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Dirty F · 07-19-2003, 09:36 AM

Haha owned

Drake · 07-19-2003, 09:41 AM

Can you give us a sample link

Matt_WildCash · 07-19-2003, 09:42 AM

What the fuck?

god damn I hate it when you write up a big letter and then you get a freaking error shit if i'm writing that again.

Just go look at
http://www.blacksonblondes.com/password/?rid=a

Notice it now declares VERY CLEARLY at the top of the page the FULL PRICE the user is really going to be charged.

Nice to see this happening, luckily my sites don't have trials and kickass, this is sure going to put a sqeeze conversions for Universial pass type outfits and programs that trick customers to signup for shit they don't authorise.

Nice job Epoch.

Mutt · 07-19-2003, 09:55 AM

oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for?

I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

Drake · 07-19-2003, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for?

I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

Couldn't agree more.

pimplink · 07-19-2003, 10:06 AM

Hmmm looks like those days are over.

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for?

I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

Matt 26z · 07-19-2003, 10:20 AM

A lot of sponsors at the top wouldn't be there if they couldn't have scammed for years and years. Hopefully their party is over shortly.

There's something seriously wrong when business models are dependant on confusing customers.

JamesK · 07-19-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for?

I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

amen

basschick · 07-19-2003, 10:25 AM

i went to our epoch join page. it now says this at the top:

Your trial membership for MILF Auditions - Three Day Trial Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $1.95 for 3 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $29.95 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

notice that it doesn't mention you can cancel the trial. makes it sound like you can't cancel till you get charged monthly. also it's laid out in the most unattractive way you can imagine.

i see what they're trying to do, but perhaps they should be clearer for the surfers about being able to cancel the trials AND make the text look attractive so the page doesn't look like shit.

Shap · 07-19-2003, 10:26 AM

Wow I can't believe that. Pre-Checked, Double 1 day cross sells. Unbelievable. Looks like epoch is as risky, if not more, as ibill.

polish_aristocrat · 07-19-2003, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
Wow I can't believe that. Pre-Checked, Double 1 day cross sells. Unbelievable. Looks like epoch is as risky, if not more, as ibill.

I think it was always like that

FATPad · 07-19-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

I think it was always like that

Yes, Epoch is riskier, Ibill is just retarded.

Shap · 07-19-2003, 11:37 AM

FATPAD LOL Dude that just made my day

El Pres · 07-19-2003, 11:50 AM

Blacks on blondes is a partnership program isn't it,
who gets the $$ for the cross sells?

Mutt · 07-19-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Pres
Blacks on blondes is a partnership program isn't it,
who gets the $$ for the cross sells?

hopefully most of it will go into the pockets of the people they stole content from for all these years!

El Pres · 07-19-2003, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

hopefully most of it will go into the pockets of the people they stole content from for all these years!

hehe yep the stuff they're shooting now is crap compared to the stolen stuff.

That went on for years,
they ever gonna get sued over it or not?

Rand · 07-19-2003, 12:12 PM

Epoch's marketing and sales tools have been more aggressive than other IPSP's. But that does not equate to riskier. There is and always has been full disclosure of terms, and, email confirmations of sales with links to Billing Support should someone want to cancel a trial. This works. Any program working with us can tell you.

Further, in cases of cross-sells other than Purchase Plus, the customer must validate the cross sell on an Epoch form by an active submission. Again, full disclosure of terms and email confirmations are included in the entire process.

Epoch has been fully compliant with all card association ratio's while incorporating these upsell tools. With the new ratios, a 60% change from the old ones, some of the features we were able to offer at 2.5% will need to be adjusted to meet the 1%. Since MC ratio's are already 1% and we are compliant, there is no reason to think the same can't happen with Visa. It will. Many prog's are already taking pro-active measures to insure their compliance.

Re-read our post regarding some of the changes we will be making and you will see that some of them don't take effect until July 24th.

NiteRain · 07-19-2003, 12:23 PM

You don't need to preselect crossales, people will automatically check them themselves if they know they are getting a great deal for them. We changed out the price point and people actually click them on their own, and we can barely see the difference from the number of crossales that were preselected to the ones that weren't.

cherrylula · 07-19-2003, 12:30 PM

amazing.... if I was a surfer and I got to that page with those two prechecked boxes like that I guarantee I would never join a site affiliated with that billing company or url ever in my lifetime.

greedy, greedy people fucking up this industry.

Kimmykim · 07-19-2003, 12:35 PM

Hmmm, I will go out on a limb here and say that I'm sure everyone criticizing both IBill and Epoch doesn't earn a dime from any site that uses either of them right?

jimmyf · 07-19-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
A lot of sponsors at the top wouldn't be there if they couldn't have scammed for years and years. Hopefully their party is over shortly.

There's something seriously wrong when business models are dependant on confusing customers.

I agree100% but it's not just the porn business confusing ( SCAMING ) people Main Stream was doing it way before the Internet, now they do it on the Internet, also just like the Porn business, A kid in a FREE Candy Store.

jimmyf · 07-19-2003, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, I will go out on a limb here and say that I'm sure everyone criticizing both IBill and Epoch doesn't earn a dime from any site that uses either of them right?

wrong, but I won't sign up with any partner programs that use them any longer. Epoch, main reason there stats page's. ibill if you don't know why shame on you.

cherrylula · 07-19-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, I will go out on a limb here and say that I'm sure everyone criticizing both IBill and Epoch doesn't earn a dime from any site that uses either of them right?

but nobody will make any $ from them if they get out of compliance by screwing with surfers and lose their processing privelages, right?

after the wsb loss, I don't feel good about promoting anything that seems too risky in that sense!

edit: luckily triplexcash paid their affiliates for wsb, so not exactly a loss thanks to them.

Kimmykim · 07-19-2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
wrong, but I won't sign up with any partner programs that use them any longer. Epoch, main reason there stats page's. ibill if you don't know why shame on you.

Vote with your traffic, that's all I'm going to say. I've made it plain that I have no problems with IBill, CCBill, Jettis or Epoch for things that have to do with traffic that goes out from SB.

And we might chalk this up to my not having a cigarette for the last two days and feeling the extreme desire to beat something to death... but then on the other hand I really do get tired of listening to people bash Processor (insert name here) when they turn right around and use sponsors that are running big numbers through the very same processor.

The problem in this industry is easy. It's the sheer weight of the hypocrisy that drags it down.

Drake · 07-19-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Pres

hehe yep the stuff they're shooting now is crap compared to the stolen stuff.

That went on for years,
they ever gonna get sued over it or not?

Actually the stuff they're shooting now is better. They changed formats a third time about a week ago. The images are huge and high quality, better than any other interracial niche site I've seen out there. Have a look at the latest photo updates in the BoB members area and you'll see the vast improvement.

I don't know the story about BoB, like what they stole for content. But the most recent shoots they've done are incredible.

Kimmykim · 07-19-2003, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula

but nobody will make any $ from them if they get out of compliance by screwing with surfers and lose their processing privelages, right?

after the wsb loss, I don't feel good about promoting anything that seems too risky in that sense!

Sweetheart, Ibill, Epoch, etc stand to lose sooooo much more than ANY of their individual accounts do if the shit went wrong. Do you really think that anyone who's left is trying to go out of business?

Gawd, I need a cigarette.

Mr.Fiction · 07-19-2003, 01:14 PM

Is "Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style" something that is updated monthly?

Rand · 07-19-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
Epoch, main reason there stats page's.

Yeah we know.

We're fixing that. Stay tuned.

pimplink · 07-19-2003, 01:32 PM

They should definitely make their stats page more user friendly.

Matt_WildCash · 07-19-2003, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, I will go out on a limb here and say that I'm sure everyone criticizing both IBill and Epoch doesn't earn a dime from any site that uses either of them right?

Thats right Kimmy, everyone who makes money with Epoch Loves them. I'm doing very well with Epoch and will always have them as my primary sponsor.

If Epoch had any problem with the 1% thing there reaction to it would be a lot harsher than it has been. If they were out of complicance bad then there response would of been to kill all cross sells and free trials. But they haven't done that so it means there well within the rules.

Dirty F · 07-19-2003, 09:18 PM

I didnt start this topic.

Pointless · 07-19-2003, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
I didnt start this topic.

Matt_WildCash · 07-19-2003, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
I didnt start this topic.

I did. It was a error. Probably from that Russian trying to DNS gofuckyourself.com down. I had problems connecting to GFY getting page load errors 10 mins ago too, so maybe it is still happening.

Kimmykim · 07-19-2003, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven

Thats right Kimmy, everyone who makes money with Epoch Loves them. I'm doing very well with Epoch and will always have them as my primary sponsor.

If Epoch had any problem with the 1% thing there reaction to it would be a lot harsher than it has been. If they were out of complicance bad then there response would of been to kill all cross sells and free trials. But they haven't done that so it means there well within the rules.

Everybody who makes money with ANY processor should love them, especially given the crap that they go thru every day to keep a stable and profitable business.

All the hoopla about getting ones own merchant account is wonderful, if you dont do huge volume, never have any problems, know the guys at MC or Visa personally who are going to turn you off, or one of the other multitude of reasons I hear daily.

Bottom lines so simple.

This business is going to change and I think about 75% of the people in it will be gone by Christmas. The ones that are left are the ones sitting around right now, evaluating their businesses and deciding what to do. Of course the 25% that sticks is probably already the 25% making most of the money ;)

HardProfits · 07-19-2003, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Everybody who makes money with ANY processor should love them, especially given the crap that they go thru every day to keep a stable and profitable business.

All the hoopla about getting ones own merchant account is wonderful, if you dont do huge volume, never have any problems, know the guys at MC or Visa personally who are going to turn you off, or one of the other multitude of reasons I hear daily.

Bottom lines so simple.

This business is going to change and I think about 75% of the people in it will be gone by Christmas. The ones that are left are the ones sitting around right now, evaluating their businesses and deciding what to do. Of course the 25% that sticks is probably already the 25% making most of the money ;)

I hate to say it KK, but when your right - your waaaaay right

Halcyon · 07-20-2003, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Gawd, I need a cigarette.

Hang in there, KK!!
Stock your fridge with carrot sticks to chew on and make sure you have a Hitachi magic wand available.

This thread reminds me of 'Airplane' when Lloyd Bridges says, "I picked a hell of a week to quit smoking."

Not that I'm saying that the state of processor business is like a doomed plane or anything. Just a little turbulence before righting itself.

Kimmykim · 07-20-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halcyon

Hang in there, KK!!
Stock your fridge with carrot sticks to chew on and make sure you have a Hitachi magic wand available.

This thread reminds me of 'Airplane' when Lloyd Bridges says, "I picked a hell of a week to quit smoking."

Not that I'm saying that the state of processor business is like a doomed plane or anything. Just a little turbulence before righting itself.

Oh Hal I love ya but I gave up trying to quit, I was just too grumpy today to stick with it

My evil Dan knows all the issues I have right now lol ;)

Shap · 07-25-2003, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Posted by Rand
Re-read our post regarding some of the changes we will be making and you will see that some of them don't take effect until July 24th.

It's the 25th. I see double cross selling still running wild.

Pornkings · 07-25-2003, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rand
Epoch's marketing and sales tools have been more aggressive than other IPSP's. But that does not equate to riskier. There is and always has been full disclosure of terms, and, email confirmations of sales with links to Billing Support should someone want to cancel a trial. This works. Any program working with us can tell you.

Further, in cases of cross-sells other than Purchase Plus, the customer must validate the cross sell on an Epoch form by an active submission. Again, full disclosure of terms and email confirmations are included in the entire process.

Epoch has been fully compliant with all card association ratio's while incorporating these upsell tools. With the new ratios, a 60% change from the old ones, some of the features we were able to offer at 2.5% will need to be adjusted to meet the 1%. Since MC ratio's are already 1% and we are compliant, there is no reason to think the same can't happen with Visa. It will. Many prog's are already taking pro-active measures to insure their compliance.

Re-read our post regarding some of the changes we will be making and you will see that some of them don't take effect until July 24th.

Epoch has done a great job for us and we are way under 1%

On both Visa and MC

Yea I noticed the trial and full price membership was added to the top of the page.

thank god our's reads
Your trial membership for Wet Dreams - One Month Trial Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $1.00 for 30 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $37.12 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

there is no reason for surfers to complain it's in plain view
same with the cross sales

Pornkings · 07-25-2003, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap

It's the 25th. I see double cross selling still running wild.

in cases of cross-sells other than Purchase Plus, the customer must validate the cross sell on an Epoch form by an active submission. Again, full disclosure of terms and email confirmations are included in the entire process.

they can check or uncheck cross sells and they get an email confirmation they can cancel from.
don't think surfers are idiots.

Just like anything else in life there is always an upsell

Do you want to super size your value meal...

Dravyk · 07-25-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
And we might chalk this up to my not having a cigarette for the last two days and feeling the extreme desire to beat something to death...

Brad is never around when he's most needed.

Kimmykim · 07-25-2003, 01:49 PM

It only lasted two days Drav... just not my time to quit I guess.

Dravyk · 07-25-2003, 01:56 PM

Hey, my hat's off to you. That's two days more than me, KK!!

Never a good time to quit before a convention anyhow.

inthestars · 07-26-2003, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Everybody who makes money with ANY processor should love them, especially given the crap that they go thru every day to keep a stable and profitable business.

All the hoopla about getting ones own merchant account is wonderful, if you dont do huge volume, never have any problems, know the guys at MC or Visa personally who are going to turn you off, or one of the other multitude of reasons I hear daily.

Bottom lines so simple.

This business is going to change and I think about 75% of the people in it will be gone by Christmas. The ones that are left are the ones sitting around right now, evaluating their businesses and deciding what to do. Of course the 25% that sticks is probably already the 25% making most of the money ;)

I agree.. it is so shitty how the business has been ruined by greed..

OneHungLo · 07-26-2003, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for?

I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

[X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month.

And people wonder why Visa is doing what they are doing.

07-19-2003, 09:36 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Test

07-19-2003, 09:55 AM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	oh yeah they're really worried about October, TWO pre-checked cross-sales to two other sites that don't even have URL's/domain names attached to them. I've never joined a site with these cross-sales checked, when does the poor shmuck surfer find out the domain names of these two fabulous sites he's being joined up for? I love the Python scam where the front ends have different domains than the members area do so the victim.......er.....member is totally confused what site he is actually a member of. [X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Glory Hole - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month. [X]Click here to signup for a 1 day NO CHARGE Membership to Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style - One Day Trial Membership. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $29.99 every 1 month. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-19-2003, 11:50 AM	#15
El Pres Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Alicante, Spain Posts: 382	Blacks on blondes is a partnership program isn't it, who gets the $$ for the cross sells? __________________ http://www.sdm-soluciones.com/design/

07-19-2003, 12:12 PM	#18
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	Epoch's marketing and sales tools have been more aggressive than other IPSP's. But that does not equate to riskier. There is and always has been full disclosure of terms, and, email confirmations of sales with links to Billing Support should someone want to cancel a trial. This works. Any program working with us can tell you. Further, in cases of cross-sells other than Purchase Plus, the customer must validate the cross sell on an Epoch form by an active submission. Again, full disclosure of terms and email confirmations are included in the entire process. Epoch has been fully compliant with all card association ratio's while incorporating these upsell tools. With the new ratios, a 60% change from the old ones, some of the features we were able to offer at 2.5% will need to be adjusted to meet the 1%. Since MC ratio's are already 1% and we are compliant, there is no reason to think the same can't happen with Visa. It will. Many prog's are already taking pro-active measures to insure their compliance. Re-read our post regarding some of the changes we will be making and you will see that some of them don't take effect until July 24th. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance Last edited by Rand; 07-19-2003 at 12:14 PM..

07-19-2003, 01:14 PM	#28
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Is "Snoop Dogg's Doggy Style" something that is updated monthly? __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

07-19-2003, 09:41 AM	#3
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Can you give us a sample link

07-19-2003, 09:42 AM	#4
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	What the fuck? god damn I hate it when you write up a big letter and then you get a freaking error shit if i'm writing that again. Just go look at http://www.blacksonblondes.com/password/?rid=a Notice it now declares VERY CLEARLY at the top of the page the FULL PRICE the user is really going to be charged. Nice to see this happening, luckily my sites don't have trials and kickass, this is sure going to put a sqeeze conversions for Universial pass type outfits and programs that trick customers to signup for shit they don't authorise. Nice job Epoch.

07-19-2003, 10:20 AM	#8
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	A lot of sponsors at the top wouldn't be there if they couldn't have scammed for years and years. Hopefully their party is over shortly. There's something seriously wrong when business models are dependant on confusing customers.

07-19-2003, 10:25 AM	#10
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	i went to our epoch join page. it now says this at the top: Your trial membership for MILF Auditions - Three Day Trial Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete. Your price is $1.95 for 3 days. Thereafter you will be charged $29.95 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled. notice that it doesn't mention you can cancel the trial. makes it sound like you can't cancel till you get charged monthly. also it's laid out in the most unattractive way you can imagine. i see what they're trying to do, but perhaps they should be clearer for the surfers about being able to cancel the trials AND make the text look attractive so the page doesn't look like shit.

07-19-2003, 10:26 AM	#11
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Wow I can't believe that. Pre-Checked, Double 1 day cross sells. Unbelievable. Looks like epoch is as risky, if not more, as ibill.

07-19-2003, 11:37 AM	#14
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	FATPAD LOL Dude that just made my day

07-19-2003, 12:23 PM	#19
NiteRain Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 600	You don't need to preselect crossales, people will automatically check them themselves if they know they are getting a great deal for them. We changed out the price point and people actually click them on their own, and we can barely see the difference from the number of crossales that were preselected to the ones that weren't.

07-19-2003, 12:30 PM	#20
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	amazing.... if I was a surfer and I got to that page with those two prechecked boxes like that I guarantee I would never join a site affiliated with that billing company or url ever in my lifetime. greedy, greedy people fucking up this industry.

07-19-2003, 12:35 PM	#21
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Hmmm, I will go out on a limb here and say that I'm sure everyone criticizing both IBill and Epoch doesn't earn a dime from any site that uses either of them right?

07-19-2003, 01:32 PM	#30
pimplink Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Closer than you think Posts: 9,535	They should definitely make their stats page more user friendly. __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

07-19-2003, 09:18 PM	#32
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I didnt start this topic.

07-25-2003, 01:49 PM	#43
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	It only lasted two days Drav... just not my time to quit I guess.

07-25-2003, 01:56 PM	#44
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	Hey, my hat's off to you. That's two days more than me, KK!! Never a good time to quit before a convention anyhow. __________________ All Of 'Em