It's true, porn is dying (or the shaving is just getting worse)

[49thParallel]

I decided to compare some month to month conversions for one of the free type email programs I have been promoting for some time. I won't mention which one, but look at the difference between July 17 - 25 2003 and July 17 - 25 2002. Exactly same traffic sources. Same number of exit consoles. And I don't buy the argument that the surfer is getting used to free porn. There are 10's of thousands of new surfers every single day. And my stats from 2001 to 2002 didn't differ a whole lot.

So, in 2003 23,000 uniques earned $144 or .006 cents per exit.
In 2002, 50,500 earned $1292 or .03 cents per exit (500% more)

Has the industry really crashed that badly??


2003
07-17-2003 2832 2696 22 1:122 $17.60
07-18-2003 2842 2716 22 1:123 $17.60
07-19-2003 2441 2337 29 1:80 $23.20
07-20-2003 2158 2061 16 1:128 $12.80
07-21-2003 2206 2137 21 1:101 $16.80
07-22-2003 2912 2789 16 1:174 $12.80
07-23-2003 3142 3019 20 1:150 $16.00
07-24-2003 2985 2861 17 1:168 $13.60
07-25-2003 3055 2911 17 1:171 $13.60

23527 Uniques - Total earnings $144

07-17-2002 4585 4248 137 1:31 $137.00
07-18-2002 5063 4732 144 1:32 $144.00
07-19-2002 4484 4207 160 1:26 $160.00
07-20-2002 4672 4393 138 1:31 $138.00
07-21-2002 3882 3667 127 1:28 $127.00
07-22-2002 4843 4522 163 1:27 $162.50
07-23-2002 5749 5426 139 1:39 $138.00
07-24-2002 5481 5149 164 1:31 $164.00
07-25-2002 4476 4165 122 1:34 $122.00

40500 Uniques - Total earnings $1292

[Theo]

2pac is alive

[playa]

They just ain't paying for the same email from last year

[BlackCrayon]

i think spam is to blame for low email sales. ppl think they will be spammed if they give out their emails to these things. i know ppl who are afraid of being spammed from just visiting porn sites.

[49thParallel]

And this is why I think it keeps getting worse. Judging from the replies to this thread, nobody challenges the dramatic decreases..and simply accepts it as a natural slow down in business.

Another puzzling part of the equation is that my ads are also still the same. Which means that the people clicking on the ads still think they are going to a Free email site. So, the standard arguments just don't hold any water.
Argument 1) If they didn't sign up for the free email site the first time, why would they click on the same ad a second time.
Argument 2) Too much free porn. If they are looking for free porn, why would they not jump at the chance to sign up for a free membership.

[Sly_RJ]

You have been using the same ads for over a year? Ok.

If you're so worried about shaving, setup your own email collection site.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel

Another puzzling part of the equation is that my ads are also still the same. Which means that the people clicking on the ads still think they are going to a Free email site.

translation: I'm too fucking stupid to realize that last years ads need to be updated.





ahahahahahaha, you stupid fuck. using year old ads and globill, its a wonder you can still pay your internet connection.

[SCJason]

Originally posted by 12clicks

translation: I'm too fucking stupid to realize that last years ads need to be updated.





ahahahahahaha, you stupid fuck. using year old ads and globill, its a wonder you can still pay your internet connection.

I have degree in linguistics...........and 12 clicks that translation is perfect.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
And this is why I think it keeps getting worse. Judging from the replies to this thread, nobody challenges the dramatic decreases..and simply accepts it as a natural slow down in business.

ok, your ratios are 5 times worser that last year.
But if you'd send hits to paysites and convert last year at :1300 and now at 1:1500, i'd get worried.

I really think that the amount of spam emails makes ppl not giving away their emails.

The fact that in generall it's getting harder to sell memberships has many reasons ( less new surfers, dubius billing practices, the amount of free porn etc. ) is true and I also think that to many webmasters think they can't do anything about it...

[playa]

i am telling you they won't pay you for the same emails already subscribed too

[Rorschach]

I blame the aliens.

[JamesK]

you need my help

[KRL]

The Hun is building an Ark. Two webmasters from each niche will be allowed on board. Pre-paid reservations are now being accepted.

[wargames]

Business always changes.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by 12clicks

translation: I'm too fucking stupid to realize that last years ads need to be updated.





ahahahahahaha, you stupid fuck. using year old ads and globill, its a wonder you can still pay your internet connection.

damnit damnit damnit
I'm agreeing with 12clicks and saying something positive about Brad Shaw on the same day...

the fucking end times are here.......

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks

translation: I'm too fucking stupid to realize that last years ads need to be updated.





ahahahahahaha, you stupid fuck. using year old ads and globill, its a wonder you can still pay your internet connection.

Good try...but look at the stats, and my description above. The clickthrus related to my overall traffic volume is almost idenetical. I throw less traffic at these ads now, so that is why last year an average of 4,000 clickthrus per day and this year 2,000. So, brainchild, this would indicate that the ads themselves are still resulting in encouraging the surfer to clickthru. The drop in sign-ups is happening on the sponsors end, not mine.

But then again, why bother...why don't I just set up a intrusive trojan on one of my pages, like you do with your stopannoyingpopups.com page, and merrily infect my customers computers with the winpup32.exe trojan. Do you even know how to make an honest dollar?

[PM2]

holy shit...

using same ads? I can show you similar Click cash stats.... 10k a week to 50 bucks over the same time period.... but at least Ill admit im the dumbass as far as that goes....

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel




But then again, why bother...why don't I just set up a intrusive trojan on one of my pages, like you do with your stopannoyingpopups.com page, and merrily infect my customers computers with the winpup32.exe trojan.

most likely because you're too stupid but it could be something else.
lack of traffic, no money, whatever.
hey, I didn't see you in Miami. I guess you were too busy networking with the other paper hats.

[49thParallel]

I give up....if an ad is still encouraging the same amount of people to clickthru...then there is little or no reason to switch. In fact, in this case the opposite is true. I can be assured that my clickthrus are primarily from new unique visitors. The repeat visitors have already seen my ads, and wouldn't click thru a second time. And since they didn't sign-up the first time, what would be the value of tricking them into visiting a second time around.

12Clicks...as always your comments surprise me. You run one of THE must damaging exploit and trojan download popup programs on the net and your Standard Internet home page and general popups haven't changed one iota in at least a couple of years.

At least I stop short of potentially causng unwary surfers considerable inconvenience and malicious damage to their system registries. Remind me again why you think you are a businessman?

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks


most likely because you're too stupid but it could be something else.
lack of traffic, no money, whatever.
hey, I didn't see you in Miami. I guess you were too busy networking with the other paper hats.

Nay, the real important people never show up for those type of events. It's great for a party, but it certainly isn't a MENSA gathering by any stretch.

[12clicks]

hahaha, keep pretending you have a clue.
about my business or about this business.

[JamesK]

hit me up on icq bastard

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks
hahaha, keep pretending you have a clue.
about my business or about this business.

Only clue I need to know is located on virtually every security site, virus advisory board.and other industry watchdog site. You would be hard pressed to NOT find at least one reference to one of the many trojans, exploits, etc that Standard Internet finds necessary to infect surfers computers with.

What's wrong there fella...can't develop a business plan that works without having to resort to malicious and illegal altering of customers' computers. You really are a sad pathetic sack of shit!

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel


Only clue I need to know is located on virtually every security site, virus advisory board.and other industry watchdog site. You would be hard pressed to NOT find at least one reference to one of the many trojans, exploits, etc that Standard Internet finds necessary to infect surfers computers with.

What's wrong there fella...can't develop a business plan that works without having to resort to malicious and illegal altering of customers' computers. You really are a sad pathetic sack of shit!

it sucks eating catfood while your betters eat caviar huh?
you're as clueless about computers and security and what's illegal and what I own as you are about the need to go to the shows.

there's no shame in not being able to afford to go, the shame comes from the rest of the shit that falls out of your mouth.

[SomeCreep]

Porn is dying, you should find other ways to make money.

[Giorgio_Xo]

I make more now than ever. Could it be your content? Do you make a major effort to renew your sites? Are you repeating the same old formula as everyone else?

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks


it sucks eating catfood while your betters eat caviar huh?
you're as clueless about computers and security and what's illegal and what I own as you are about the need to go to the shows.

there's no shame in not being able to afford to go, the shame comes from the rest of the shit that falls out of your mouth.

Always the smokescreen..and always the avoidence of the facts that I continue to dig up on your weak excuse for business smarts. Ron, you are a snake oil sales man. No different then the guys that sell non-existent investments over the phone or any other flimflam operater. Face it, without cheating...you would be NOBODY! (Not a huge difference from now, but you get my point!)

[maxjohan]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
You have been using the same ads for over a year? Ok.

If you're so worried about shaving, setup your own email collection site.

agree

[lyno]

Originally posted by SomeCreep
Porn is dying, you should find other ways to make money.

That´s sad but true. A few month ago a poll here in germany showed that 90% of the germans don´t like porn and 72% even say that porn is something perverted and should be banned.
It´s true... porn is dying

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel


Always the smokescreen..and always the avoidence of the facts that I continue to dig up on your weak excuse for business smarts. Ron, you are a snake oil sales man. No different then the guys that sell non-existent investments over the phone or any other flimflam operater. Face it, without cheating...you would be NOBODY! (Not a huge difference from now, but you get my point!)

yes, without my smokescreen, the ftc wouldn't have laughed you off the phone when you called them. without my smokescreen I wouldn't own one of the largest privately held online advertising companies on the net. without my smokescreen, I wouldn't be doing business with just about everyone who's anyone. Without my smokescreen you wouldn't be held down in that one room apartment, bitter at your inability to make a living in the easiest business in the world.

shit, there's just nothing on the keyboard to express derisive laughter to the extend I'm doing it.

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks


yes, without my smokescreen, the ftc wouldn't have laughed you off the phone when you called them. without my smokescreen I wouldn't own one of the largest privately held online advertising companies on the net. without my smokescreen, I wouldn't be doing business with just about everyone who's anyone. Without my smokescreen you wouldn't be held down in that one room apartment, bitter at your inability to make a living in the easiest business in the world.

shit, there's just nothing on the keyboard to express derisive laughter to the extend I'm doing it.

Long description Ron...here's the condensed version...I can not succeed without tricking the consumer into thinking they are being offered one thing, when they are getting something quite different. Like a popup killer that actually causes more popups then it could ever kill. My business model is built on fraud, deceit and harmfully interfering with system registries everywhere.

Any dodo could match your success. It would take a intelligent man to match your success, while paracticing acceptable business practices.

Ron, I've said it before...you are the garbage of the industry...and nothing else. Be proud!

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel


Long description Ron...here's the condensed version...I can not succeed without tricking the consumer into thinking they are being offered one thing, when they are getting something quite different. Like a popup killer that actually causes more popups then it could ever kill. My business model is built on fraud, deceit and harmfully interfering with system registries everywhere.

Any dod could match your success. It would take a intelligent man to match your success, while paracticing acceptable business practices.

Ron, I've said it agian...you are the garbage of the industry...and nothing else. Be proud!

well, the rest of the industry thinks otherwise. of course, you know better than them. Thats why you've met with such success.
ahahahahahahaha
let's pick this up in the morning during normal business hours. oh right, this isn't your normal business.
oh well, see you in the morning any way.

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks


well, the rest of the industry thinks otherwise. of course, you know better than them. Thats why you've met with such success.
ahahahahahahaha
let's pick this up in the morning during normal business hours. oh right, this isn't your normal business.
oh well, see you in the morning any way.

To solve your long time wondering what the hell it is I do. Go back in history awhile. You will find direct references to what I do. And you are right, this is certainly not my only source of income. I have successes in mainstream and adult. But then again, in your twisted logic, this would seem to be a detrament.

And I have no doubt that others in this industry side with you and your success. Have you ever read any of the posts on this board. Most of these people I wouldn't allow to live in my city never mind in my neighborhood. So, glowing character references they are not.

What I do know is that for the members of an ethical mainstream world, you business practices are simply fraudelent and malicious. On this board you may have your flunkies..but come out to where the real men play and you are a sad little scamming putz.

[hybrid]

but come out to where the real men play

*in my sexiest voice* And where would that be, big boy?

[FUCKuPAYme]

Originally posted by 49thParallel


Only clue I need to know is located on virtually every security site, virus advisory board.and other industry watchdog site. You would be hard pressed to NOT find at least one reference to one of the many trojans, exploits, etc that Standard Internet finds necessary to infect surfers computers with.

What's wrong there fella...can't develop a business plan that works without having to resort to malicious and illegal altering of customers' computers. You really are a sad pathetic sack of shit!

Ouch

[FUCKuPAYme]

Originally posted by 12clicks


yes, without my smokescreen, the ftc wouldn't have laughed you off the phone when you called them. without my smokescreen I wouldn't own one of the largest privately held online advertising companies on the net. without my smokescreen, I wouldn't be doing business with just about everyone who's anyone. Without my smokescreen you wouldn't be held down in that one room apartment, bitter at your inability to make a living in the easiest business in the world.

shit, there's just nothing on the keyboard to express derisive laughter to the extend I'm doing it.

Ouch

When are we going to have a smiley eating popcorn

[cluck]

Wow I haven't been around for a while and things still haven't changed.

Let's discuss the free e-mail programs. A year ago it was a (reasonably) fresh concept that not quite so many people were pushing. There had been e-mail programs before but weg, freezinebucks and the like have been making it look like you could get access to 40 paysites for free. Have you ever actually signed up to peek at the members area? There isn't jack shit there but alot of sponsor links. Not only that, but the e-mails never stop.

So for $1 you've converted a freeloading surfer into:
1) Someone who gave out his e-mail address for essentially nothing but some sponsor links and a truckload of spam.
2) A surfer who will give up on the "free sign up" shit and possibly break down and pay for their niche.
3) Someone to tell all their friends to not sign up for that shit.

Not to mention the fact that everyone's been bombarded with ads for the same sites already, it's lost the "WOW GREAT DEAL" appeal.


Now as far as 12clicks goes, where is this illegal material you speak of? Spyware is an accepted and widely used marketing strategy(KaZaA or Gator anyone?). I delete that shit off my computer all the time, but I realize the money making potential. Check out the top ranked Alexa sites and see how many of them get their traffic from spyware.

[Suckitbitch]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
And this is why I think it keeps getting worse. Judging from the replies to this thread, nobody challenges the dramatic decreases..and simply accepts it as a natural slow down in business.

The key is to keep jumping programs. Just because it was hot last year doesn't mean its going to be worth shit this year, even if you are sending the same traffic.

Program isn't new anymore, surfer has seen it a million times, there are better programs and sites to push, plus you are likely being shaved as the program operator regrets paying out so much to you last year.

[Zgirl]

I decided to compare some month to month conversions for one of the free type email programs I have been promoting for some time. I won't mention which one ....

--------------------------------------------

I know what sponsor you are promoting ... it's CE !! fuck them
try a new sponsor (Adultplex, Adultfriendfinder, FreeTicketCash) ... you will see you will make money again

[SkyWalker]

Too much out there, and gets worse every day.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel


To solve your long time wondering what the hell it is I do. Go back in history awhile. You will find direct references to what I do.

what are the odds that I think the 5 minutes it would take to find out is worth it?

Originally posted by 49thParallel
And you are right, this is certainly not my only source of income.

the obvious. you're not bright enough to do this full time.

Originally posted by 49thParallel
I have successes in mainstream and adult. But then again, in your twisted logic, this would seem to be a detrament.

I suppose where you're from being able to hold down a job is considered a success.

Originally posted by 49thParallel
And I have no doubt that others in this industry side with you and your success. Have you ever read any of the posts on this board. Most of these people I wouldn't allow to live in my city never mind in my neighborhood. So, glowing character references they are not.

hahaha, simpleton. Most of the people I do business with don't post here.

Originally posted by 49thParallel
What I do know is that for the members of an ethical mainstream world, you business practices are simply fraudelent and malicious.

ah, here we go with what you *know*
ahahahahaha, that's why the guy at the FTC laughed in your face when you called. What you think you *know* is just the mental delusions of a socially inept recluse with a keyboard.

Originally posted by 49thParallel
On this board you may have your flunkies..but come out to where the real men play and you are a sad little scamming putz.

son, I make more in mainstream in a day then you make in a year. The voices in your head may tell you you're right, but no one else will.