Is shooting custom really worth it? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 07-18-2003, 01:32 AM

Just been doing some calculations on the value of shooting custom work.

I reckon we can shoot 5 sets and videos, solo girl in a day. If it's boy/girl or girl/girl we can do three sets/videos.

All this to a standard we are happy with.

Solo girl set/video will sell for $10, 50 times = $500 x 5 = $2,500

Two girl set/video will sell for $15, 50 times = $750 x 5 = $2,250

Boy/Girl set/video will sell at $20, 50 times = $1,000 x 5 = $3,000

These are riduculously low prices, but high number of sales. We still own the rights and can continue to sell it till hell freezes over.

Plus we can shoot one of the sets as a magazine set and they are worth a few $$

The girl does not turn up or perform we can kick her out. We are not beholding to anyone else.

I started to think about this because I had some clown on ICQ thinking we should shoot custom for twice the models fee. She wants $300 I do a day for $600

Plus the fact with one of our shooters out ill Eva and I are having to do a lot more photography.

Thanks for listening just thinking aloud.

Krome · 07-18-2003, 01:39 AM

I did a custom shoot for Oz at www.truecash.com - 10 girls, two strip and toys videos each for $3000. I think that is a fair price.

Mutt · 07-18-2003, 01:44 AM

so 20 exclusive strip and toy videos for $3,000? that's $150 per video. That ain't pretty.

UnseenWorld · 07-18-2003, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
so 20 exclusive strip and toy videos for $3,000? that's $150 per video. That ain't pretty.

No screamin' shit. The cheapskates are gradually forcing the producers into the nonexclusive business, because they want to buy exclusive stuff ever closer to what a guy can get for it nonexclusive (be being able to sell it over and over forever). In the end, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot by having to deal with more and more amateurish producers as the good ones wise up.

Mutt · 07-18-2003, 01:49 AM

charly no it doesn't make sense for you to shoot custom IF those figures are your AVERAGE number of sales/revenue per set/video - sometimes people get impressed with their own numbers, so you might have 50 sets/videos that turn over 50 times a year, the hot sellers, which leads you to think 'i sell sets/videos 50 times' - gotta figure in your losers too to get accurate data.

then you are framing this as an EITHER OR dilemma - either shoot custom OR shoot for licensed content. If there is demand for both you can do both.

Nydahl · 07-18-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

No screamin' shit. The cheapskates are gradually forcing the producers into the nonexclusive business, because they want to buy exclusive stuff ever closer to what a guy can get for it nonexclusive (be being able to sell it over and over forever). In the end, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot by having to deal with more and more amateurish producers as the good ones wise up.

amacontent · 07-18-2003, 02:01 AM

I shoot about 7 custom shoots a week now and Im smiling all day long

Kevin2 · 07-18-2003, 02:07 AM

Same here. We shoot every day and will continue doing it

richard · 07-18-2003, 02:32 AM

I think you looking at it the wrong way.

You are building a product based on the opportunity cost, rather than the raw cost of the product.

You dont need to charge $2500 for an exclusive, to make profit on what it costs you to produce those exclusive sets. You justify that cost, based on the number of times you could sell it non-exclusively.

Are you charging $2500 for all 5 sets/videos, or per set/video?

Does the client want to pay $600 per set/video, or for all of them?

If they are paying $600 per, and you can make 5 in a day, thats $3000/day... call it $1000 in costs other than your time, and you're taking $2000/day for taking pics of nude women.

sign me up :-)

Paul Markham · 07-18-2003, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
charly no it doesn't make sense for you to shoot custom IF those figures are your AVERAGE number of sales/revenue per set/video - sometimes people get impressed with their own numbers, so you might have 50 sets/videos that turn over 50 times a year, the hot sellers, which leads you to think 'i sell sets/videos 50 times' - gotta figure in your losers too to get accurate data.

then you are framing this as an EITHER OR dilemma - either shoot custom OR shoot for licensed content. If there is demand for both you can do both.

Mutt those figures come from the Bargain Basement sets that are $5 to $10 a set without videos. Some of the sets and videos on Paul Markham Content Store are selling at $70 to $100 and doing even more than these figures.

I think Unseen has it in a nut shell. Let the guys that want us to work all day for $600 go and buy from them who can't sell at non exclusive. You want exclusive on your site becasue it's so good? Then pay for it.

Paul Markham · 07-18-2003, 02:52 AM

richard
The only way to price it is on the largest figure.

If it's worth more to shoot custom then shoot custom, if it's worth more to shoot it for the store then shoot it for the store.

My figures were based on us shooting for a day and selling for 9 months and were average prices with the selling price low. It was based on Bargain Basement where sets sell for a lot les than Paul Markham Content Store.

Unseen is right, we are getting approached all the time by guys who think because one guy will do it we all have to do it at the price. Well only if they can't sell via their stores. My figures are conservative, not inflated.

=^..^= · 07-18-2003, 02:53 AM

SHOITING custom is worth it

richard · 07-18-2003, 03:01 AM

Simple answer, dont do exclusve if you make more doing shop sets.

But at the same time, dont whine and bitch that a competitor is doing exclusive video shoots for $600 per scene.

If i've got the numbers correct, YOU could shoot content of YOUR quality, and make profit at $600/scene.

You might also look at it as a quick cashflow injection, doing 1 day/week/fortnight/month as exclusive. You get the money upfront, today, no risks.

I think i must have the numbers wrong, because im my mind, if i came up to you with $3000 to produce 5 exclusive solo girl vids/pics, you'd tell me to go away?

Mutt · 07-18-2003, 03:08 AM

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Originally posted by richard

I think i must have the numbers wrong, because im my mind, if i came up to you with $3000 to produce 5 exclusive solo girl vids/pics, you'd tell me to go away?

this is a price I can live with.

charly has a store and if he can make more profit shooting those videos and licensing them than he'd be stupid to sell them exclusively for only $600 - if he can sell a solo vid for $50 20 times that's $1,000, lot better than $600.

Paul Markham · 07-18-2003, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by richard
Simple answer, dont do exclusve if you make more doing shop sets.

But at the same time, dont whine and bitch that a competitor is doing exclusive video shoots for $600 per scene.

If i've got the numbers correct, YOU could shoot content of YOUR quality, and make profit at $600/scene.

You might also look at it as a quick cashflow injection, doing 1 day/week/fortnight/month as exclusive. You get the money upfront, today, no risks.

I think i must have the numbers wrong, because im my mind, if i came up to you with $3000 to produce 5 exclusive solo girl vids/pics, you'd tell me to go away?

I'm not whining at other shooters shooting it cheaper, I'm whining at the guy who can't see the difference between what I shoot and some guy with six months experience shoots. And thinks I should do it for the same price.

We do not have a cash flow problem, becasue we do not shoot a lot of custom. ;)

If you want to pay $3,000 for 5 solo girl sets and videos please ICQ me. I'm complaining about the idiots who think they are doing me a favour at giving us $1,000 for the five.

KRL · 07-18-2003, 03:44 AM

Zappu · 07-18-2003, 04:03 AM

@Charly,
if we shoot custom photos and we can use them as well, we sell them just as usual for normal prices. No extra costs. If the customer wants to block the photos and videos for some time, ok - some extra money must be charged.
Our 104 Photographers are always pretty happe to get new ideas for shootings and make sure they are sold already once before the can start.
http://www.skan-media.net

freeme · 07-18-2003, 04:06 AM

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Originally posted by =^..^=
SHOITING custom is worth it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

kitty that is sooo fucking funny

=^..^= · 07-18-2003, 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by freeme

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

kitty that is sooo fucking funny

like i said - i'm on a roll

TripleForce · 07-18-2003, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by charly
If you want to pay $3,000 for 5 solo girl sets and videos please ICQ me. I'm complaining about the idiots who think they are doing me a favour at giving us $1,000 for the five. [/B]

I agree with Charly. Many webmasters don't understand why other content providers can shoot exclusive for only $2 per picture but we can't

VideoJ · 07-18-2003, 05:26 AM

Take a look at the sites we produce for and how much money they make for our customers. Then if you can't figure out why I charge a premium for our exclusive work, I don't need your business

Paul Markham · 07-18-2003, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by VideoJ
Take a look at the sites we produce for and how much money they make for our customers. Then if you can't figure out why I charge a premium for our exclusive work, I don't need your business

Exactly. A little more harsh than I would say it. but true.

I think with the new 1% charge back rules, content is going to be a little more important.

Webamsters can do little more against fraud or stopping the wife from finding out what hubby was paying for last month. What they can do is to ensure when the guy is inside the site he is happy with what he's paid for. THAT'S CONTENT. Not design, traffic, adverts or flash progamming. He's there to jerk off.

07-18-2003, 01:32 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Is shooting custom really worth it? Just been doing some calculations on the value of shooting custom work. I reckon we can shoot 5 sets and videos, solo girl in a day. If it's boy/girl or girl/girl we can do three sets/videos. All this to a standard we are happy with. Solo girl set/video will sell for $10, 50 times = $500 x 5 = $2,500 Two girl set/video will sell for $15, 50 times = $750 x 5 = $2,250 Boy/Girl set/video will sell at $20, 50 times = $1,000 x 5 = $3,000 These are riduculously low prices, but high number of sales. We still own the rights and can continue to sell it till hell freezes over. Plus we can shoot one of the sets as a magazine set and they are worth a few $$ The girl does not turn up or perform we can kick her out. We are not beholding to anyone else. I started to think about this because I had some clown on ICQ thinking we should shoot custom for twice the models fee. She wants $300 I do a day for $600 Plus the fact with one of our shooters out ill Eva and I are having to do a lot more photography. Thanks for listening just thinking aloud. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-18-2003, 01:44 AM	#3
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	so 20 exclusive strip and toy videos for $3,000? that's $150 per video. That ain't pretty. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-18-2003, 01:49 AM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	charly no it doesn't make sense for you to shoot custom IF those figures are your AVERAGE number of sales/revenue per set/video - sometimes people get impressed with their own numbers, so you might have 50 sets/videos that turn over 50 times a year, the hot sellers, which leads you to think 'i sell sets/videos 50 times' - gotta figure in your losers too to get accurate data. then you are framing this as an EITHER OR dilemma - either shoot custom OR shoot for licensed content. If there is demand for both you can do both. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-18-2003, 02:01 AM	#7
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,877	I shoot about 7 custom shoots a week now and Im smiling all day long __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

07-18-2003, 02:07 AM	#8
Kevin2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,429	Same here. We shoot every day and will continue doing it __________________ Webmasters Trade Traffic!!!

07-18-2003, 01:39 AM	#2
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	I did a custom shoot for Oz at www.truecash.com - 10 girls, two strip and toys videos each for $3000. I think that is a fair price.

07-18-2003, 02:32 AM	#9
richard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 543	I think you looking at it the wrong way. You are building a product based on the opportunity cost, rather than the raw cost of the product. You dont need to charge $2500 for an exclusive, to make profit on what it costs you to produce those exclusive sets. You justify that cost, based on the number of times you could sell it non-exclusively. Are you charging $2500 for all 5 sets/videos, or per set/video? Does the client want to pay $600 per set/video, or for all of them? If they are paying $600 per, and you can make 5 in a day, thats $3000/day... call it $1000 in costs other than your time, and you're taking $2000/day for taking pics of nude women. sign me up :-) __________________

07-18-2003, 02:52 AM	#11
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	richard The only way to price it is on the largest figure. If it's worth more to shoot custom then shoot custom, if it's worth more to shoot it for the store then shoot it for the store. My figures were based on us shooting for a day and selling for 9 months and were average prices with the selling price low. It was based on Bargain Basement where sets sell for a lot les than Paul Markham Content Store. Unseen is right, we are getting approached all the time by guys who think because one guy will do it we all have to do it at the price. Well only if they can't sell via their stores. My figures are conservative, not inflated. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-18-2003, 02:53 AM	#12
=^..^= Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ 380-366 Posts: 6,935	SHOITING custom is worth it __________________ #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

07-18-2003, 03:01 AM	#13
richard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 543	Simple answer, dont do exclusve if you make more doing shop sets. But at the same time, dont whine and bitch that a competitor is doing exclusive video shoots for $600 per scene. If i've got the numbers correct, YOU could shoot content of YOUR quality, and make profit at $600/scene. You might also look at it as a quick cashflow injection, doing 1 day/week/fortnight/month as exclusive. You get the money upfront, today, no risks. I think i must have the numbers wrong, because im my mind, if i came up to you with $3000 to produce 5 exclusive solo girl vids/pics, you'd tell me to go away? __________________

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07-18-2003, 04:03 AM	#17
Zappu Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,556	@Charly, if we shoot custom photos and we can use them as well, we sell them just as usual for normal prices. No extra costs. If the customer wants to block the photos and videos for some time, ok - some extra money must be charged. Our 104 Photographers are always pretty happe to get new ideas for shootings and make sure they are sold already once before the can start. http://www.skan-media.net __________________ Zappu (ICQ: 23141467) European Erotik Content Archive CONTENT4FREE = CONTENT4CLICKS X JOIN NOW!

07-18-2003, 05:26 AM	#21
VideoJ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 750	Take a look at the sites we produce for and how much money they make for our customers. Then if you can't figure out why I charge a premium for our exclusive work, I don't need your business __________________ Somebody stole my damn signture...