I have no disagreement there.
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Well don't think that America is the only country with plans for World domination..I have also found Canadian documents that outline in detail the plans for the Takeover and re-organisation of the USA and eventually the rest of the world..
http://www.standonguard.com/cart2.html
http://www.standonguard.com/cart4.html
http://www.standonguard.com/cart3.html
And of course this horrifying, but some how logical document
http://www.standonguard.com/top10.html
I was absolutely shocked when I found these!! Shocked I say, SHOCKED!
Originally posted by perry noid
It looks to me like the US wants to take over the world . Here's the plan Project for a New American Century . Bush is just the current manager in charge of implementing it .World domination is world domination - I think that puts Bush in at least the same league as Hitler .Last edited by unconnected; 07-17-2003, 03:10 PM."Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
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Thank You....Originally posted by cortezzz
very stupid question. bush iz a dick, but you cant compare him and hitler or stalin.
It is as if people forget that Hitler and Stalin were not just symbols of tyranny thery are symbols of genocide. over 75,000,000 were murdered between the two of them....
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I was going to guess somewhere in Switzerland.Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Hey, that pic is taken from Helsinki.-uno
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Pol Pot, Pinochet, and any number of other dictators. R'wanda, central America, East Timor. The list isn't short.Originally posted by Colin
We in the west tend to think of the western tyrants. How about
Mao Zedong? Same category as Hitler and Stalin though more geographically limited. Just as brutal and a mindnumbing number of deaths at his hands though.-uno
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Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American PresidentOriginally posted by Kanoealoha
mmm good question...
I'm interested in it all...
World Leaders, World Crisis and everything in between.
Damn, that didn't narrow it huh
Edit: Also check out "All the President's Men"Last edited by uno; 07-17-2003, 03:32 PM.-uno
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It has little to do with the education system and a lot to do with the fact that people are living with one of these guys and the other two are long dead.Originally posted by jimholio
the comparison is unfortunately a sad reflection of our education system today
Notice even the question says "is/was". The only answer if you ask yourself who "IS" the most evil is Visa or Bush. If you say who "was", then you have two other choices.
It's like when they ask who the greatest president is/was. Many people always answer with Clinton and/or Reagan. Why? Because those two guys are the ones who have directly (not indirectly) affected the lives of the people being asked the question.
This has little to do with education and everything to do with human nature.Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 07-17-2003, 03:34 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by Why
what did stalin do that was so bad exacly, anyone got some cliff notes on stalin?
much higher body count than Hitler...
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Not to mention Stalin was in power 30+ years and Hitler only for like 12 or so.Originally posted by TheJimmy
much higher body count than Hitler...
he was more efficient I guess...
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Ahhh the morons of GFY.....
To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.
Stalin killed millions of his own people, and Hilter exterminated 6 million Jews.
Bush will be out of office next year, so how anyone can say that he will be or is evil is plain stupid and completely assinine!!Comment
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Just to add a little fun to the "morons" comment.Originally posted by ChrisH
Ahhh the morons of GFY.....
To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.
1933 - Hitler elected chancellor of Germany.
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Exactly... and he got a much higher percentage of the vote than Bush did.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Just to add a little fun to the "morons" comment.
1933 - Hitler elected chancellor of Germany.
ChrisH is indeed the king of the morons.I used to get high on life but then I built up a tolerance.Comment
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1. hitler was elected. (though, yes after election he brought in some draconian laws( anti terrorist laws).Originally posted by ChrisH
Ahhh the morons of GFY.....
To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.
Stalin killed millions of his own people, and Hilter exterminated 6 million Jews.
Bush will be out of office next year, so how anyone can say that he will be or is evil is plain stupid and completely assinine!!
2. just because bush will be out of office next year in some round about way specifically means he's not evil?
3. what's wrong with comparing an elected leader to a dictator? tell us why it's "retarded and stupid" ( very insightful comments by the way.)Comment
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In truth, how far back in history do you want to look? There were far worse than Hitler and Stalin in this world I'm sure.
The mongolians enjoyed catapulting dead bodies into castles they were besieging and that's just touching the surface. Others improved on this technique and catapulted plague infested bodies into castles.
You've all heard of Vlad the Impaler I'm sure. He would impale all captured prisoners in front of the advancing turkish armies presenting a forest of impaled soldiers complete with the ravens and vultures picking at the sometimes still alive victims, poison all wells (with plague, mind you) and send lepers into the turkish camps at night, disguised as whores. Gory to say the least.
The aztecs kept an 'independent' county in the middle of their empire so they could raid them for sacrificial victims - usually removing their hearts at sunrise..while still alive.
But ultimately evil is still a matter of perspective, as the human mind can rationalize any act.Comment
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excellent points. but this thread seems to be asking us to compare the bush, stalin and hitler on the evil-o-meter not who was the most evil of all time..Originally posted by Ironhorse
In truth, how far back in history do you want to look? There were far worse than Hitler and Stalin in this world I'm sure.
The mongolians enjoyed catapulting dead bodies into castles they were besieging and that's just touching the surface. Others improved on this technique and catapulted plague infested bodies into castles.
You've all heard of Vlad the Impaler I'm sure. He would impale all captured prisoners in front of the advancing turkish armies presenting a forest of impaled soldiers complete with the ravens and vultures picking at the sometimes still alive victims, poison all wells (with plague, mind you) and send lepers into the turkish camps at night, disguised as whores. Gory to say the least.
The aztecs kept an 'independent' county in the middle of their empire so they could raid them for sacrificial victims - usually removing their hearts at sunrise..while still alive.
But ultimately evil is still a matter of perspective, as the human mind can rationalize any act.Comment
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Go to bed, peasant.Originally posted by GreenBooger
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Where did you learn that Sadam is killed milions?! From CNN?!!?Originally posted by Johny Traffic
everybody slags of bush, but no one seems to care that sadam killed millions of his OWN people. I find that hard to understand.
I think Bush is killed (and will kill) much more people.
The death of a few Americans must be worldwide tragedy, the death of Iraq mothers and children, assassinated in a bus is just a mistake....---some wise words goes here--Comment
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Hitler did not take sole responsibility. That's why many of his high ranking officers stood trial after the war and many of his officers fled to escape execuction. 'Convince' the Germans is a pretty weak statement... On coming to power, his people thought him to be a great leader, even after his brainwashing of the children of Germany who were quite happy to turn their own parents in to be shot. Someone who can turn your own kids against you is trully evil. 'As for most of us would tell them to fuck off'... I doubt it. It's nice to look back and 'think' we've more sense and have superior intelligence, but if you lived in those times you would more than likely have the same opinion as those around you... one of surviving by keeping quiet.Originally posted by basschick
dunno... but hitler didn't actually kill all those people - what he did was convince the germans of his fucked up agenda. no one ever blames those people - just hitler. but c'mon - if someone came to most of us and told us a few races and religions of people were evil and should be destroyed, hopefully most of us would tell them to fuck off.
Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Vlad, Ghengis and not forgetting Pol Pot were evil bastards. Bush is just a simpleton and can't and shouldn't be compared to these guys.Comment
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I would say because the people considered the most evil in history are considered such not only because of their temperment but because of their deeds and context. Would Hitler have been JUST as evil if he had been killed during World War I? One not only has to have a certain temperament but to act on it. Otherwise no one could know to what extent you are ?evil?. Evil thoughts, it seems to me, are not the same as evil deeds.
Of course, evil is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama is evil to some and the embodiment of good to others. I don?t really like the word ?evil?. Too many religious connotations and it?s vague. I would say if I were to call a world leader evil though, they would have to have committed inhumane acts on a grand scale and be viewed as in opposition to my world-view and political position.
I only added George Bush as a joke. I didn?t think anyone would choose him. I never thought anyone would rank the small-scale wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on the same scale as extermination and systematic genocide of tens of millions of people.
There is a recency factor as Mr. Fiction pointed out. That?s a great point. World War II is becoming ancient history. It?s veterans are dying off. But still, it seems like every other show on the History Channel is about Hitler and the bookstores seem to have their own Third Reich section. Fifty years from the now every other show on the History Channel is not going to be about George Bush?s Reich like every other show is about Hitler now. There is the difference. George Bush will have been just another president on the list. Hitler and Stalin were the pivotal figures of the twentieth century.
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Exactly. Fear and survival become the name of the game. The people who act with courage and act upon it in such regimesOriginally posted by DJRCyberAVS
'As for most of us would tell them to fuck off'... I doubt it. It's nice to look back and 'think' we've more sense and have superior intelligence, but if you lived in those times you would more than likely have the same opinion as those around you... one of surviving by keeping quiet.
are so few and far between that they are later celebrated as heroes (Schindler). If offered a choice between survival and changing one's world-view most people find their world-views are more malleable than they once thought.
There was nothing wrong with the German people. They were an exceptionally talented and advanced society. Their reaction to the events around them were the normal ones. I don't think we'd be much different in similar circumstances.
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Hey it's not over until the fat lady sings.Originally posted by Colin
Fifty years from the now every other show on the History Channel is not going to be about George Bush?s Reich like every other show is about Hitler now. There is the difference. George Bush will have been just another president on the list. Hitler and Stalin were the pivotal figures of the twentieth century.Comment
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Perhaps you missed the news. Christina Aguilera's tour kicked off on June 4th.Originally posted by Ironhorse
Hey it's not over until the fat lady sings.
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After seeing the results of the poll and some of the posts in this thread I'm no longer suprised by the level of stupidity on GFY sometimes. All makes sense now....
Stalin was by far the biggest butcher and it is very hard to imagine what would happen if he was in Hitlers position (strong economy and military power) in the pre-WW II time and in the beggining of the war. Hitler was a monster too, no doubt, but Stalin was one of a kind.
Hitler is percieved as the biggest monster just because Stalin was lucky enough to be at the winning side when war ended. Same case as USA after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.. Imagine that Mussolini used the nukes - guess who would be the biggest monster then?
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The US is already the dominant world power. Policy is to maintain that position of dominance rather than to surrender it to a regional power and end up in another Cold War like state.
It's a rational point, and I agree. However, irritating and annoying our allied nations will not do. For example, the past policy was to allow Europe, Japan and other nations to use our space satellite technology. This was to prevent other nations from building it themselves. With the current rift between the Bush admin, the Europeans are now planning to build their own sattelite tech(named Galileo, IIRC, google it for more info).
Next thing you know, they'll be another arms race. However, instead of the U.S. versus the USSR, it's more like the U.S. versus the world.
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Well, I think that pretty much covers it!
End of discussion! On to a new topic!
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Could not agree anymore!After seeing the results of the poll and some of the posts in this thread I'm no longer suprised by the level of stupidity on GFY sometimes. All makes sense now....
Stalin was by far the biggest butcher and it is very hard to imagine what would happen if he was in Hitlers position (strong economy and military power) in the pre-WW II time and in the beggining of the war. Hitler was a monster too, no doubt, but Stalin was one of a kind.
Hitler is percieved as the biggest monster just because Stalin was lucky enough to be at the winning side when war ended. Same case as USA after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.. Imagine that Mussolini used the nukes - guess who would be the biggest monster then?
Some of you ppl should try to see the big picture (and i dont mean the picture on TV by that) every once in a while
The only thing I would add is that people should also look for information about the attacks on Desden - horrible attrocity, that very few people now about!Comment
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We're we too tough on the Nazi's or something in WWII?Originally posted by Odin88
Could not agree anymore!
The only thing I would add is that people should also look for information about the attacks on Desden - horrible attrocity, that very few people now about!
I mean..come on..yes, the bombing of Dresden did result in a lot of loss of civilian life. But that was also where the war plants were located. Hate to use the term "collateral damage", but that unfortunately was what it was. The U.S. was not bombing for the pure thrill of killing innocent civilians.
So I'm not ready to put that campaign on par with what Hitler & Stalin did!Comment
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Saddam killing people in his own country is terrible, though he is after all fucking up his own country which he sortof (can't be stuffed ranting about that)... bush on the other hand is fucking up the rest of the world to make a few of his buddies profiteverybody slags of bush, but no one seems to care that sadam killed millions of his OWN people. I find that hard to understand.
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We been there and done that???
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100,000+ dead in one night I think goes beyond collateral damage, no?Originally posted by Centurion
We're we too tough on the Nazi's or something in WWII?
I mean..come on..yes, the bombing of Dresden did result in a lot of loss of civilian life. But that was also where the war plants were located. Hate to use the term "collateral damage", but that unfortunately was what it was. The U.S. was not bombing for the pure thrill of killing innocent civilians.
So I'm not ready to put that campaign on par with what Hitler & Stalin did!Comment
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Stalin by far,
all the idiots on here who are lied to by the media will pick Hitler,
Stalin is never talked about as bad because he helped to crush the worlds "evil" at the time Hitler by his army defeating the Germans in the harsh Russian winters,
Stalin killed millions by starving them of their own food, many people fail to realize he was much more of a butcher than Hitler because of the Jewish media,
why do u think war stories always win Oscars!?Comment
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Oh PUKE!Originally posted by MetaMan
Stalin killed millions by starving them of their own food, many people fail to realize he was much more of a butcher than Hitler because of the Jewish media,
why do u think war stories always win Oscars!?
People like you with your racist views can
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Colin:
Why not? He is well qualified, runs a "state" with imprisonment without trial, invades other countries under the guise of "liberation", lies to the people who.. almost elected him, runs a secretive and unaccountable administration avoiding the "real" legislature. That is not any transparent democracy within the terms of the Constitution.I only added George Bush as a joke. I didn?t think anyone would choose him.
Johny Traffic:
DUH? You also one of the people who thought WMD were found in Iraq, Muslims are terrorists and that Saddam cooks babies in an oven??everybody slags of bush, but no one seems to care that sadam killed millions of his OWN people. I find that hard to understand.
Marv:
Agree with most of that!For example, the past policy was to allow Europe, Japan and other nations to use our space satellite technology. This was to prevent other nations from building it themselves. With the current rift between the Bush admin, the Europeans are now planning to build their own sattelite tech(named Galileo, IIRC, google it for more info).
Next thing you know, they'll be another arms race. However, instead of the U.S. versus the USSR, it's more like the U.S. versus the world.
However are more ways to conduct a "war" than using arms (even they are useless when "unconventional" methods are used). This has already started on an economic front and a multitude of other ways.
I doubt there will be much free trade between the Americas - many of these countries who would have traded with the US are already negotiating dealing with other regions as well as the US - ie Europe and Asia. They then have a choice of who to sleep with.
Predications are that Europe will strenghen it's arms, but not to the extent of the US - tis just not viable or needed. (US spends the equivalent in "defense" of the next top 20 countries combined - that says much).
This year, for the first time since WWII, there is a drop in "brand loyality" in US manufactured products worldwide. This ranges from Big Macs to Nike - only exception was an increase in the Ford brand - but the rest wiped out the Ford increase and it is now a fair deficit. These stats are only recently published and it is predicted the next set will show more substantial losing of US brand loyalty.
By the way one of the main reasons for Galileo is the EU does not want to rely on the US for this, - basically they are not trusted - yet more revenue lost.
I doubt anyone seriously has any ambitions on having a WWIII - tho you can't predict a clown in Washington. The first sway to "power" in regions comes strong economies - the rest follows on... military hardware being a bi- product which is "supposed" to be "power" - but in real life, only goes a third of the way.
Who is/was more evil? Gotta be Stalin with the others *almost* equal... Bush has a length to run yet - wait for this to change
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Ironhorse:
Well yeah!! If Adolf actually won the war, the scenario would reverse and there would be war crimes trials with the allies. You gotta be on the winning side.100,000+ dead in one night I think goes beyond collateral damage, no?
All these euphemisms are a joke...
"Friendly fire"... shit I can't imagine what is "friendly" about some ass firing at me - temptation is to puy a bullet in his brain! It ain't much comfort to know I was killed by the "good guys".
"Pre-emptive attack" ... Goes like this.. I tell the world my neighbor is gonna harm me. How do I know that? Because I supplied him with the means. The cops search his house and find nothing. But I don't like my neighbors attitude anyway, so I hop next door and bomb him and his family.
All inventive to keep the truth at bay
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hitler definitely was the most evil man in historyComment
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says the dude with no clueOriginally posted by taiboI sale fu-fme, hit me up for a killer deal!Comment
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he killed more people than HitlerOriginally posted by WhyComment
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Wow. There be idiots in this thread.
Let's see now.
Hitler killed 35 million and achieved nothing.
Stalin killed 30 million and achieved nothing.
Bush killed 10,000 (well actually these people died as a fault of the relevent dictator they lived under) but saved millions of others and has two former dictatorships on the way to democracy.
You don't have to like the guy, but to compare him to Hitler and Stalin is brain dead.Comment
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Hmm...I wonder why Mao and his Red Guard have not been mentioned as some have estimated that the Red Guard may have exterminated up to 10 million during the days of the purge.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Stalin does not have a much higher body count than Hitler. Hitler was also more directly responsible for deaths re: final solution and attacking Russia as opposed to starvationOriginally posted by TheJimmy
How many died under Stalin is still quite contentious.. some estimates say between 8 to 20 million...
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