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wimpy · 07-23-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Take a simple process and complicate the fuck out of it. Send someone that just spent $30 on a membership off into some site to get completely lost and forget what the URL is of the site they just joined, so now they can't even find the porn they paid for.

Exactly my thoughts. It's called "poor website usability" and it will increase chargebacks.

MC is doing this because it "looks" like other brick and mortar models of doing business, but it's not. This was decided by some idiot who doesn't understand the web.

This turns CCBill into something like a huge AVS system: surfers are sent there to be billed, a % will get lost in the shopping area (thus the system has traffic), where they will buy memberships to other sites (yours). If done right it will increase sales overall, but it will also increase chargebacks for reasons stated above.

Overall, this sucks.

Kimmykim · 07-23-2003, 09:25 PM

What I think some of you fail to realize is that the surfer doesn't get to the 'mall' with CCBill until they've made their purchase, unlike another system apparently...

Snake Doctor · 07-23-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
What I think some of you fail to realize is that the surfer doesn't get to the 'mall' with CCBill until they've made their purchase, unlike another system apparently...

Yes at least with CCbill the first purchase is final before they're presented with other options.

With the "other guy's system" the first purchase is put in a shopping cart while they browse around for other stuff.
Then when they check out they can clear the first item from the cart and just buy the second one.

Traffic leak? That's a fucking submarine.

Rick Latona · 07-23-2003, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

Yes at least with CCbill the first purchase is final before they're presented with other options.

With the "other guy's system" the first purchase is put in a shopping cart while they browse around for other stuff.
Then when they check out they can clear the first item from the cart and just buy the second one.

Traffic leak? That's a fucking submarine.

This clearly is the most important point. If the IPSP doesn't complete the sale before moving to the cart, the solution sucks and it will cost you business. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter that much.

tony286 · 07-23-2003, 10:05 PM

Well folks there is another option drop MC , remember when the Visa $750 thing came up. They said you cant just have MC, most charges on the net are done by Visa. So if thats the case, the MC option maybe isnt needed .When I think about it in my wallet I have 3 visa's, two mc's and a checking account. If I was a surfer without the MC option I have lots of choices how to pay. Also as stated by Ron in a earlier post the third party billers had a option to have their clients register with MC for $1500. I dont know about you but thats what I was hoping for and I am curious why the big 3 didnt come to their clients and let them know whats happening. I see this mall becoming a charge back nightmare. I love this business been in it for almost 4 yrs and everyday its becoming less and less fun. Also if a surfer gets fucked joining some other site while joining mine. He wont say the third party processor fucked him or the other site for that matter, he will say my site fucked him because I brought him there and people keep forgeting surfers arent smart.

NETbilling · 07-23-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
Well folks there is another option drop MC , remember when the Visa $750 thing came up. They said you cant just have MC, most charges on the net are done by Visa. So if thats the case, the MC option maybe isnt needed .When I think about it in my wallet I have 3 visa's, two mc's and a checking account. If I was a surfer without the MC option I have lots of choices how to pay. Also as stated by Ron in a earlier post the third party billers had a option to have their clients register with MC for $1500. I dont know about you but thats what I was hoping for and I am curious why the big 3 didnt come to their clients and let them know whats happening. I see this mall becoming a charge back nightmare. I love this business been in it for almost 4 yrs and everyday its becoming less and less fun. Also if a surfer gets fucked joining some other site while joining mine. He wont say the third party processor fucked him or the other site for that matter, he will say my site fucked him because I brought him there and people keep forgeting surfers arent smart.

Tony,

The $1500 fee for the regisatation covers the Visa and Mastercard first year fee. This is for having your own merchant account. I know CCbill is on top of it and will always offer the best options for their business model and clients. They have always been in compliance.

Mitch

tony286 · 07-23-2003, 10:32 PM

He said

2. Register every customer like Paypal and pay $1500 each

PR_Dave · 07-23-2003, 10:47 PM

NETbilling · 07-23-2003, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
He said

2. Register every customer like Paypal and pay $1500 each

On the merchant account/gateway side, the Visa registration is $500 and Mastercard is $1000.

Mitch

corvette · 07-24-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by netbilling
I know CCbill is on top of it and will always offer the best options for their business model and clients. They have always been in compliance.

Thanks Mitch

woodman · 07-24-2003, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
What I think some of you fail to realize is that the surfer doesn't get to the 'mall' with CCBill until they've made their purchase, unlike another system apparently...

Everyone is going to have to play by the same rules. The other system does not require that the surfer continue shopping, it just gives them the option or they can go straight to checkout.

The reality is that both companies that have announced MC changes will tweak their system based on what MC will let them do and what is working for the the other guy. IMO, they will look very similiar in the near future.

Allister · 07-24-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

you really sent them that message ?
LOL, I don't think you'll get a reply...
You had said that they steal your ( our ) traffic...

Yessir - I said that. So far as I read that CCBill thing, I lose control of the traffic that has deservedley been earned. I believe in quality traffic and they are not only stealing it but polluting the traffic environment.

I went looking for MCs terms of service and such on their website - but I couldn't find anything.

Whoever did reply gave me a genero response and a 3 letter sig. If MasterCard can't be honest and open, even for their $4/hr. help, then there is a huge problem.

I suppose they aren't held accountable by anyone anyway

Cheers,
/Allister

polish_aristocrat · 07-25-2003, 01:48 AM

but what did they reply ?

07-23-2003, 10:05 PM	#106
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Well folks there is another option drop MC , remember when the Visa $750 thing came up. They said you cant just have MC, most charges on the net are done by Visa. So if thats the case, the MC option maybe isnt needed .When I think about it in my wallet I have 3 visa's, two mc's and a checking account. If I was a surfer without the MC option I have lots of choices how to pay. Also as stated by Ron in a earlier post the third party billers had a option to have their clients register with MC for $1500. I dont know about you but thats what I was hoping for and I am curious why the big 3 didnt come to their clients and let them know whats happening. I see this mall becoming a charge back nightmare. I love this business been in it for almost 4 yrs and everyday its becoming less and less fun. Also if a surfer gets fucked joining some other site while joining mine. He wont say the third party processor fucked him or the other site for that matter, he will say my site fucked him because I brought him there and people keep forgeting surfers arent smart. Last edited by tony299; 07-23-2003 at 10:09 PM..

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Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	What I think some of you fail to realize is that the surfer doesn't get to the 'mall' with CCBill until they've made their purchase, unlike another system apparently...

07-23-2003, 10:32 PM	#108
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	He said 2. Register every customer like Paypal and pay $1500 each