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FightThisPatent 08-14-2003 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by fiveyes
I've been told that the site is ready to go live except for being vetted by their counsel. They're probably more anxious than we are to open the doors but you just can't hurry those lawyers along...


Being an individual, i can say and do what i want, so i opened up http://www.FightThisPatent.com

to share info on the various patent issues like Acacia.

get informed, get mad, help find prior art.

Fight the Patent!

sexeducation 08-14-2003 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent




Being an individual, i can say and do what i want, so i opened up http://www.FightThisPatent.com

to share info on the various patent issues like Acacia.

get informed, get mad, help find prior art.

Fight the Patent!


keywords ... "being an individual" ...
translation "arms length and not tongued tied by lawyers"...

There's nothing wrong with two websites ...
finding this "prior art" seems to be the key

FightThisPatent 08-14-2003 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation



keywords ... "being an individual" ...
translation "arms length and not tongued tied by lawyers"...

There's nothing wrong with two websites ...
finding this "prior art" seems to be the key



the only tongue-tying that could stop me, is my own foot in my mouth.... which costs alot less than lawyers :Graucho

sexeducation 08-14-2003 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent




the only tongue-tying that could stop me, is my own foot in my mouth.... which costs alot less than lawyers :Graucho

You're doing an awesome job.
Just awesome.
The type of person to better run my site.

Just a suggestion ...
take donations on FightThisPatent.com specifically for the person who finds this "prior art". Publish the "reward" fund on the site?

It's amazing what will happen - who will crank up their old 286's and other when $10K USD is on the line.

goBigtime 08-14-2003 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


Just a suggestion ...
take donations on FightThisPatent.com specifically for the person who finds this "prior art". Publish the "reward" fund on the site?

Good suggestion, but before you offer a big reward for something like that you better make sure it covers everything you need it to cover - or, have several rewards, a % of the pool or something because Acacia has a lot of claims listed within those few patents.

FightThisPatent 08-14-2003 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime


Good suggestion, but before you offer a big reward for something like that you better make sure it covers everything you need it to cover - or, have several rewards, a % of the pool or something because Acacia has a lot of claims listed within those few patents.


This concept of rewarding for finding prior art was done by BountyQuest.com (now dead). The site was created by a bunch of patent attorneys with $1M investment from Jeff Bezos and $1M from Tim O'Reilly.

You can check out the website via the Wayback Machine, by going to http://www.archive.org , search for www.bountyquest.com


The site offered bounties (ie $10K+) for people who were judged to have found prior art. I think that companies that were involved in lawsuits put up the bounty, and then the website took a "commission" piece.

I am personally involved in this (with no compensation), just because it these patents are wrong, and i do realize the work that we all do to discover prior art does help the attorneys, but it also directly supports the companies being sued.

I am not sure how i feel about putting up a reward/bounty system (it did cross my mind last night)

Besides the issue of who pays the money (ie. accept donations from concerned webmasters who feel they way they can help is to contribute $ to this reward or the attornies/companies involved with a lawsuit), then there is the need to reconcile which leads that the attorney's felt helped the case.

If the attorneys/company were offering the reward, then you get into a gray area where they are the ones that decide if a prior art lead helped them out and maybe they would say a lead helped a little, but not enough, etc, etc...

If the reward money was independent of them, then they would probably be more forthcoming to point out which leads did help them, even if the leads were duplicated to their efforts.. then some kind of % split of the reward could be done.

comments?

homegrownSpike 08-14-2003 05:28 PM

Let me set the record straight about Homegrownvideo and Ce's affiliation. We have a marketing relationship with Ron to market Homegrownvideo.com through Homegrown Cash. It has been an ongoing relationship for the last 4 years. Homegrown Content is marketed and maintained by us separately.

I have no position on their settlement but, let me make it perfectly clear we did not settle, further we specifically requested that Homegrownvideo not be included in their settlement. It has also been represented to me that none of our affiliates were given to Acacia.

Due to my position with the IMPA and the defense group I have stepped back from the day to day dealings with the above mentioned deal. Further in reference to the allegation that the IMPA is funneling money to Acacia via CE this is crazy.

IMPA can only deal with Acacia in ways that benefit the web community as a whole. This could include the collection of prior art and paying for the attorneys time on things that benefit the webmaster community as a whole. The remainder of the litigation costs which include fillings, court time, discovery, status conferences etc have been paid for by the companies that are in the defense group. For more info on what we are doing you can ask Jeff Miller our CFO who can shed light on specific financial questions.

Kimmykim 08-14-2003 05:36 PM

That sexeducation guy is no smarter today than he was a week ago. Geez.

And didn't I just read where TNC (CE's parent company) is either attempting to get or has gotten a preliminary motion AGAINST Acacia media for being a bunch of lying weasels?

hyper 08-14-2003 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasyman
CECash is under a confidentiality agreement with Acacia. It is for that reason I can't respond. You folks will be in for quite a surprise when the truth comes out.

So keep spinning your fairy tales.

Someone forgot to tell Acacia about the confidentiality agreement :1orglaugh

Far-L 08-14-2003 10:59 PM

Here ye, hear ye!

SomeCreep 08-15-2003 12:00 AM

50 fo shizzle my nizzle dizzle

fantasyman 08-15-2003 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by homegrownSpike
It has also been represented to me that none of our affiliates were given to Acacia.


CECash did not disclose any affiliates or vendors.

TinaBallina 08-15-2003 01:33 AM

After reading some of these posts I thought to myself, "Acacia must be sitting back laughing, thinking to themselves these people will end up destroying each other."

Is that what we want? I highly doubt it, that is why we should be uniting with IMPA and/or doing whatever possible to help each other with this fight. Instead we are belittling one another for what we really don?t know, other than what we have read and/or heard. Unless you walk in some one else?s shoes, you don?t know.

By posting anger, stupid jokes or comments regarding anything to do with Acacia, IMPA or one another, just shows a brutish lack of understanding and makes us look weak and incompetent.

I don?t think we want that either, instead we should work together, whether it be donations, rewards, or whatever it takes to show them that we are smarter, stronger and we will prevail.

But that is just me!

CDSmith 08-15-2003 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX
wow....6 years in the biz and I'm not one to bitch or slam but WTF:

Went to impa site to make a donation. Of course a little info about the case, how it effects us, what they're doing with the money would be nice....nope!

Just links to send money and a quicky page that took 2 minutes to build. IMPA's been promoting "give me money" for a few weeks, they need to do better than this....when they do, I'll donate

The focus is on invalidating Acacia's patents, not on putting up splashy pages to impress you. This is hardly a reason to withold a donation. If everyone did that, the IMPA could very well lose. If the IMPA loses, we all lose. Including you.


Just excuse the basic page for now, and make your donations. Now. I'm sure any amount will do.

sexeducation 08-16-2003 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent



This concept of rewarding for finding prior art was done by BountyQuest.com (now dead). The site was created by a bunch of patent attorneys with $1M investment from Jeff Bezos and $1M from Tim O'Reilly.

You can check out the website via the Wayback Machine, by going to http://www.archive.org , search for www.bountyquest.com


The site offered bounties (ie $10K+) for people who were judged to have found prior art. I think that companies that were involved in lawsuits put up the bounty, and then the website took a "commission" piece.

I am personally involved in this (with no compensation), just because it these patents are wrong, and i do realize the work that we all do to discover prior art does help the attorneys, but it also directly supports the companies being sued.

I am not sure how i feel about putting up a reward/bounty system (it did cross my mind last night)

Besides the issue of who pays the money (ie. accept donations from concerned webmasters who feel they way they can help is to contribute $ to this reward or the attornies/companies involved with a lawsuit), then there is the need to reconcile which leads that the attorney's felt helped the case.

If the attorneys/company were offering the reward, then you get into a gray area where they are the ones that decide if a prior art lead helped them out and maybe they would say a lead helped a little, but not enough, etc, etc...

If the reward money was independent of them, then they would probably be more forthcoming to point out which leads did help them, even if the leads were duplicated to their efforts.. then some kind of % split of the reward could be done.

comments?

You seem very knowledgable.
And once again, I say you are the person to run my site.
Anyway ...

It seems to me - that you would be the best person to "independently" dish out this reward money on the FightThisPatent.com website.

Why don't you suggest the rules on how this can be done without "stepping on anyones toes."

How would YOU make this reward happen?

FightThisPatent 08-16-2003 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation



It seems to me - that you would be the best person to "independently" dish out this reward money on the FightThisPatent.com website.

Why don't you suggest the rules on how this can be done without "stepping on anyones toes."

How would YOU make this reward happen?


I don't think my activism will take me in this direction... way too much work.

I'm trying to fight something that is very wrong.. it's a thankless job, not looking for kudos, just driven by good conscious.

People involved like the IMPA, and the many individuals like myself are trying to PROTECT your right to do business, and what i see is total apathy for those not directly connected.

What is it going to take to get through to the webmaster community? Do you need to be served with papers from Acacia before you get pissed off?

IMPA is spending money to fight this patent issue. While it serves to defend them in court, the greater result benefits everyone. That's why they are collecting funds to get support. Takes money to take on money.

I certainly agree with many poster's point that there isn't anything to read at the website, no news or info, just links to give money. I am sure they will resolve that soon.

Until they get the site up, get informed of the issues and read the articles and links on my website. Once you are informed and get pissed off at the issues, then direct that energy in a positive way to fight this thing.

If you can't give money, give support.... either help to find this prior art to invalidate the patent, or be positive in your posts to support anyone who is trying to fight the fight for you.

Far-L 08-16-2003 11:43 AM

Quick reminder: IMPA is not being sued by Acacia. Acacia amended complaints against companies it was already suing.

Kevlar 08-16-2003 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
CECASH is still doing alot more to help impai.org than most webmasters are

Just because they made a settlement doesn't mean they agree with it,, their fighting it all the way

Wrong, they're doing harm by giving the patent credibility by licensing. I don't care if they're donating a million dollars to the impa, they're still hurting the cause.

sexeducation 08-16-2003 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent

I don't think my activism will take me in this direction... way too much work.
Tell me about it...


Quote:

I'm trying to fight something that is very wrong.. it's a thankless job, not looking for kudos, just driven by good conscious.
That's cost me years of hard work. : )


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If you can't give money, give support....
I have something for you and IMPAI.org
It's arriving in a couple days.
Contact me by ICQ 32315652

Quote:

either help to find this prior art to invalidate the patent, or be positive in your posts to support anyone who is trying to fight the fight for you. [/B]
I agree with that ...
this is why you will like what I have done for the "cause".

Contact me by ICQ in a couple days please ...
32315652

sexeducation 08-19-2003 05:23 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...6&pagenumber=2


Just in case you miss the thread above.
There are leads in it for "prior art".
: ) [fingers crossed]


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