Agreed :glugglug

You're so thoughtful not to upset the French that way.

Now go back and eat your freedom fries!:winkwink:

fuck france... I couldn't care less about those assholes. I'm just sick and tired of everyone whining everytime we do something.... so, obviously the best policy is to do nothing. Fuck it. Let these shitass countries fend for themselves.

Screw all that shit!

Nobody can rely on the US for one Freedom Fry!

Can you name one thing that US has done this century so far that has done any good to either the US population or any benefit to any other nation???

So far all they managed to do is fuck up Afghanistan and same with Iraq.

Yet.. at the same time we have some on this thread who consider the US is doing the world a favor??? DUH?? :1orglaugh

What about the women in Afghanistan that NOW have the freedom to show their faces? Isn't that one good thing? Oh, being able to see doctors, HELLO!!

The U.S. has helped to contain communist invasions all over the world, what more can the world ask for??

"Can you name one thing that US has done this century so far that has done any good to either the US population or any benefit to any other nation???"


The Internet.
Single handedly the best Invasionary weapon there is, a weapon that shows people what freedom of thought is about.

the USA is heaven, and george bush is god. GB4L

The internet itself isn't very much without the world wide web (WWW).

DUH??? Is that why 1000's ended up dead, the country now left in a worse condition than it was originally and is now governed, half by a puppet US leadership and half by "warlords" who are still backed by the US and now run a business producing about 75% of the world's heroin?

Sorry... but nice to see a reduction in the Taliban, but the "benefits" of US adventures don't quite square up with those who live there.

Any other good things the US has done "sucessfully"??

Is that what it was doing?? :1orglaugh Communist invasions eh?

One again the question is... Can you name one thing that US has done this century so far that has done any good to either the US population or any benefit to any other nation???

Three years is a pretty narrow window to give when you're expecting great changes... don't you think?

People have freedom of thought... that has been around a long time before anyone heard of the US or the Internet... :1orglaugh

No.. considering the damage that has been done , the 1000's of deaths, upheaval and billions in money dissipated in these three years... it is not unfair to think that there should be *some* benefit??

No, people do not have freedom of thought, especially us Americans. You have argued that point many, many times. Remember? We're sheep.

DUH? You don't have freedom of thought either? The rest of the world does. I don't know if you are a "sheep" or not - that all depends on your choice to use your freedom of thought.

And... No.. I have not argued any such crap about "Americans have no freedom of thought". Everyone does unless they, for example, choose to rely on CNN :1orglaugh

The original question was... Can you name one thing that US has done this century so far that has done any good to either the US population or any benefit to any other nation???

OK.. I'll assume it has actually done nothing so far till *anyone* can think of something valid.

In the meantime, all the BS about how great the US is and the sun shines outta its ass is meaningless. If I did that amount of "boasting" about my country of citizenship, they'd think I was mad.

Credit for one thing.. "some" US people got a tax rebate - thanks to Bush... suppose you could say that is something! :winkwink:

Sounds like a severe case of penis envy, Webby

Na I gave up the my-dick-is-bigger centuries ago! :winkwink:
I realised there was more to the world than dick size and envy - and I sure don't envy much in the US!

Looks like you can't think of much the US has done to benefit it's citizens or any other nation either?

Umm..umm..well..let me think..oh yeah..I know a couple of things!!
Someone got rid of Jimmy Hoffa!
'course the mob probably did that so the gov can't take credit for that.


oh..geez..there must be something..
I know.....MTV!! Where any child entering puberty can learn all the facts of life from one station!

Let's see the French top that!!:1orglaugh

Oh hell.. this is getting bad! :winkwink:

So nobody so far can come up with one single thing that US has done this century so far that has done any good to either the US population or any benefit to any other nation??? :1orglaugh

Sheesh!

your question is absurd and I can only imagine you haven't gotten a serious reply due to the sheer idiocy of it.

Being serious now, and I think this was crucial, especially at the beginning of the cold war.

And I'm talking about the Berlin Blockade back in 1948. Now I wasn't around then, but from everything I've read, it was perhaps the defining point in the cold war of how the U.S. would not be intimidated by the Ruskies.

In addition, we fed VERY hungry people in what was then West Berlin. PLUS, we kept West Berlin (and West Germany) out of the Ruskie hands.

EVERYONE benefited from that..except the Ruskies.

There is tons of stuff, but for some reason, this one popped into my head and I decided to go with it.

I think having JFK in the White House in the October 1962 Cuban Missile crisis was also a blessing. I SHUDDER to think of what some idiot like G.W. would have done had he been prez then!

And godbless Bobby Kennedy! (I'll save any specifics on that one till another time. grin)

Of course it would be absurd... that is the standard method of defence - attack the basis. :1orglaugh

So still no answer to *anything* the US has done this century to benefit US citizens or anyone else?

The question is *very* simple - since there are many "claims", but bottom like is - what exactly have the US Admin done???

Ok..here's something that WASN'T political, and that was the eradication of small pox world wide!

Now the irony is that we're afraid of this disease being used against us!

Centurion:

OK! Don't have to be political! Anything will do! :winkwink:

But how did the US eradicate smallpox world wide? :)

And if they can lay claim to that, tis worth half point cos that did not happen this century!

So far we got:

1. Tax cut to some US citizens.
2. Maybe some claim to eradication of smallpox....??

"we"
"us"
"them"

this is the sort of shit that keeps us killing each other at the command of others. bad bad bad.

"We" are "good"... "Us" are "superior"... "them" are the demons from "shit countries" who need to be nuked.

And yup! Bad! :thumbsup

Webby,

Too easy!

The US has spearheaded a worldwide campaign against terrorism which has caused a disruption of terrorist operations and lead to the seizing of funds and arrest of many of the top al Qaeda operatives.

The US is involved is in and leading anti-terrorism measures all over the globe including having formed joint anti-terrorism working groups with many governments including Pakistan and Russia. I?m sure if you do a little research you will find more and note the tremendous resources the US government is putting into the disruption of terrorism and especially terrorist organizations.

The US Department of State publishes an annual terrorism report. Last year's report shows that terrorist attacks worldwide decreased more than 40% last year and
there were less terrorist attacks worldwide than since 1979.

You have to be a pretty twisted fella to try and twist this great good around but I'm sure you will try. What will it be? The report is unreliable? It's only 2003, wait a few years? Less terrorism is not good for the world?

Colin:

OK!! That's a good start.. the best yet! :thumbsup

There are obviously good elements to that - the slight problem with it is:

(a) it involved the killing of many thousands of innocent people - many thousands more than the 9/11 casualties.

(b) it caused, and is still causing, great hardship to 1000's more.

(c) it totally screwed any international standing of the US.

(d) it cost the US billions of taxpayers money.

(e) it killed US troops and still does, - decimating their families.

(f) it was based on .. most likely lies, but certainly half truths.

(g) it destroyed the countries involved and left a void for far greater problems than those that existed in the first instance.

Na.. could go on! Back to the bottom line. There have been successes for sure! However, because a few idiots.. call em "terrorists" are active, does that justify all the deaths and damage??? Al-Queda is not "terminated" - never will be unless their is some mindbending. The Taliban gone? The Iraqi people like this "liberation"? It is becoming clearer each day they were better off under Saddam.

It is also not that hard to see there are other motives involved in this "war against terrorism" - I doubt it would get the support if there was not a "hoped" monitory benefit in the end.

BUT... yep.. in the middle of this, there have been good elements... so gotta be worth a point!

1. Tax cut to some US citizens.
2. Maybe some claim to eradication of smallpox....??????
3. For the actual successes against terrorism, but maybe 50 points lost for the damage this has caused globally.

True :2 cents:

'Things were better in the bad old days'

December 11 2002 at 04:35PM

By Andrew Quinn

Most South Africans, both black and white, believe the country was better run under apartheid and say unemployment and crime are the government's top challenges, according to two new polls released this week.

The polls, part of the "Afrobarometer" series of public opinion surveys, found South Africans had generally positive assessments of how their country was governed, and were growing increasingly optimistic about the future.

But they also revealed a growing sense of "apartheid nostalgia" as South Africa grapples with high crime rates, increasing corruption and rising joblessness following the end of white rule in 1994.

'They moan and grumble about all its faults'
"It's not that they want to return to apartheid, but in retrospect it was a time when trains ran on time," said poll director Robert Mattes on Wednesday.

"It was a harsh, repressive, but seemingly efficient government."

Overall, the polls showed that about 60 percent of South Africans felt the country was better run under apartheid, ...................

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?news...29B216&set_id=1

Got to agree with Gutterboy on this one!

Sounds like you want to see this happening??? :uhoh

Yes, as I hope it will prove a good example for the West. Perhaps those in Europe can learn from South Africa's example, and realise that Black's cannot manage a first world country! Upon realising, perhaps Europeans will secure their own future by restricting immigration.

If blacks, arabs, and hispanics take rule of the West (which is predicted to happen within 100 years - 50 years in America and Britian) it will be the end of Western Civilisation as we know it. You have to ask yourself; do you think it is a good idea for Europeans to become a minority in Europe? I don't!

Some of it has had a negative impact on US "soft power" and some has had a positive effect on US "soft power". There is cooperation between the US and many countries both informally and formally on terrorism. The US is the leader in anti-terrorism efforts in the world.

Like anything else political, such things will have both negative and positive effects and different people will interpret them as such. It is no surprise that you can find some things negative according to the Wide World of Webby. No doubt an al-Qaeda member would point out some negatives also.

But hell, one point from Webby is like receiving a pardon in the state of Texas. I'll take it and wear it with glowing pride. I must have done something right today to deserve such an honor. :winkwink:

For some of you that probably don't know much about history, it's the U-S and U-K that created alot of problems in Africa, in one way atleast when they redrew a lot of borders, putting traditional enemies into the same border and into a unified nation when there should have been several seperate sovereign states, but i'm sure you really don't give a shit about that :-)

You're slacking, slackologist. ;-)

It was European powers that carved up Africa.

The 19th century colonial powers in Africa included Britian, France, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Italy, Germany, and Spain. Before World War II, there were hardly any independent states in Africa at all. They were all colonies.

Yes it is the White mans fault the Black man cannot succeed. Never forget that!

What will it take? The failure of Zimbabwe was not enough, so how about the failure of South Africa? Will that make you realise? Or perhaps it will take the fall of Amerika, once they have taken control, to make you realise?

I only hope enough people will realise before it is to late. If European nations (like the trend is suggestion) start becoming Islamic, and African majorities, the Great Depression might start looking like a holiday.

heheh.. I know.. but the state those areas were left in was not helpful just the same.

In a way the US is the world's police. Protect and serve America's interest. We watch all the bullshit on the tube that has this nation sooooo fucking brainwashed, all the lies and mind games.
We act if it's in our interests not if it's the right thing to do.

As for the bullshit in Africa, what do you expect, its a nation that has been raped and exploited all through history while the world just stood by and did nothing. Yeah we see "W' over there lately, the media once again is painting a pretty humanitarian picture of him, I guess to save face from the Iraq blunder, but we know there's more to it, but we don't want to think it. He's the President of the United States and he's always right. Wake up people, free your mind you're trapped in the Matrix.

Great post 404, " we, us, them" it's the shit programming the media pushes that has most individuals in this country fucked up mentally. America may be the greatest country from a military and economic standpoint, but what about as a people. The only time I see Americans considering themselves as Americans, not Asian American, African American or whatever is when we're scared or at war.

I saw the documentary Bowling for Columbine yesterday. Things that make you go hmmmm .......

amp, put down the crackpipe. america IS the worlds police, and Gee Dubya is our mayor!

Dear impotent, the US is not interested in the dopey things YOU are interested in.
We don't give a fuck about the people of Afghanistan OR Iraq, we just mouth the words to make the silly little countries you live in go along with what we want.
We decided for our own defense, that it was time to conquer both countries. Mission accomplished.
sorry you don't like it but no one gives a fuck what you like.:winkwink:
kinda like the rest of your life.

I was going to rip your post apart piece by piece but it was easier to just point out 2 of your thoughts in the same post and laugh.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So where's the humor in my post sweetheart? You seem to be the only one laughing.

I can answer that. Because you mention "brainwashed" and "lies" and then mention Bowling for Columbine which is created by Michael Moore who is as partisan as Rush Limbaugh. There is faux footage in the "documentary" which will probably fool a lot of people. Some might even call that "lies".

guilty :)

don't assume someone doesn't have the time to spell it out for you. someone always does. :winkwink:

gotcha sweetheart :)

I have a lot of respect for the US soldiers who put their lives on the line when their country asked them to.. I have 0 fucking respect for the government that needlessly throws those valiant soldiers lives away on things that aren't their concern in the first place. It's like a busybody mother in law.

Respect for soldiers and not for the government. Then you are very similar to most American citizens in that respect. Since the 1950's respect for almost all government institutions in the US has decreased. The military is one exception. The postal service is another. It is actually the 1950s that were high in government trust more than that people trust the government less now. Trust in government institutions was very low during the founding of the country and still very low in the late 1800's (Gilded Age).

Powerful nations have always acted thus. Why do you expect the US to act differently?