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Is it true that Acadia cannot touch you if you serve MPG files?

07-25-2003, 09:41 PM

Is it true that they are suing those using streaming video. I see the words streaming video in thier claims all the time.

MPG is a format that is designed for download. Since the beginning before streaming codecs were derived.

So does that mean that if you serve MPG files to your subscribers you will never have to pay Acadia a thing?

What are they going to do? Come at you with a patent on downloading? Or FTP?

I think that to serve only MPG is a clean way out of this mess?

What do you think?
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07-25-2003, 09:44 PM

I thought they could come after you even if you zipped the files???

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07-25-2003, 09:45 PM

for sure!!!
it dosnt take much time to convert AVI to MPG
and there we go, problem solved! (if that is the case)
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07-25-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by KCat
I thought they could come after you even if you zipped the files???

that just ruins it all
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07-25-2003, 09:45 PM

No, duh.

I guess you got unbanned.
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07-25-2003, 09:46 PM

Quiet got served by them and aren't all his sites running only mpegs???

Also mpegs stream quite nicely on broadband if the size is right. They play as there downloading just like wmv's.

I also read somewhere on gfy that Acacia are going after every form of downloading movies. Maybe its like its streamed to your computer in data packets and then when its finished streaming fully then you can play it.

who knows, but best of luck to the boys and girls who are fighting this.

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07-25-2003, 09:48 PM

The only way around Acacia is for them to get beat in court. Are all these people trying to skirt the Acacia patent globill webmasters??

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07-25-2003, 09:49 PM

No.

My brothers girlfriends cousin invented MPG technology, and when he was high one night, he gave me his rights to it all.

I'm gonna need a check in the mail, OK?

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07-25-2003, 09:50 PM

i've read and read and reread their patents.
half the stuff they claim is theirs isnt....but it's up to a court to decide.

personally, i feel ive found enough prior art evidence to prove the patents dont hold water....but again, it's up to the courts.
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07-25-2003, 09:50 PM

BUt that is my point. MPG is not a streaming format. They claim to have some patent on streaming formats. Most of these formats need a streaming server. Probably all of them.

To serve MPG you do not need a streaming server. Just a hypertext link and you are off. What will Acadia do next? Sue everyone who ever used a hyperlink.

Yea, there I have it. I am going to sue anyone who used a hypertext link. I have a patent on that and I want on one hundredth of a percentage for every click.

I think that if you have MPG you are much safer from this kind of litigation.
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07-25-2003, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
No.

My brothers girlfriends cousin invented MPG technology, and when he was high one night, he gave me his rights to it all.

I'm gonna need a check in the mail, OK?

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Can you imagine if that actually happened? whoa...hahah.

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07-25-2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
BUt that is my point. MPG is not a streaming format. They claim to have some patent on streaming formats. Most of these formats need a streaming server. Probably all of them.

To serve MPG you do not need a streaming server. Just a hypertext link and you are off. What will Acadia do next? Sue everyone who ever used a hyperlink.

Yea, there I have it. I am going to sue anyone who used a hypertext link. I have a patent on that and I want on one hundredth of a percentage for every click.

I think that if you have MPG you are much safer from this kind of litigation.

Actually, that is an interesting point.....

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07-25-2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by p00p

Can you imagine if that actually happened? whoa...hahah.

I know huh. Be like, KACHINGGG, LOL

But, isn't that basically what they're claiming. They only bought some broad reaching obscure patent. "They" didn't invent shit.

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07-25-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic

I know huh. Be like, KACHINGGG, LOL

But, isn't that basically what they're claiming. They only bought some broad reaching obscure patent. "They" didn't invent shit.

What scares me is if someone claimed patent on fonts. Arial, comic sans ms, verdana etc....

Acacia doesn't worry me. It's just a shame so many people will have to spend so much money defending themselves against a non issue.

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07-25-2003, 10:05 PM

SCREW THIS SPECULATION SHIT!

Bob Berman's email address is at the top of 'the letter'. Has anyone in here actually used it to ask HIM these questions? I have been SO CLOSE to emailing him and asking him to explain all his legal mumbo jombo. Problem is I can't get past the first line.

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07-25-2003, 10:07 PM

From the points made in this article:

http://www.hightech-iplaw.com/leswibar2003.pdf

I have some numbers for you....

76% of all patent infringement suits settle without trial

Average of $1 million in legal fees & court costs after going through discovery

Defending against a claim of patent ingringement is gonna run you about $1.5 million.

Oh ya, if you do end up going to trial and you lose - you can be assested penalties and all of the legal fees for both sides. Of course if they lose, they pay your legal fees.

They are banking on the fact that many will not be able to afford this and just pay the licensing fees. It is often times a lot cheaper for people to settle and buy the license than it is for people to fight it.

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07-25-2003, 10:09 PM

What scares me is if someone claimed patent on fonts. Arial, comic sans ms, verdana etc....

This is just the beginning. We're in a fight for the internet. There's even a company cl;aiming they own a patent on frame technology. If your site uses frame you may have to pay them a royalty.

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07-25-2003, 10:09 PM

You guys & gals should really try to understand this...

Acacia apparently has a clause in their licensing that if their patent is invalidated you agree to continue paying them.
[I saw the Acacia packet online earlier... someone care to point this clause out?]

Supposedly they are trying to double, triple & quadruple dip on down the chain of people they request license the technology

ie:
(1) Content provider/server
(2) Paysite Operator
(3) Paysites Affiliates
(4) TGP's and other ad sources linking to affiliates galleries.

All four being asked to pay them for same piece of content.

And I'm sure if they had a big list of your members they would probably try to go after them too

Look at this companies track record.

Does it seem like they are playing fair?

Does it seem like they are trying to build long lasting business relationships with us?

If thats the case, where are they?

They are obviously aware how large this forum is....

Acacia, want to appear more legitimate to this crowd? Come say hello and address some questions, dispell some rumors.

Maybe some of that will happen on Tuesday.

Until a judge tells them what they can and can't do, assume they will come after you for anything. Assume they are claiming everything (the adult industy does with video/audio) is covered by their patents - because they haven't been very specific about it yet as far as I can tell.

But I have a feeling if you think hiding behind .MPG is going to save you, you're in for a rude awakening. I could be wrong, but my bet is they won't roll over and disappear if you tell them "Sorry guys, I've used MPEG this whole time! You've got nothin!".

They'll probably just laugh and push the papers on through the system as planned.

But the patents being justly invalidated - that's what will save you & everyone else.
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07-25-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by boobmaster

There's even a company cl;aiming they own a patent on frame technology. If your site uses frame you may have to pay them a royalty.

I've always hated frames. Never used them.

Now I have even more reason not to.
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07-25-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
MPG is not a streaming format.

Yes it is.
And you should know that.

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07-25-2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by p00p
The only way around Acacia is for them to get beat in court. Are all these people trying to skirt the Acacia patent globill webmasters??

Hey poophead

Alot of us had globill a few years before this visa incident so

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07-25-2003, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Is it true that they are suing those using streaming video. I see the words streaming video in thier claims all the time.

MPG is a format that is designed for download. Since the beginning before streaming codecs were derived.

So does that mean that if you serve MPG files to your subscribers you will never have to pay Acadia a thing?

What are they going to do? Come at you with a patent on downloading? Or FTP?

I think that to serve only MPG is a clean way out of this mess?

What do you think?

I heard that if you use "Super MPEGS" that you are in the clear.
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07-25-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by p00p

What scares me is if someone claimed patent on fonts. Arial, comic sans ms, verdana etc....

Acacia doesn't worry me. It's just a shame so many people will have to spend so much money defending themselves against a non issue.

Then give to the cause.

I'm in Czech and unless they go for Visa or upstream server I'm safe. But I am fighting these guys alongside those who are vunerable.

Everyone bands together we will win this and send out a very powerful message to the authorities,

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07-25-2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Hey poophead

Alot of us had globill a few years before this visa incident so

I think he assumes people who used globill were newbs, well I know "newbs" that lost 50k + today in rebills and arent too happy, fortunately I was only with globill a month and only lost a 10th of that.
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07-25-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Flow
From the points made in this article:

http://www.hightech-iplaw.com/leswibar2003.pdf

I have some numbers for you....

76% of all patent infringement suits settle without trial

Average of $1 million in legal fees & court costs after going through discovery

Defending against a claim of patent ingringement is gonna run you about $1.5 million.

Oh ya, if you do end up going to trial and you lose - you can be assested penalties and all of the legal fees for both sides. Of course if they lose, they pay your legal fees.

They are banking on the fact that many will not be able to afford this and just pay the licensing fees. It is often times a lot cheaper for people to settle and buy the license than it is for people to fight it.

Flow

You got it wrong. If they lose you do not get them to pay your legal fees. They have the license it was granted by the US Patent office.

If it can be proved they knew it was invalid and were running a legal scam it might be possible to sue them for harassment or restricting business.

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07-25-2003, 10:44 PM

Sobe, you're spreading misinformation (again)!

Here's the abstract of United States Patent Nº 5,132,992
Audio and video transmission and receiving system:

A system of distributing video and/or audio information employs digital signal processing to achieve high rates of data compression. The compressed and encoded audio and/or video information is sent over standard telephone, cable or satellite broadcast channels to a receiver specified by a subscriber of the service, preferably in less than real time, for later playback and optional recording on standard audio and/or video tape.

Do you still think MPEG's are exempt?

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07-25-2003, 10:45 PM

this guy wasnt banned for long thats sure.
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07-25-2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

I think he assumes people who used globill were newbs, well I know "newbs" that lost 50k + today in rebills and arent too happy, fortunately I was only with globill a month and only lost a 10th of that.

You saw it coming dude, and I can only assume you had the money and know how to prevent it. Which wasn't a whole lot.

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07-25-2003, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Hey poophead

Alot of us had globill a few years before this visa incident so

And you had a few years to SEE THE LIGHT.
You get what you deserve.

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07-25-2003, 11:04 PM

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07-25-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by p00p

You saw it coming dude, and I can only assume you had the money and know how to prevent it. Which wasn't a whole lot.

True, I am going to miss globill for the phone members. I will get a real processor shortly and have to start building affiliate software from the ground up again!
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07-25-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by goBigtime
Acacia apparently has a clause in their licensing that if their patent is invalidated you agree to continue paying them.
[I saw the Acacia packet online earlier... someone care to point this clause out?]

Just wondering.. when you license the patents, are they licensed to your company? What if you started up a new company, sell everything from your old company to your new company for like a $1 and then shut down the old company?
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07-25-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

True, I am going to miss globill for the phone members. I will get a real processor shortly and have to start building affiliate software from the ground up again!

CCbill and Jettis.
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07-25-2003, 11:33 PM

And BTW Sobe, it's "Acacia" NOT "Acadia"!
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07-26-2003, 12:33 AM

Maybe Mpeg1 and Mpeg2 were not designed to stream, it's still possible to stream them. If your connection is fast enough you can just click on a mpeg and choose open instead of save and it will stream right into your WMP.
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07-26-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Konda
Maybe Mpeg1 and Mpeg2 were not designed to stream, it's still possible to stream them. If your connection is fast enough you can just click on a mpeg and choose open instead of save and it will stream right into your WMP.

mpeg was designed to do many things.

but even before mpeg a format was designed for streaming. a little research on mpeg can point people in the right direction for that one.
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07-26-2003, 12:55 AM

What if you have a corporation setup in a offshore tax haven like Nevis and Vanuatu. Can these guys really touch you with their patent suit?

From what I read, it is difficult to sue an offshore corporation if it does not do business in a region that allows it to easily be sued for patent infringement.

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07-26-2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by AaronM

I heard that if you use "Super MPEGS" that you are in the clear.

Muahahhahahhhhahahahahhhhahahh...............

This is how Eric operates ...... he's trying to convince himself that he is not vulnerable to Acacia just as he convinced himself that it was ok to sell JoeAMA's content for $5 a video.

Ok Eric, so you will sleep better, MPEGs are not covered in Acacia's patent. Please disregard anybody who says different. And Aaron is right, if you read their entire patent, not a single word about the SuperMpeg you invented.

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07-26-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
What if you have a corporation setup in a offshore tax haven like Nevis and Vanuatu. Can these guys really touch you with their patent suit?

From what I read, it is difficult to sue an offshore corporation if it does not do business in a region that allows it to easily be sued for patent infringement.

most probably no
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07-26-2003, 01:02 AM

Funny how SOBE appears and MR Movie Disappears.

Like I said , you never actually do see Batman and Bruce Wayne at the same time.

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07-26-2003, 01:08 AM

candidpublishinginc:

What if you have a corporation setup in a offshore tax haven like Nevis and Vanuatu. Can these guys really touch you with their patent suit?

Offshore's do respect copyright laws in so far if you sit and watch the lastest movie on local TV, they don't even take the "Report copies to the FBI" shit off the tapes!

However, Acacia can try and wait 10 years for it to come to court - but hell, the courts are too busy to listen to that shit, hence the 10 year waiting time!

We are offshore and the last thing we are thinking about is some US corp and their claim to rights!

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07-26-2003, 01:12 AM

From what I read, the reason why offshore jursdictions are good for patent lawsuit protection and the like is that it is quite expensive to file a suit there.

Furthermore although I can understand the need for any offshore jurisdiction to recognize international copyright law, is it required to recognize U.S. patent law?

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07-26-2003, 01:28 AM

candidpublishinginc:

From what I read, the reason why offshore jursdictions are good for patent lawsuit protection and the like is that it is quite expensive to file a suit there.

Furthermore although I can understand the need for any offshore jurisdiction to recognize international copyright law, is it required to recognize U.S. patent law?

I can see that they will certainly not give priority to court time on this. But they "usually" recognize international copyright laws. I am not sure if there is some tie with U.S Patent law within this.

No.. this has no hope in hell of being easy - the cost is silly, - it is a criminal offence to divulge the benefical owner of an offshore unless by court order on the basis of money laundering or drug dealing. Any offshore's where we are incorporated would not issue an order on the basis of some copyright/patent infringement allegation.

There was an instance of a $15million fraud case committed in another country. This country sent a team of law enforcement officers and lawyers to hopefully extradict the alledged perpitrator. They failed and went home.

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07-26-2003, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Webby
I can see that they will certainly not give priority to court time on this. But they "usually" recognize international copyright laws. I am not sure if there is some tie with U.S Patent law within this.

I don't think this is the case with patent law, but I may be wrong.

International copyright law covers the bare minimum of copyright. Plus patents and trademarks are sort of a seperate category over a traditional copyright.

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07-26-2003, 01:59 AM

From a dumb point of view. If you are using server managed by 3rd party, personally you aren't sending anything, you don't own anything. You are legally using 3rd party services - who should be liable for patent infrigement then?

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07-26-2003, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by goBigtime
You guys & gals should really try to understand this...

Acacia apparently has a clause in their licensing that if their patent is invalidated you agree to continue paying them.
[I saw the Acacia packet online earlier... someone care to point this clause out?]

As was mentioned on D$'s show the other night...

The contract is based on patent infringement, so if the courts decide there is no infringement taking place, then the contract would be void in its entirety.. but you'd probably have to take it to court again to get them off of your back, but.. this then becomes 'contract law'.

They've thrown that little clause in there to make it as hard as they can on people to get matters cleared up..

If one issue gets thrown out.. ya now have to go get yet another bit of nonsense thrown out.
This could very well be construed as harrassment..
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07-26-2003, 06:29 AM

The real sad fact here is that America is such a litigious society and it is easy to sue anyone all you need is some money.

I still believe that if you serve MPG files you will have a better chance of getting out of a suit thrown at you by Acadia then if you serve WMV or ASF or other Real files.

I think that if I my lawyer told a judge, explained him the difference between the files and how MPG does not need a streaming server, the judge would throw the thing out of court.

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07-26-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
The real sad fact here is that America is such a litigious society and it is easy to sue anyone all you need is some money.

I still believe that if you serve MPG files you will have a better chance of getting out of a suit thrown at you by Acadia then if you serve WMV or ASF or other Real files.

I think that if I my lawyer told a judge, explained him the difference between the files and how MPG does not need a streaming server, the judge would throw the thing out of court.

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07-26-2003, 06:38 AM

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07-26-2003, 06:44 AM

I believe that MPG thing to be true..

Hey FatPud, Did SCORE group fire you? You dont have their sig anymore.
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