my icq is 261416544 if you can talk

thanks

I know a few ppl who have panic episodes, ill ask them exactly what they take and email you about it.

hope you get it under control and get back to things

whats your paypal address i have some spare money in there not alot but hopefully it can help out a little. Also if you need some extra hosting for free let me know mate.

[Juicy D. Links]

<<<<<<<<<, I have anxiety attacks


I take effexor and have Xanax for special occasions

[Hairetsu]

stfu you idiots, Xanax, is the worst rug there is. The after affects etc. you will have more and more panic attacks. if you keep that up. Goto a doc, tell him about it and get a priscription for Klonopin, it lasts longer than Xanax and the're isn't any bad mood after it wears off. also talk to him about wafers. My brother is a fucking whack son of a bitch split my head open from anxiety and shit he's 19. He's on Klonopin and I smoke him out daily he is a happy camper

[mach]

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Are you sure your heart isnt the cause of the panic. Certain disorders like Mitral Valve Prolapse can mimick panic disorder. Any doctor worth his degree would check on that first.

Fuck xannax it will just make things worst. The rebound effect is a bitch. The xannax is short lasting and when you bounce back up your panic will be as bad if not worst then when it started. It snowballs from there. Xannax is like a roller coaster ride when it comes to easing the symptoms of the disorder.

Klonopin has the same calming effects as xannax without the rebound. Ask your doc about it.

I lived with the shit for 20 years. It was hell until I found a doctor that had a clue.

I have seen a cardiologist done the stress test, Echocardiogram, and the test where they monitor the heart for a 24hr period.

he said everything was fine apart form the fast heart beat and put me on tenormin to slow it down.

thanks for the info on the drugs and i will mention Klonopin for sure

[kelly]

I take Cipramil and find they help with GAD/panic attacks pretty well, they take 3-6 weeks to kick in fully, this is my third or fourth month on them and I haven't had a panic attack since xmas (I used to have several a day) or the feeling of my heart racing and feeling 'fluttery'.

Best of luck to you.

[BradM]

mach: icqing you.
I have a lot of experience with this.

[mach]

Originally posted by integrated


I know a few ppl who have panic episodes, ill ask them exactly what they take and email you about it.

hope you get it under control and get back to things

whats your paypal address i have some spare money in there not alot but hopefully it can help out a little. Also if you need some extra hosting for free let me know mate.

hey how have you been?

that would be great if you could get back to me about what they take.

my paypal address for the moment is [email protected]
anything you could give would help so much

[integrated]

Originally posted by mach


hey how have you been?

that would be great if you could get back to me about what they take.

my paypal address for the moment is [email protected]
anything you could give would help so much

money sent

i have known mach for awhile now as my gallery submitter and i have meet up with him a few times he is a good bloke.

hope the money helps

p.s
ill get that other email off to you when they reply to me (probably this evening)

[Furious_Male]

Originally posted by mach


I have seen a cardiologist done the stress test, Echocardiogram, and the test where they monitor the heart for a 24hr period.

he said everything was fine apart form the fast heart beat and put me on tenormin to slow it down.

thanks for the info on the drugs and i will mention Klonopin for sure

The heart racing is a result of the panic then. Very common symptom for the disorder. Your young so it might be bumpy for a bit but if you get cleared for klonopin I am willing to bet you will do well. Ive had it for so long I have taught myself when I am having an attack to just wait it out because it cant last forever. Your body can only stay at that level for so long (30-60 minutes tops) Once you recognize its an attack you can deal with it a bit better (proper breathing etc.). For the first several years I always thought I was having a heart attack or some shit.

Keep in mind exercise and proper nutrition is very important as well. Just be sure to ask your doc what you can do being your heart is working harder.

Lastly on my mind now would be to recommend you find out what your trigger is for the actual panic attacks. The GAD is usualy just the result of the panic attacks (your anxious because you don't know when your going to have another attack). The actual panic attack has a trigger(S).

[Loki]

ok honestly, do you smoke weed? I delt with Pa, and other things for about 10 + Years, then i started smoking now and then and it helped a hella lot, Now just be warned, at least in my case certain meds mixed with pot caused horrible results, when i was on xanax i had seizures, when they put me on prozac i could not stop vomiting, now i do not know if this was all caused by the drugs or the pot but i quit the meds and those probs stopped.

Now i'm not saying smoke pot all the time, but i find a hit here and there kep me calm, centered and pretty much panic free (if that can be possible)

Other forms of self-help would be to maybe either get someone to handle your day to day work for a while, or switch jobs all together, this industry can be hell on the mind body and soul.

Find a nice quiet place to just sit and relax, sof music and dim lights can help calm yourself when those times come.

I would just honestly look tword self medications rather then taking pills prescribed by a doctor.

too many times pills just add more problems rather then solving them.

I wish you the best of luck.

-Loki-

[BradM]

I had one not too long ago, and it was just a system overload.
I was on Effexor for 2 years and recently went off (I was stable enough to do so)

But I was extremly overstressed one day and just started paniking and had an attack in my office.

I usually just talk myself through them once I can breathe and move again.

[mach]

Originally posted by kelly
I take Cipramil and find they help with GAD/panic attacks pretty well, they take 3-6 weeks to kick in fully, this is my third or fourth month on them and I haven't had a panic attack since xmas (I used to have several a day) or the feeling of my heart racing and feeling 'fluttery'.

Best of luck to you.

thanks for the info kelly

My doctor seems to think that Cipramil may be my best option at this time.

i have had Crohn's Disease since i was 16 years old and he says that cipramil would be the best for a bad gut.

[ReAlisTiC]

Originally posted by mach

my paypal address for the moment is [email protected]
anything you could give would help so much

hey bro
hope u get on top of this

i sent you 100us to your paypal addy

as for info on medication all i know is a drug called Ducene its valium i think

people take it if they panic on planes etc

[BV]

Now that you know your not having a heart attack and your not going to die be happy. When you feel the anxiety just tell yourself that this is just a trick your mind is playing on you. Soon your mind will stop playing tricks.

[Ic3m4nZ]

Hit the gym you panic ass whore

[mach]

Originally posted by integrated


money sent

i have known mach for awhile now as my gallery submitter and i have meet up with him a few times he is a good bloke.

hope the money helps

p.s
ill get that other email off to you when they reply to me (probably this evening)

thanks alot appreciate the help

[integrated]

Originally posted by mach


thanks alot appreciate the help

anytime ;)

[Mikey_219Inc]

Originally posted by juicylinks
<<<<<<<<<, I have anxiety attacks

I take effexor and have Xanax for special occasions

same here. Get a full physical make sure its psychosomatic - then start testing out which ssri/snri works for you - xanax is a temporary chill out, not good for long term believe me. You need an ssri or snri to regulate the chemical imbalance and like juicy says, xanax is for when your just plain freaking out - but 99% of the time your regular med should work. just having the xanax and knowing there is something there to kill the attack should help, but be careful with that shit.

Ive just switched to effexor from paxil, paxil worked a long time but my body must have gotten used to it or something, ive been gobbling xanax for years now and believe me, it sucks. so my doctor switched me to effexor.

juicy, im starting on 37.5mg effexor (2 weeks ago) while weaning of paxil - i got rashes at first, and a little disorientation here and there now. i hear this is normal and subsides after a while.... any of this happen with you? anyone?

Mikey

[PeerPatrick]

I self medicate but then after the last few years, not much really affects me. This is a funny place. Watch more cartoons, read more, detach. OTC drugs will fuck you in the end...so will the other ones. I like Vonnegut, Sartre and Dostoyevsky; funny guys.

[mach]

Originally posted by Furious_Male


The heart racing is a result of the panic then. Very common symptom for the disorder. Your young so it might be bumpy for a bit but if you get cleared for klonopin I am willing to bet you will do well. Ive had it for so long I have taught myself when I am having an attack to just wait it out because it cant last forever. Your body can only stay at that level for so long (30-60 minutes tops) Once you recognize its an attack you can deal with it a bit better (proper breathing etc.). For the first several years I always thought I was having a heart attack or some shit.

Keep in mind exercise and proper nutrition is very important as well. Just be sure to ask your doc what you can do being your heart is working harder.

Lastly on my mind now would be to recommend you find out what your trigger is for the actual panic attacks. The GAD is usualy just the result of the panic attacks (your anxious because you don't know when your going to have another attack). The actual panic attack has a trigger(S).

yeah i always thought i had something wrong with my heart.
which i guess lead to feeling worse more worrying

Yeah the doctor mentioned diet /nutrition is an important factor and ill be working on that to help ease things.

thanks for the info especially about the drug you have been mentioning klonopin

[Mikey_219Inc]

Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
Hit the gym you panic ass whore

Actually - this is EXCELLENT advice ... nothing helps me more than regular excercise.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by beergood
I hear pot helps out with anxiety

No it doesn't, it makes it worse.

At a glance it sounds almost like maybe your anxiety is increased or possibly even triggered by the fact that you can't make your rent payment regularly. Are you employed? Adult biz is not what it used to be and you may want to consider getting some kind of job while you're getting your feet in this business. I would try this before pills and regular counselling sessions will help also.

Edit: Looks like you actually got some good help on GFY which is cool, hope you get better

[mach]

thanks to the guys who have sent the money to my paypal address [email protected]

it is much needed to take care of the rent. So i can try and get to some sort of being normal. I would appreciate anything others can give 5 dollars or anything would be a great help

When you feel the anxiety just tell yourself that this is just a trick your mind is playing on you

Thats big problem i have with the GAD im at a constant state of worry, i know what im feeling is over the top but i just cant stop it.

Watch more cartoons, read more, detach

yeah i was advised to start up some meditation or relacxation technique

[Furious_Male]

Originally posted by Ironhorse


Getting psyche help on GFY is not really a good idea.

I agree but with panic disorder sometimes it helps just knowing someone else is going through the same thing. Once you know your not alone it IS easier to deal with.

I am sure mach knows not to go getting these suggested drugs off the street. It never hurts to suggest things to your doctors. A lot of doctors still don't have a good grasp on the disorder.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by Furious_Male


I agree but with panic disorder sometimes it helps just knowing someone else is going through the same thing. Once you know your not alone it IS easier to deal with.

I am sure mach knows not to go getting these suggested drugs off the street. It never hurts to suggest things to your doctors. A lot of doctors still don't have a good grasp on the disorder.

Yeah I posted before I realized he actually got alot of good advice in this post, which is really cool.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by beergood
I hear pot helps out with anxiety

crack helps lung cancer too.
anyone taking pot whilst having ANY sort of mental issues is fucking nuts.

[MarkTiarra]

I sat through two years with my mom having major panic problems and thinking she was having heart attacks. She eventually pulled herself out of it and has since gone on to teach others the mental techniques she's used to overcome the various anxiety related problems she had. She's had great success with it.

What I find odd about the medical community's treatment of anxiety problems is that they go right for meds. Here we have a host of proven problems that relate back to stress which the medical community finally amits is the result of MENTAL treatment of outside stimulus. But the amount of attention giving to retraining your thought patterns is all but non-existent.

Anyway I'll hit you up on ICQ... I'm sure I can at least lend some good suggestions.

[mach]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


crack helps lung cancer too.
anyone taking pot whilst having ANY sort of mental issues is fucking nuts.

yeah the doctor told me to stay away from drinking and smoking (pot). because there is more chance of getting a dependence on them to deal with things.

[Repetitive Monkey]

I have had a panic attack. It lasted for three days and I couldn't sleep at all or concentrate on anything. It came because of a lot of stress during the time before the attack, so I took a break from everything and I haven't had another attack since.

The only thing I did during those three days was educating myself on panic attacks in hopes of finding a way to end it. I learned that panic attacks are the bodys way of giving you an edge in life-threatening situations (fight-or-flight), and since they are triggered by high levels of anxiety rather than your logic telling you that you are about to be seriously hurt or possibly killed if you don't do something drastic, they therefore also sometimes trigger on purely internal conflicts. I also learned that most people who have experienced a "non-justified" panic attack WILL experience them again later in life. Why? Because even if the original causative anxiety is gone, the anxiety of getting another panic attack can be great.

There isn't really a cure for panic attacks other than getting to the root of that which causes you anxiety. Drugs (and pot) CAN help some, but in reality they only smooth over the effect, and don't get to the cause. Did I mention the side effects? Drugs have side effects.

Before getting a mind-altering "medicine" or becoming a pothead like the other people in this thread seem to suggest, I strongly advise you to try to deal with it personally, find a way to destroy the cause of your anxiety (which appears to be of a financial nature, so McDonalds next), or maybe even go for Behavioral Cognative Therapy (which is techniques and training in thinking more positively) since that helps for some.

Also, here is an interesting read: http://www.members.aol.com/jambeau1/panic.html
It's not a sales pitch, just read it through and see if you would like to try it.

[toddler]

I wish you luck man. Be +VERY+ careful with the drugs. I've seen some incredibly fucked up people over the years, almost all of them from drugs. Not illegal drugs, but the xanax's of the world.

Some people may really need them, a 'chemical imbalance'. Take vitamins, eat
better. RELAX more. Someone said above, it sounds like you wig on rent. Strongly suggest you work on getting a 'steady'
job to supplement porn, I think you may
rest easier.

Again, good luck.

[Furious_Male]

Originally posted by Ironhorse


Yeah I posted before I realized he actually got alot of good advice in this post, which is really cool.

No doubt. It is suprising how many people have or know someone with this disorder. This threads although new is getting a lot of action.

[SureFire]

Originally posted by mach
thanks to the guys who have sent the money to my paypal address [email protected]

it is much needed to take care of the rent. So i can try and get to some sort of being normal. I would appreciate anything others can give 5 dollars or anything would be a great help



yeah i was advised to start up some meditation or relacxation technique

Panic Attacks; underlining cause is depression and I hope you get the proper treatment but your paypal request makes you look like if your panic attacks are caused by needing money. Get help and find a job that has insurance. Many people hold jobs while dealing with anxiety.

[unitedpimps jrock]

Originally posted by beergood
I hear pot helps out with anxiety

I think it depends on the person...I know people that quit smoking pot because of anxiety

[Repetitive Monkey]

I see some of the latest posts suggests working out. I can't see how I managed to forget that. Working out will increase your levels of natural serotonin and endorphins and balance you out emotionally.

[Mikey_219Inc]

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
What I find odd about the medical community's treatment of anxiety problems is that they go right for meds. Here we have a host of proven problems that relate back to stress which the medical community finally amits is the result of MENTAL treatment of outside stimulus. But the amount of attention giving to retraining your thought patterns is all but non-existent.

Thats not odd - thats their job ... the pharmaceuticals kiss their ass with smearmoney, conventions, handjobs, all kinds of shit. of course a doctor is going to push pills. Im not at the point where im ready to get off the snri - first im getting off the xanax by switching to a better newer med, then like whoever said, excercise is a BIG help ... sweats out a lot of your stress.

I want to agree with what your saying, it seems like youve seen it first hand, but have you felt it? ive tried to get off the ssris while in a very good state, excercising daily, gainfully employed, overall happy, and the panic attacks came right back ... i dont know. I look forward to being able to handle panic attacks without meds - thats not going to happen today tho ...

medical community is a cash cow, so dont be surprised about that, but i like to read about those who have overcome the attacks by alternate methods, gives me hope for the future. I dont want to take this shit for the rest of my life.

[Mogulman]

Originally posted by mach
just been diagnoised by a psychiatrist to have generalised anxiety disorder and panic attacks. Also been having problems with my heart and they think its related to the panic attacks.

so i have been having a hard time with things. Been hard keeping my mind on working when im having those damn attacks.

Im having troubles keeping the rent up too in this bad period. I'm 19 and live by myself so i dont have someone to split the rent with.

the doctor said CIPRAMIL may be helpful for the GAD he also mentioned XANAX (if anyone has used them please let me know how they did) also talked about Behavioral Cognative Therapy

I would appreciate if anyone could give anything to help me out i dont care if its 5 dollars to help with my rent or just some advice on the matter if you have had this problem in the past.

my icq is 261416544 if you can talk

thanks

First of all - don't start on some meds. Its almost always some bullshit that doesn't solve the problem, just covers it up and gives you something else instead (i.e. hair tonic that gets you the girl, but makes you flacid when you get to do something with her).

Second - My uncle had a HORRIBLE time with panic problems. But it just turned out there were elements in his life that he hated. He wasn't coming to terms with them on a conscience level and it started to effect him physically.

For him it was his wife & her bullshit and his job & his bullshit. Got rid of them both and got back to basics (i.e. what makes him happy). Panic attacks to a dramatic nosedive until they ceased all together - that was over 8 years ago.

I'd suggest you really look at the a full breadth of your situation physically, emotionally, financially, mentally and how each of those elements interact. Its easier typed than done, but make your state of mind a decision. Understand what is happening around you when you're smiling and strive for it.

[Mogulman]

Originally posted by Mogulman

.. his job & his bullshit. ...(i.e. what makes him it.

typos - his job & its bullshit

[mach]

Originally posted by SureFire


Panic Attacks; underlining cause is depression and I hope you get the proper treatment but your paypal request makes you look like if your panic attacks are caused by needing money. Get help and find a job that has insurance. Many people hold jobs while dealing with anxiety.

usually i can take care of things and deal with everything ok. But its not healthy living like that.

It adds up having to goto specialists having the tests done etc. But im sure worrying about money doesn't help. But at this stage of things with the GAD i worry about everything.

[Mikey_219Inc]

Originally posted by SureFire


Panic Attacks; underlining cause is depression and I hope you get the proper treatment but your paypal request makes you look like if your panic attacks are caused by needing money. Get help and find a job that has insurance. Many people hold jobs while dealing with anxiety.

??? i had panic attacks for 13 years w/o depression. underlying cause of true panic disorder is seratonin imbalance ... depression is neporephrine (some shit like that) imbalance. both different chem's in the brain. excercise and avoiding triggers (for me, caffiene, weed) helps - sometimes meds are needed.

needing money does not cause panic disorder ... you may freak out at the thought of living on the street, thats natural. Panic disorder is when you freak out for no (evident) reason at all.

if you cant pay rent, you need to get the hell of GFY and work for a while. I dont understand the shame in it ... ive worked normal jobs off and on while doing internet shit before i was making enough to go full time.

[Repetitive Monkey]

Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
You need an ssri or snri to regulate the chemical imbalance

Chemical imbalance is A cause of panic attacks, depression, et cetera, but definitely not a common cause for standard panic attacks. Besides, it's already clear what the cause of the thread starter's anxiety is (shitty finances).

It's people like you who cause half the western population to be on some kind of mind-altering drug. Feeling a little down? Take drugs! Hurt your foot? DRUGS! Divorced? DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS!

I don't mean to put you down, but that particular statement was very ignorant.

[Furious_Male]

Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc


??? i had panic attacks for 13 years w/o depression. underlying cause of true panic disorder is seratonin imbalance ... depression is neporephrine (some shit like that) imbalance. both different

I wasnt aware of the seratonin theory. I to never had depression. It was just a rush of energy that led to panic I couldnt control.

I am going to look into this seratonin thing.

[mach]

Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey

Chemical imbalance is A cause of panic attacks, depression, et cetera, but definitely not a common cause for standard panic attacks. Besides, it's already clear what the cause of the thread starter's anxiety is (shitty finances).

It's people like you who cause half the western population to be on some kind of mind-altering drug. Feeling a little down? Take drugs! Hurt your foot? DRUGS! Divorced? DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS!

I don't mean to put you down, but that particular statement was very ignorant.

i do agree having to worry about my money situation doesn't help

however, i must say that i feel i have had GAD disorder most my life when i was in primary and high school when living at home with no money worries. So i feel it goes a little deeper then just money

the panic attacks have come on later in the game maybe due to making rent im not totally sure.

[SureFire]

Originally posted by mach



usually i can take care of things and deal with everything ok. But its not healthy living like that.

It adds up having to goto specialists having the tests done etc. But im sure worrying about money doesn't help. But at this stage of things with the GAD i worry about everything.

You are right that it is not healthy living in a state of panic but asking for donations won't cure your mental health issues. As I said treatment and finding a job with insurance will help.

[Furious_Male]

Ok that was flip flopped Mikey_219inc Serotonin is related to depression while norepinephrine has some links to panic. Interesting stuff.

[Trayce]

If you eat a lot of fast food or frozen processed food, a change in diet may help along with the other suggestions listed here. It's true that we are what we eat and food can affect the chemicals in our brains. (Damn, is THAT a loaded sentence... I'm sure some of you will have fun with that.)

I'm always amazed by the difference in attitude that my daughter (age 14) has depending on what she's eaten in the last few days. Healthier organic food keeps her teenage moodswings much more in check, but if she eats out a lot at McDonald's and the like she's hell to deal with.

Good food doesn't have to be inconvenient either. Boston Market provides a healthier alternative to most fast food places (if you have one near you), and if you live near a Whole Foods market or something like that (Wild Oats, Fresh Fields, etc) that's a great place to eat as well.

Also, if you drink a lot of soda try water and juices instead. Soda is evil I swear.

While we're on the subject of fear... here's a great article that will make you laugh:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...304.DTL&nl=fix

Hope that lightens your day just a bit.

[Mikey_219Inc]

Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey

Chemical imbalance is A cause of panic attacks, depression, et cetera, but definitely not a common cause for standard panic attacks. Besides, it's already clear what the cause of the thread starter's anxiety is (shitty finances).

It's people like you who cause half the western population to be on some kind of mind-altering drug. Feeling a little down? Take drugs! Hurt your foot? DRUGS! Divorced? DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS!

I don't mean to put you down, but that particular statement was very ignorant.

(me) underlying cause of true panic disorder is seratonin imbalance ... depression is neporephrine (some shit like that) imbalance. both different chem's in the brain. excercise and avoiding triggers (for me, caffiene, weed) helps - sometimes meds are needed.

Read the full thread before sticking your foot in your mouth asswipe. I am many things, but ignorant is not one of them.

needing money does not cause panic disorder ... you may freak out at the thought of living on the street, thats natural. Panic disorder is when you freak out for no (evident) reason at all.

next time read before calling me ignorant ... asshole, idiot, jackass, fuckwit, jerkoff, pervert, are all acceptable, just please not ignorant

peace - Mikey

[toddler]

Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc


next time read before calling me ignorant ... asshole, idiot, jackass, fuckwit, jerkoff, pervert, are all acceptable, just please not ignorant

peace - Mikey

hey, we're talking about relaxation here....relax......relaaaaxxxx.....

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