Girls Gone Wild..

[maxjohan]

I think they are the genius in this industry for 2000..Girls Gone Wild. Everybody knows about them now, almost like Nike. It's a new niche that no one thought about..that's brilliant

So how did they do it? I haven't seen a tape, is it without sex? right? Then I understand why they are so big..

[maxjohan]

How much do you think they make from those DVDs and VHS tapes..$10 million?

[Asthma]

i think it was more like 500 million

[maxjohan]

ahh..ok. I heard Jennifer Aniston had gave Brad Pitt a girls gone wild tape on there second weddings day..

see it's all about tapes and DVD. People don't giveaway memberships to internet site(anymore?)..absolute not hardcore sites..

[BRISK]

They've been selling the tapes on TV for years. It's not that new.

[maxjohan]

OK, I understand but I don't live in US. When did they get started then?

[BRISK]

Originally posted by maxjohan
OK, I understand but I don't live in US. When did they get started then?

I'd say at least 4 years ago, maybe more.

But they're a little busy right now since they got arrested

http://www.bayso.org/Press%20Releases/04-03-03.htm

[prostock]

maxjohan


maybe you should go and ask him how much time in jail he is probb looking at doing for all the shit he is in right now , and the money he is going to spend to get his ass out of some of the shit he is in and pay all those lawer bills ..


Oh and lets not forget to ask him how if feels to out right know a girl is under age and tell her to lie SO to me that is a CP maker ,
make sure you ask him how that feels as well


also ask him how he feels when he give`s them drugs as well
or how it feels to pay a 17 girl to duck him offf


so for me i not give a FLYING FUCK on his cash or what he has made to be like that and make cash that way fuck it , i rether sleep at nite and know i wasnt making cp shit and talked them into it , and paid a 17 to suck my dick then to have cash


I HOPE GGW BURNS IN HELL PERSONLY <

fuck heads like him is what makes our life in this buissness a living fucking HELL AND has so many people looking at us or LOKING AT US BAD


GGW

[KRL]

On VH1 last week they had a whole show on Joe and his biz. It was quite fascinating.

[afrocreep]

isn't girlsgonewld basically public flashing and crap? I guess he figured no harm done if they were underage showing some titty.. then again maybe he was on drugs when he thought that.


The laws the law, although i personally don't find 16/17 to be CHILD porn, it should be underage porn. what makes me want to personally hunt down and murder slowly is the sick fucks that take KIDS.. CHILDREN like under 10.. under 6. those people need to be killed!

[prostock]

Originally posted by BRISK


I'd say at least 4 years ago, maybe more.

But they're a little busy right now since they got arrested

http://www.bayso.org/Press%20Releases/04-03-03.htm

i keep up on alot of this , that was the first time i saw all there pics , man what alot of loser looking fucks they are , just shows no matter how much cash you are making , if you wasd trash to start you are now just a rich trash looking guy

[BRISK]

Originally posted by prostock



i keep up on alot of this , that was the first time i saw all there pics , man what alot of loser looking fucks they are , just shows no matter how much cash you are making , if you wasd trash to start you are now just a rich trash looking guy

Joe was the son of a millionaire before he started girls gone wild

[fiveyes]

Their business model, which uses a small print notice (barely noticeable in the TV informercials) that you're not buying a GGW video/DVD but are actually subscribing to monthly copies of their offerings has resulted in numerous consumer complaints to the FTC, though I don't know of any investigations of them by that agency. Main thrust of it is that a lot of buyers feel they were trapped, especially when a lot of them experianced difficulty in opting out. There are some that claim they finally had to cancel their credit card to stop the GGW charges.

For those of us that work in that aspect of the industry (I have for nearly ten years now), their marketing strategy was viewed with alarm at first that was soon justified. Everyone felt it was overly aggresssive and would adversely affect everyone else. Sure enough, not only have the girls that attend Mardi Gras and spring break functions gotten more camera shy but our video sales are down because of them. The event tape consumer is more wary now, fearing another fine print trap. And those videos that GGW push so hard to so many are, frankly, not that good.

Also, as prostock pointed out, their recent stupidity in Panama City Beach reflects badly on everyone in the industry. And that was pure and simple stupidity; everything that happened there was after the Bay County sheriff had publically warned them not to come down there to shoot. So they not only chose to ignore his warnings, they proceded to roll tape while they told a juvenile to claim to be over 18 for the camera, offer her money for a sex act and have drugs involved as well. Twenty seven felony charges they're facing, the last I heard, including violation of the RICO Act (though a judge did allow him to get his impounded jet back).

But the absolutely worse thing about them is now having a dozen or more people during an event shoot yelling in your face - "ARE YOU WITH GIRLS GONE WILD!?!" For that, they'll never be forgiven by the rest of us...

[maxjohan]

Maybe the girls just lie to get some $, you never know..


Anyone got a picture of pro, the good looking casanova..?

[prostock]

Originally posted by afrocreep
isn't girlsgonewld basically public flashing and crap? I guess he figured no harm done if they were underage showing some titty.. then again maybe he was on drugs when he thought that.


The laws the law, although i personally don't find 16/17 to be CHILD porn, it should be underage porn. what makes me want to personally hunt down and murder slowly is the sick fucks that take KIDS.. CHILDREN like under 10.. under 6. those people need to be killed!

yes it was mostly flashing and all that crap

but again the fucking guy is like 30 and he is and was breaking a ton of laws and again the lasw says it is cp that is what is it !
people like him make it hell for guys like me
and a 30 fucking guy wanting to have a 16 year show her tits or touch his dick or do drugs with him or them

that to me is a fucking loser fucking skum bag CP maker , any way you look at , and i hope he burns all the way down , fuck him and all his fuck heads that help him ,
and all you there with his tapes and love it , just remember prob hafe those girls are underage , HUMMMMMMmm now think on that , and how would you feel if that was your 16 year old little girl and he was pulling that shit with her

[prostock]

Originally posted by maxjohan
Maybe the girls just lie to get some $, you never know..


Anyone got a picture of pro, the good looking casanova..?

are you not reading what the papers have said and that has been proven , they didnt fucking lie he told them to fucking LIE ,
so lets get off that shit oh the mean girls lied to him and got the poor guy and his company in to this bad problem ,
and again HE SHOULD HAVE A FUCKING BRAIN TO ASK FOR SOME KIND OF FUCKING IDS !!!!!!!!



and are you asking for my pic
is so what the fuck , you want to see cock , sorry i am not into guys

[maxjohan]

No, I have just read that article in this thread..wasn't that the girls stories..? I maybe need a translation..??

The picture, you don't need to post a picture of your cock..head.

[afrocreep]

glad to see ya using the quote feature prostock


anyways, your saying a 30 year old fucking a 18 year old that just turned 18 2 days ago isnt as sick? just curious.

[fiveyes]

He was doing what is known in the industry as "back room scenes". A lot of companies that do event videos include them because, well because they're lazy fucks (they're a lot easier than hassling the crowds for action shots!) and they want to spice up their offerings with something a bit more hardcore than the action you'll find at public events.

There's even a standard "story line" used to transition to the back room (which might well be a motel room back home, for all that). It goes along the line of striking up a conversation with a gal that just flashed who decides those big beads of yours are worth a "private show" back at "her room".

These are completely fictional accounts, usually using their own talent or one from another company (through Mardi Gras, I've watched some producers actually trade talent they've brought along for an hour to do these scenes) but sometimes an actual event participant will be talked into it.

Without exception, every story I've heard of event producers getting into trouble has involved back room scenes. I don't use them because of that but I feel they are questionable filler material. I've always been more concerned with documenting the event as accurately as possible and these scenes aren't any of that.

[Edited to be more PC and not offend anyone. I really don't consider talent to be "bimbos", it just a term that's used a lot to describe these gals.]

[maxjohan]

Ok, he is a scum bag..you don't do things like that to underage girls..but the thing is..why did they go to the motel? Why did two girls shower to get money? Why didn't they leave after the incidents?

Maybe they got forced and pushed..they are still underage. But when you are 16-17 you can think by yourself.

http://www.bayso.org/Press%20Releases/04-03-03.htm

[FATPad]

Originally posted by maxjohan
Ok, he is a scum bag..you don't do things like that to underage girls..but the thing is..why did they go to the motel? Why did two girls shower to get money? Why didn't they leave after the incidents?

Maybe they got forced and pushed..they are still underage. But when you are 16-17 you can think by yourself.

http://www.bayso.org/Press%20Releases/04-03-03.htm

Who cares why they did it?

When you know the chicks are minors you stop dealing with them and tell them to get lost.

Don't be blaming a bunch of kids because some retarded 30 year old did something utterly stupid that he knew he shouldn't have done.

[fiveyes]

Originally posted by FATPad
Who cares why they did it?

When you know the chicks are minors you stop dealing with them and tell them to get lost.

Don't be blaming a bunch of kids because some retarded 30 year old did something utterly stupid that he knew he shouldn't have done.

[loverboy]

sounds interesting, though i haven't seen any of it yet.

[afrocreep]

Originally posted by loverboy
sounds interesting, though i haven't seen any of it yet.

The vid i saw which i think was kinda old.. was hella boring.

[BradShaw]

Looks like the $ went to his head and he bacame reckless. All the $ in the world does no good behind bars when tyrone wants to make you his next bitch.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by afrocreep


The vid i saw which i think was kinda old.. was hella boring.

Yup, very fuckin boring

[Dirty F]

Here we go again...17 yr old girl topless and you guys talk about cp.

Some of you people really have problems. Must be an american thing.

Im happy i live in a country where even tv shows show 17 yr old girls topless on the beach without everybody screaming kiddie porn.

You guys are clueless.

[maxjohan]

Yeah, that's true..if he knew they was miniors..you just see things from one point in that article.



btw, isn't 30/40/50 years olds with a 18 years old retarded too?

say your friend is 50/40 years old and fuck a 20 year old girl? is that sick?

maybe you need to be 19 like me to think that is sick.

I just get sick of some people here on the board 60+ers that post there pics with young chicks..Don't belive you are Moses to women when you are fucking old..

and don't run with your ego..

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Battuss
Here we go again...17 yr old girl topless and you guys talk about cp.

When you give a 16 year old girl drugs and have a 17 year old together and try to pay to claim they are 18 on cam and make out together it becomes a little different. Filming minors have sex or shower together is not flashing ;)

This isnt about 17 year olds flashing. It involves sexual favors for money, drugs, among other things.

Its girls being given drugs, asked to perform sex on cam, then offered money to 'play with his cock or perhaps suck it' thats CHILD PROSTITUTION.

say what you want, Judges dont play when a 16 year old goes crying to mom that some creepy guy got her and her friend loaded in a hotel, got them to lie on camera to say they were 18 and then have them do nasty things toghether.

Again, this isnt about some 17 year old flashing tits, if that was the case, he wouldnt hjave been arrested for all the OTHER things he was.

Did any of you even read the article or do you just run your mouth to hear it?

the guy deserves time.

period.

[Dirty F]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


When you give a 16 year old girl drugs and have a 17 year old together and try to pay to claim they are 18 on cam and make out together it becomes a little different. Filming minors have sex or shower together is not flashing ;)

This isnt about 17 year olds flashing. It involves sexual favors for money, drugs, among other things.

Its girls being given drugs, asked to perform sex on cam, then offered money to 'play with his cock or perhaps suck it' thats CHILD PROSTITUTION.

say what you want, Judges dont play when a 16 year old goes crying to mom that some creepy guy got her and her friend loaded in a hotel, got them to lie on camera to say they were 18 and then have them do nasty things toghether.

Again, this isnt about some 17 year old flashing tits, if that was the case, he wouldne be in jail for all the OTHER things he is.

Did any of you even read the article or do you just run your mouth to hear it?

the guy deserves time.

period.

Wasnt it the other way around? That they lied to him saying they we 18? Maybe im wrong on this one but thats what i heard.

[maxjohan]

maybe I din't understand the article..

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Battuss


Wasnt it the other way around? That they lied to him saying they we 18? Maybe im wrong on this one but thats what i heard.

Whatever you heard is irrelevant.

A 16 year old cried to her mom the day after claming to have been giving drugs/alcohol and she claiming he KNEW and TOLD them to say she was 18. Then was asked to perform with her friend in a shower, then asked to play with his dick or suck it. Either way she cried to mom the next day.

If he was fiming for business he should have ASKED FOR IDS.

dont use that stupid excuse. ASomeone in his position shouldnt be filming girls who OBVIOUSLY look REALLY YOUNG, but dont have model release or ID.

This is why Ibelieve it was for home videos of his own, meaning he was fiming child sex for personal use, giving them Lorotabs and booze but not to sell the vid, just for him to watch ;)

Dont use the 'they lied to him' card, since he deals with CONTENT it always involves ID for age.

He knew what he was doing, this was a personal video, the case will be interesting to follow.

[fiveyes]

Originally posted by Battuss


Wasnt it the other way around? That they lied to him saying they we 18? Maybe im wrong on this one but thats what i heard.

No, the tapes that were found with the warrants apparently has one of the girls saying she was 16 and someone offcamera tells her to say she is 18 or 19 years old "or we could get in trouble". Also, personal drug use (coke and e) was recorded as well as the offer and payment of money to these kids.

Like I said above- these guys were stupid!

[Dirty F]

Originally posted by fiveyes

No, the tapes that were found with the warrants apparently has one of the girls saying she was 16 and someone offcamera tells her to say she is 18 or 19 years old "or we could get in trouble". Also, personal drug use (coke and e) was recorded as well as the offer and payment of money to these kids.

Like I said above- these guys were stupid!

If thats the case then im wrong and that shouldnt have happened.

[maxjohan]

OK, know I understand what the drugs and cams etc. was for in the article..did'nt understand from the begining.

[Fletch XXX]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ggwild1.html

[fiveyes]

I found this on rec.arts.movies.erotica at the time of the bust (can't find the archive link to it on Google or I'd post that instead):

The Associated Press
The head of a company that produces the "Girls Gone Wild" videos was
arrested on racketeering and drug charges after parents complained to
police he told underage girls to say on camera that they were 18,
police said Thursday.

Search warrants on five locations and a private Gulfstream jet turned
up videotapes to corroborate the stories of five girls who said they
stripped and acted out scenes on camera although producers knew they
were underage, police said.

Joe Francis, chief executive officer of Mantra Entertainment, was
arrested outside of his condominium Wednesday evening. Three other
employees were also arrested.

Francis, 30, and Mark Schmitz, 26, were charged with prostitution and
sexual exploitation. Francis was also charged with drug trafficking.
The other two employees were charged with drug possession.

Mantra Entertainment spokesman Bill Horn said they deny all charges.

Police said they seized a 2002 Ferrari, electronic equipment, waiver
documents and a safe containing original footage of young women baring
forbidden flesh.

Panama City Beach is the nation's leading spring break destination,
attracting up to 400,000 college and high school students in March and
April.

Four 17-year-old girls and a 16-year-old came across a "Girls Gone
Wild" van Monday evening and were asked to go to a motel room with a
video crew to act out nude scenes in front of the camera, police said.
Two of them did, and were paid $100 for their performances, police
said.

"One of the 17-year-old girls came clean to her mother, and they
called us," said Bay County sheriff's spokeswoman Ruth Sasser.

Police said they found video to confirm that Francis told the
16-year-old to say she was 18 when he filmed her baring her breasts on
video.

All four men were still in custody Thursday evening in the Bay County
Jail in Panama City, officials said.

Area officials started feuding with the video company earlier this
year when a "Girls Gone Wild" crew came to town during spring break.

Mayor Lee Sullivan and local law enforcement officials threatened to
arrest anyone violating a public nudity ordinance as well as those who
encouraged such lawbreaking.

The producers went to court, asking a federal judge to declare that
certain activity associated with the filming would not be
automatically illegal and seeking a temporary restraining order
preventing authorities from making or threatening arrests.

They dropped the restraining order request March 12 after getting a
written promise police would not interfere with their constitutional
rights.

[fiveyes]

Oh, and note those last four paragraphs in the article above. All this happened after they already had a go around with the local constables. I had a link to the sherrif's statement prior to this incident on the Panama City States Item newspaper site, but it's long since gone. But he pretty much told them that they were going to be watched if they showed up again...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by fiveyes
Oh, and note those last four paragraphs in the article above. All this happened after they already had a go around with the local constables. I had a link to the sherrif's statement prior to this incident on the Panama City States Item newspaper site, but it's long since gone. But he pretty much told them that they were going to be watched if they showed up again...

Exactly.

Those guys deserve 10 years just for stupidity and negative image cast on our industry, let alone their illegal activity.

[cherrylula]

Life in prison for a some underage tang is beyond stupid.

Who cares how mature a 17 year old seems, its illegal and stupid to go there.

Everyone knows teenagers are fucking stupid, why trust an underage one to keep their mouth shut. Dumbasses.

Owned by the underage pussy

[AWC]

Originally posted by BradShaw
Looks like the $ went to his head and he bacame reckless. All the $ in the world does no good behind bars when tyrone wants to make you his next bitch.

Pay attention to Brad... he is the voice of experience.

[fiveyes]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Exactly.

Those guys deserve 10 years just for stupidity and negative image cast on our industry, let alone their illegal activity.

Really! This whole thing is along the lines of flippin' off a cop after he's told you to behave.

There's even some speculation that this could've been a sting or setup ("Hey, Deputy JimBob, you think that wild cousin of yours would be up to some fun and games with these jokers when they come back down?") but that doesn't excuse GGW's behavior.

Oh well, I've vented enough for one day. But this will probably take a while to wind it's way through the courts and generate more bad publicity for everyone in the event coverage business along rhe way. Might even get some of the "Video Voyeur Law" advocates to start broadening their definition of "illegal" uses of a camera.

What were those idiots thinking of!?!

[Brown Bear]

18-21 year olds are a dime a dozen at these events, why they would choose to deal with anyone younger is just stupid.

You play with fire long enough and eventually you'll get burned.

[fiveyes]

http://www.usaweekend.com/wit/images/030713cartoon.jpg

[Elli]

I bought Peter the tapes about four years ago for a birthday present. I think it was a Spring Break one and a New Orleans Mardi Gras tape. The spring break one was ok, although monotonous. They got some of the girls to do girl-girl stuff, though. ;) The mardi gras one made me uncomfortable. There were girls flashing that didn't LOOK of age by a long shot, and some looked like they were with their mothers! That's just weird, if you ask me. There were a couple 'back scenes' but not a lot, but yeah, they looked rather suspect. The one scene that totally turned me off the genre was with a girl that they kept asking to flash in Mardi Gras. She said, "Ok, but no touching." You could tell she was quite afraid of gettin gmauled. They held out money or beads or whatever, and she flashed. the SECOND her skin was bared, about 8 hands showed up and started grabbing her all over. She was convinced to do this a few more times, but to no better result, even twiht the camera guy asking the people to stop grabbing her. Ugh.

[afrocreep]

man thats not there fault.. its horny little boys fault.. grabbing tits like they've never seen or felt them before..

look at concerts where they flash and fuckers grab them all over or even rip their clothes off... its goddamn pathetic

[KidCock]

Well their Pay-per-view efforts were terrible. They did a PPV featuring some WWE wrestlers/celebrities (since Joe is a friend of Eric Bischoff's)...I didn't see it myself but heard it was TERRIBLE, not a very good sign ;p

[pornJester]

Originally posted by fiveyes
But the absolutely worse thing about them is now having a dozen or more people during an event shoot yelling in your face - "ARE YOU WITH GIRLS GONE WILD!?!" For that, they'll never be forgiven by the rest of us...

so so so true

[robfantasy]

so when a girl is using a fake ID to get into the club, and you end up fucking her, are u a child molestor?

shit like this is fucked up because there is a big difference b/w an old 60 yr old fuck trading pics of naked 6 yr olds and joe who probably got duped by some attention whore 17yr olds who probably used fake id's to get in.

i dont believe someone as smart as joe would be stupid enough to tell some underage chicks to lie about their age.

its the media, the cops and the haters shitting on him because he is a pure genius and has more money then everyone talking shit about him.

thats what i think, but thats all im sayin about it cuz i dont give a fuck

[Elli]

Originally posted by afrocreep
man thats not there fault.. its horny little boys fault.. grabbing tits like they've never seen or felt them before..

look at concerts where they flash and fuckers grab them all over or even rip their clothes off... its goddamn pathetic

I know, but the fact that they left the footage in their seemed to appeal to the wrong type of customer. Anyway, that customer was definitely not me! Not very classy, if you ask me.

btw, I love your Hamster Style quote