NationalNet offered 10mbps for $485... Where's the competition!? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Jer · 08-01-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex
Although NationalNet are obviously overselling, I doubt anyone will step up for 10mbps for $485-- Considering they will accept adult websites.

Webair.com is doing it for $475

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
If you get emails FROM me, you have either joined one of our sites, and put your email in a collecion box. If you do not want the email, remove, its pretty simple. You call that spam?

If you get emails to my sites, chances are they are affilates, we do not mail our own sites most of the time since the surfers have already seen them.

uh huuuuh...

how many complaints you get a day, maybe ISPrime can fill us in on the light since they hosted you....

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 12:56 PM

The deal for national-net is very interesting, I might even take it..

if NationalNet made a public statement that they don't allow spam, and followed through and kicked your ass off there network Brad ;)

I heard theres good bulletproof hosting in Czechoslovakia and Eastern Russia, you should check it out.

Snake Doctor · 08-01-2003, 01:41 PM

Capped bandwidth is always a good bit cheaper than uncapped bandwidth because there's no way you'll use the whole 10mbps.

On a capped 10mbps line if you push it really hard you'll get about 7 megs out of it (but your site will be slow sometimes)
So 7 megs/$485 is $69 a meg....which is about what Jupiter hosting was offering me when I was talking to them.

Its still a good deal, especially considering the great things I've heard about Nat Net' support..but its not like they're selling below cost or anything.

Jeffery · 08-01-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Biggy2

NationalNet, do you host BradShaw? Cause if you do, and you know he's spamming, I would turn him off as well, cause in essence you are letting all your other clients get fucked.

This statement is NOT true. If a network is managed properly, spamming can be done and if anyone is affected negatively, it is only that particular client. We can do this because we have a big network, many IP blocks, and many different providers.

The reason some providers do not like to have clients who do mailings is that they will either get in trouble with their providers (most usual), or they don't like dealing with complaints. Since we maintain our own backbone, dealing with providers is not a problem for us. And since our clients, especially larger clients like Brad Shaw, are important to us, we work with them to support their mailing ... which if you haven't noticed is an extremely profitable part of doing business on the Internet now.

Jeffery · 08-01-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by AdultNex
Although NationalNet are obviously overselling, I doubt anyone will step up for 10mbps for $485-- Considering they will accept adult websites.

NationalNet has never and will never oversell the network. Though I can understand why you think that with a deal like this...

This is a one time event. Webmasters who get going on this package now will receive the same level of service as all our clients.

BradShaw · 08-01-2003, 01:56 PM

Keep in mind, mailing is not spamming. There is a major difference. If I could not mail my members, my payouts would drop. Same goes for any major PPS program, we depend on mailing our members to add to the bottom line.

Consider that your free lesson for today.

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Keep in mind, mailing is not spamming. There is a major difference. If I could not mail my members, my payouts would drop. Same goes for any major PPS program, we depend on mailing our members to add to the bottom line.

Consider that your free lesson for today.

Brad, how many complaints you get a day?

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery

This statement is NOT true. If a network is managed properly, spamming can be done and if anyone is affected negatively, it is only that particular client. We can do this because we have a big network, many IP blocks, and many different providers.

The reason some providers do not like to have spamming clients is that they will either get in trouble with their providers (most usual), or they don't like dealing with complaints. Since we maintain our own backbone, dealing with providers is not a problem for us. And since our clients, especially larger clients like Brad Shaw, are important to us, we work with them to support their mailing ... which if you haven't noticed is an extremely profitable part of doing business on the Internet now.

Jeffery -

I want to make this very clear.

It sounds as if you are supporting SPAM. I've heard many good things about your company, this is something I would not expect.

If I'm Joe Schmo, I have a list of emails I want to Spam, and I have enough money, will you allow me to spam from your network?

Yes or No.

08-01-2003, 02:06 PM

See sig. Hit me up on ICQ, if you like it ..

Jeffery · 08-01-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Biggy2

Jeffery -

I want to make this very clear.

It sounds as if you are supporting SPAM. I've heard many good things about your company, this is something I would not expect.

If I'm Joe Schmo, I have a list of emails I want to Spam, and I have enough money, will you allow me to spam from your network?

Yes or No.

I apologize for the wording of "spam" -- I edited that out. We do not support spam where someone buys a list and spams it with material unrelated to the list.

We do support mailings on an individual basis -- the factors being how well maintained the list is and how well the client deals with the complaints and remove requests.

If you are wondering if we subscribe to the attitude some Internet users have that there should be ZERO mailings, then no, we don't agree. We do what is best for our clients, period. Though opinions of what is best may differ, we try to support all our customers' needs no matter what their opinion is.

rowan · 08-01-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery

This statement is NOT true. If a network is managed properly, spamming can be done and if anyone is affected negatively, it is only that particular client. We can do this because we have a big network, many IP blocks, and many different providers.

The reason some providers do not like to have clients who do mailings is that they will either get in trouble with their providers (most usual), or they don't like dealing with complaints. Since we maintain our own backbone, dealing with providers is not a problem for us. And since our clients, especially larger clients like Brad Shaw, are important to us, we work with them to support their mailing ... which if you haven't noticed is an extremely profitable part of doing business on the Internet now.

So if I'm reading you right, nat-net's official policy on spam is that they permit it, no worries mate?

Jeffery · 08-01-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Biggy2

Yes or No.

With the limited information I have... No. We are not a BP provider. It depends on many things about your list and methods of support.

BradShaw · 08-01-2003, 02:10 PM

Biggie, you may not like me, but keep that between you and I, do not bring Nat Net into it..... They run a top notch company.

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Biggie, you may not like me, but keep that between you and I, do not bring Nat Net into it..... They run a top notch company.

Brad,

let me make myself very clear.

I have heard nothing but good things about National-Net. Thats why I am very surprised they are taking this policy and announcing it on a public board.

There is a very good reason hosts turn away spam, One being that they can get booted from their providers. Everything Nat-Net has said is true. The fact of the matter is, you have sites like spews.org out there that try to crack spammers, when they find out that Nat-Net is supporting these activities, they aren't going to let it fly.

Why dont you post how many complaints you get a day, then we can call it spam or not.

Spam is a loosely defined word, I know people who mail out millions a day, and get 5 complaints a month - WHY? cause they're smart, and it really is opt-in -- but it is from my understanding you get a little more than 5 complaints a month

xxxdesign-net · 08-01-2003, 02:25 PM

is Webair around?

BradShaw · 08-01-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Biggy2

Brad,

let me make myself very clear.

I have heard nothing but good things about National-Net. Thats why I am very surprised they are taking this policy and announcing it on a public board.

There is a very good reason hosts turn away spam, One being that they can get booted from their providers. Everything Nat-Net has said is true. The fact of the matter is, you have sites like spews.org out there that try to crack spammers, when they find out that Nat-Net is supporting these activities, they aren't going to let it fly.

Why dont you post how many complaints you get a day, then we can call it spam or not.

Spam is a loosely defined word, I know people who mail out millions a day, and get 5 complaints a month - WHY? cause they're smart, and it really is opt-in -- but it is from my understanding you get a little more than 5 complaints a month

No doubt that you love isprime and are just stirring shit. I love to keep bumping this thread though. I figure more deals Nat Net can hook up, cheaper it will be for everyone else!

megag · 08-01-2003, 02:36 PM

Jeffrey,

Can you elaborate on the quality of your bandwidth please.

The deal you offer sounds a bit unrealistic. As far as I know that none of the 7 TIER 1 backbone providers offer WHOLESALE bandwidth at the this price. So, what is the catch here?

How many TIER 1 providers do your peer with? What is your BGP AS number?

Do you provide any SLA in regards to network latencies and network availability?

Thank you in advance.
--A

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw

No doubt that you love isprime and are just stirring shit. I love to keep bumping this thread though. I figure more deals Nat Net can hook up, cheaper it will be for everyone else!

answer the question..

<font size="5">how many complaints do you get a day?</font>

then we can call it spam or not, you denied it, now provide the facts and tell the truth! you seem to keep ignoring it and bringing up other shit that doesnt matter...

and youre damn right i love isprime, any hosting company thats smart enough to turn away money instead of hosting spammers are smart, and know they have a clean record..

and know in the future i wont see a decrease in traffic cause of blacklisted IP space...

my bitching is about you damaging their name when you are a complete and utter idiot, your checks bounce, you spam - and then you wonder why they kick you off..

if natnet was smart, they would kick your ass off now, get their bounced checks now, and worry about the headache of you badmouthing them later

aiken · 08-01-2003, 02:43 PM

So if I'm paying $450/Mb (95th %ile) for 8Mbps, is that way too much these days? It's Internap, which is great bandwidth, but obviously that's a pretty good chunk of change.

Cheers
-b

nuclei · 08-01-2003, 02:48 PM

I can get 10mbps + managed server from phatservers.net for anyone who wants it for $500/month all day everyday.

BradShaw · 08-01-2003, 02:54 PM

I spam and I bounce checks? You have been talking to Alex too much. I have paid out in the tens of millions $ to webmasters, never bounced a single check. Next, you are a fucking idiot. Your TGP is calling.

sextoyking · 08-01-2003, 02:55 PM

Biggy,

Shut the fuck up already

if you like your provider, well by all means stick with them. there is nothing wrong with that.

Please stick to your business and others will stick to there's.

megag · 08-01-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by aiken
So if I'm paying $450/Mb (95th %ile) for 8Mbps, is that way too much these days? It's Internap, which is great bandwidth, but obviously that's a pretty good chunk of change.

Cheers
-b

seems like a good deal.... does it include the rack space?

nuclei · 08-01-2003, 02:56 PM

Brad nicely priced sale yer having at freshphotos. I may just have to take that :P

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
I spam and I bounce checks? You have been talking to Alex too much. I have paid out in the tens of millions $ to webmasters, never bounced a single check. Next, you are a fucking idiot. Your TGP is calling.

how much of that 10 mill went out to spammers?

you spam, its obvious.

you put it in your sig you were looking to buy lists, right here on GFY.

you won't post how many complaints you get a day, cause you know its a lot.

you spam, end of story.

i have not attacked you on a personal level, but you cannot seem to help but attack me on one ;) even though you know nothing about me.. lets keep this professional.

its not my fault you spam.

Houdini · 08-01-2003, 03:15 PM

All I know is based on the prices floating around this thread, I'm getting fucking rolled.

Rui · 08-01-2003, 03:24 PM

NatNet can be big but what sort of company makes the posts above that seem to give the impression they endorse spam?

Also the fact that you mentioned very little about the dedicated server specs and software is funny to say the least

easyfun · 08-01-2003, 03:29 PM

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If you get emails FROM me, you have either joined one of our sites, and put your email in a collecion box. If you do not want the email, remove, its pretty simple. You call that spam?

Yes - I do - Especially when I cancel and still receive the shit.

easyfun · 08-01-2003, 03:33 PM

Forgot to add - I never signed up for one of your programmes - Still get the spam, tho.

Pornwolf · 08-01-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rui
NatNet can be big but what sort of company makes the posts above that seem to give the impression they endorse spam?

Also the fact that you mentioned very little about the dedicated server specs and software is funny to say the least

The better question to consider is what kind of hosting company wouldn't allow you to mail to your members? If a hosting company didn't allow that you couldn't run a Join For Free type program or even mail your own membership lists. That would be plain stupid.

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf

The better question to consider is what kind of hosting company wouldn't allow you to mail to your members? If a hosting company didn't allow that you couldn't run a Join For Free type program or even mail your own membership lists. That would be plain stupid.

yes, but we are not just talking about mailing to members

Snake Doctor · 08-01-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf

The better question to consider is what kind of hosting company wouldn't allow you to mail to your members? If a hosting company didn't allow that you couldn't run a Join For Free type program or even mail your own membership lists. That would be plain stupid.

That's a good point.
Also the number of complaints someone receives isn't necessarily an accurate representation of whether or not their lists are really "opt-in"

Lensman said he gets spam complaints when he mails his webmasters to let them know about a new program or promotion. That's fucking ridiculous.

Even if Brad was a blatant spammer, its not Nat Net's job to police him. They don't (and shouldn't) examine thier client's email lists and tell some they can mail and tell others that they can't.

And as far as the theory about Nat Net's other clients being at risk....when have you ever heard someone say "My site at Nat Net is down"??

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

That's a good point.
Also the number of complaints someone receives isn't necessarily an accurate representation of whether or not their lists are really "opt-in"

Lensman said he gets spam complaints when he mails his webmasters to let them know about a new program or promotion. That's fucking ridiculous.

Even if Brad was a blatant spammer, its not Nat Net's job to police him. They don't (and shouldn't) examine thier client's email lists and tell some they can mail and tell others that they can't.

And as far as the theory about Nat Net's other clients being at risk....when have you ever heard someone say "My site at Nat Net is down"??

My beef isnt with Nat Net, its with Brad Shaw.

Im just surprised they host him, when he does his "mailing activities". NatNet was always a top notch company in my eyes, im just surprised to hear they will take on mailing customers like BradShaw.

If brad posts how many complaints he gets a day, and the truthful number, we'll let you decide if its spam or not.

Yes, Lens will get complaints, but how many, 5, 10, 100, 1000, 10000?

Brad put in his sig a few weeks ago on GFY about how he wanted to buy email lists, this doesn't sound like his own members to me...

Brad, dont post shit about me, we're talking about you and your mailing activities, i get spam in my inbox, i dont know why,

tell us, how many complaints you get?

Biggy2 · 08-01-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

That's a good point.
Also the number of complaints someone receives isn't necessarily an accurate representation of whether or not their lists are really "opt-in"

Lensman said he gets spam complaints when he mails his webmasters to let them know about a new program or promotion. That's fucking ridiculous.

Even if Brad was a blatant spammer, its not Nat Net's job to police him. They don't (and shouldn't) examine thier client's email lists and tell some they can mail and tell others that they can't.

And as far as the theory about Nat Net's other clients being at risk....when have you ever heard someone say "My site at Nat Net is down"??

Lenny,

here is the problem and why hosts take on a ZERO TOLERANCE policy.
you have sites out there that go after spammers and people who support them (this means the host). When a spammer is caught, they blacklist the IP space..
This means surfers who use ISPs who have these lists of blacklisted IP space cant access your site.
Nat-Net has come out on a public board and stated they do have mailing clients, BUT they put them on their own IP blocks, so if these sites find out, only the spammers get affected.
BUT the problem is, when they find out Nat-Net is doing this, they won't let it fly, trust me on this, these people are after spam and people who support spam.
Why don't you think many other large hosting companies say no to spam, it is for this reason, you are at risk.
Tell me, you don't think other big companies can do what Nat-Net is doing. Some do it, and some don't. I was always under the impression that Nat-Net was zero-tolerance on spam, since ive heard so much good things about them - the best hosts out there ARE zero-tolerance, cause they know the money now isnt worth the headache later.

webair · 08-01-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

Hey Webair... so your offer is uncapped?

Is there a setup fee or contract?
is it congent?
do you offer Real-time web statistics ?
do you offer web base email accounts? (like mynatmail.com)

Is there a setup fee or contract? - monthly contracts, no setup fee

is it congent? - we do not have connectivity to cogent in any way shape or form

do you offer Real-time web statistics ? - 100% mrtg, wusage, & we have our own control panel stats, new control panel to be released shortly http://newcp.webair.com

do you offer web base email accounts? - yes pop3 and web based e-mail - http://webmail.webair.com & http://mymail.webair.com

Pornwolf · 08-01-2003, 04:11 PM

Webair runs a tight ship. I had an account there and it was taken care of quite nicely.

webair · 08-01-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Webair runs a tight ship. I had an account there and it was taken care of quite nicely.

Thanks wolf!

anyone at the show that wants to meet up, give me a buzz 516.650.1501

xxxdesign-net · 08-01-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by webair

Is there a setup fee or contract? - monthly contracts, no setup fee

is it congent? - we do not have connectivity to cogent in any way shape or form

do you offer Real-time web statistics ? - 100% mrtg, wusage, & we have our own control panel stats, new control panel to be released shortly http://newcp.webair.com

do you offer web base email accounts? - yes pop3 and web based e-mail - http://webmail.webair.com & http://mymail.webair.com

and is it capped or uncapped? and how much for overage?

Rui · 08-01-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf

The better question to consider is what kind of hosting company wouldn't allow you to mail to your members? If a hosting company didn't allow that you couldn't run a Join For Free type program or even mail your own membership lists. That would be plain stupid.

nice way to change what we are talking about..

Both you and me know the mailing in question ain't concerning membership lists...

HughJardon · 08-01-2003, 04:32 PM

We run and own a 25,000 square foot data center in downtown Los Angeles.

p4 2.4 1gig ram 80 gig hd.

10mps uncapped

cogent $300 overage $40 a meg
global crossing $475 overage $60 a meg
multi-honed global crossing, level3, verio, and aleron $600 overage $70 a meg

billed on a 95%

24/7 noc services unlimited reboots.

[email protected]
213 228 0060

Matt_WildCash · 08-01-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery

You will not be missing a multihomed backbone with NationalNet. We currently have 6 Internet connections all ranging in multiples of 1000Gbps.

Consumptionjunction, siccash, platinumbucks, and many others trust their business to us.

You can find more info on our network here:
http://www.national-net.com/2003/networkinfra.php?c=2

I would move my business to you in a split second if you offered realistic pricing. Sure 10 megabit for $485 is amazing. But as my business grows I may need another 10 megabit and when I come to ask you for that later on down the track you are going to tell me to pay $1500 for any extra 10 megabit servers.

Don't say you won't cause thats what your people have told me.

Christ last week I tried to get a quote on a basic server with 2 megabits for $400 and you said you couldn't do it, you said you couldn't do 5 megabits for $650. You wanted to charge me through the ass for it. I can't grow on a host that rapes when with pricing like that i'm amazed big programs are with you but I guess they secured a "special deal" with you when they moved to you.

Love to do business with national-net there speed & support is kickass, take this deal if you want 10 megabits of premium quality bandwidth but don't expect to pay anything less than $1500 when you want to grow with your service

BradShaw · 08-01-2003, 04:38 PM

Pretty crappy to see other people come into this thread and solicit business.

As for my complaints, I get 576 per day, by 6am. But thats not on National Net.

xxxdesign-net · 08-01-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Pretty crappy to see other people come into this thread and solicit business.

As for my complaints, I get 576 per day, by 6am. But thats no on National Net.

read the first post again....

Pornwolf · 08-01-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw

As for my complaints, I get 576 per day, by 6am. But thats no on National Net.

Exactly. This is why I don't understand why people would come on this thread and dog Nat Net when they don't know the whole situation. I've heard nothing but good things about them and what Lenny said about their email policy is what any good host would... but there's only a handful of truly good hosts.

HughJardon · 08-01-2003, 04:44 PM

driven ring me up? lots of big adult customers are on our network 213 228 0060 or email [email protected]

webair · 08-01-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

and is it capped or uncapped? and how much for overage?

either or, its up to you, shoot me an e-mail to discuss burstable rates and options...again, i'll be in and out all weekend so please be patoent if i do not respond immediately

keyDet79 · 08-01-2003, 05:28 PM

We at VibeHosting.com can do 10mbps uncapped (100mbit burstable) on 95 percentile for $395/mo, no setup fee, and ~$50 per mbit overage. This is on a P4 2.4GHz server.

boobmaster · 08-01-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Captain

Brad, you are still crying about us not letting you spam?

Spam? Hmmm!

boobmaster · 08-01-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery

NationalNet is very customer service oriented. We like to build relationships with our clients. As you are aware, we offer 24/7/365 support via phone, email and web ticketing -- if you call at 4am, someone WILL answer and WILL help you.

I can definitely vouch for that. I've used nat-net for almost four years and I don't think it's ever taken them more than 20 minutes to reply to one of my work orders, and I've opened LOTS of work orders.

08-01-2003, 01:41 PM	#54
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Capped bandwidth is always a good bit cheaper than uncapped bandwidth because there's no way you'll use the whole 10mbps. On a capped 10mbps line if you push it really hard you'll get about 7 megs out of it (but your site will be slow sometimes) So 7 megs/$485 is $69 a meg....which is about what Jupiter hosting was offering me when I was talking to them. Its still a good deal, especially considering the great things I've heard about Nat Net' support..but its not like they're selling below cost or anything. __________________ sig too big

08-01-2003, 01:56 PM	#57
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Keep in mind, mailing is not spamming. There is a major difference. If I could not mail my members, my payouts would drop. Same goes for any major PPS program, we depend on mailing our members to add to the bottom line. Consider that your free lesson for today. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

08-01-2003, 02:10 PM	#64
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Biggie, you may not like me, but keep that between you and I, do not bring Nat Net into it..... They run a top notch company. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

08-01-2003, 02:43 PM	#70
aiken Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kona, HI Posts: 204	So if I'm paying $450/Mb (95th %ile) for 8Mbps, is that way too much these days? It's Internap, which is great bandwidth, but obviously that's a pretty good chunk of change. Cheers -b __________________ ICQ: 12005327

08-01-2003, 02:48 PM	#71
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	I can get 10mbps + managed server from phatservers.net for anyone who wants it for $500/month all day everyday. __________________ The next generation of SEO Last edited by nuclei; 08-01-2003 at 02:54 PM..

08-01-2003, 12:56 PM	#53
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	The deal for national-net is very interesting, I might even take it.. if NationalNet made a public statement that they don't allow spam, and followed through and kicked your ass off there network Brad ;) I heard theres good bulletproof hosting in Czechoslovakia and Eastern Russia, you should check it out.

08-01-2003, 02:06 PM	#60
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08-01-2003, 02:25 PM	#66
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	is Webair around?

08-01-2003, 02:36 PM	#68
megag Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MD Posts: 5	Jeffrey, Can you elaborate on the quality of your bandwidth please. The deal you offer sounds a bit unrealistic. As far as I know that none of the 7 TIER 1 backbone providers offer WHOLESALE bandwidth at the this price. So, what is the catch here? How many TIER 1 providers do your peer with? What is your BGP AS number? Do you provide any SLA in regards to network latencies and network availability? Thank you in advance. --A

08-01-2003, 02:54 PM	#72
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I spam and I bounce checks? You have been talking to Alex too much. I have paid out in the tens of millions $ to webmasters, never bounced a single check. Next, you are a fucking idiot. Your TGP is calling. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

08-01-2003, 02:55 PM	#73
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08-01-2003, 02:56 PM	#75
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	Brad nicely priced sale yer having at freshphotos. I may just have to take that :P __________________ The next generation of SEO

08-01-2003, 03:15 PM	#77
Houdini Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,651	All I know is based on the prices floating around this thread, I'm getting fucking rolled.

08-01-2003, 03:24 PM	#78
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	NatNet can be big but what sort of company makes the posts above that seem to give the impression they endorse spam? Also the fact that you mentioned very little about the dedicated server specs and software is funny to say the least

08-01-2003, 03:33 PM	#80
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	Forgot to add - I never signed up for one of your programmes - Still get the spam, tho. __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>

08-01-2003, 04:11 PM	#87
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Webair runs a tight ship. I had an account there and it was taken care of quite nicely. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

08-01-2003, 04:32 PM	#91
HughJardon Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 217	We run and own a 25,000 square foot data center in downtown Los Angeles. p4 2.4 1gig ram 80 gig hd. 10mps uncapped cogent $300 overage $40 a meg global crossing $475 overage $60 a meg multi-honed global crossing, level3, verio, and aleron $600 overage $70 a meg billed on a 95% 24/7 noc services unlimited reboots. [email protected] 213 228 0060

08-01-2003, 04:38 PM	#93
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Pretty crappy to see other people come into this thread and solicit business. As for my complaints, I get 576 per day, by 6am. But thats not on National Net. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com Last edited by BradShaw; 08-01-2003 at 04:40 PM..

08-01-2003, 04:44 PM	#96
HughJardon Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 217	driven ring me up? lots of big adult customers are on our network 213 228 0060 or email [email protected]

08-01-2003, 05:28 PM	#98
keyDet79 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,109	We at VibeHosting.com can do 10mbps uncapped (100mbit burstable) on 95 percentile for $395/mo, no setup fee, and ~$50 per mbit overage. This is on a P4 2.4GHz server. __________________ Multihomed quality BW for less ICQ 51034232 - MSN [email protected] - Email keydet(at)vibehosting.com