Who is/was more evil? Hitler, Stalin, or Bush?

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  • uno
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    • Dec 2002
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    #106
    Originally posted by Kanoealoha


    mmm good question...

    I'm interested in it all...

    World Leaders, World Crisis and everything in between.

    Damn, that didn't narrow it huh
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    • Mr.Fiction
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      • Feb 2002
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      #107
      Originally posted by jimholio

      the comparison is unfortunately a sad reflection of our education system today
      It has little to do with the education system and a lot to do with the fact that people are living with one of these guys and the other two are long dead.

      Notice even the question says "is/was". The only answer if you ask yourself who "IS" the most evil is Visa or Bush. If you say who "was", then you have two other choices.

      It's like when they ask who the greatest president is/was. Many people always answer with Clinton and/or Reagan. Why? Because those two guys are the ones who have directly (not indirectly) affected the lives of the people being asked the question.

      This has little to do with education and everything to do with human nature.
      Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 07-17-2003, 03:34 PM.
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      • TheJimmy
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        • Jan 2001
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        #108
        Originally posted by Why
        what did stalin do that was so bad exacly, anyone got some cliff notes on stalin?

        much higher body count than Hitler...

        he was more efficient I guess...
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        • Centurion
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          • Dec 2002
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          #109
          Originally posted by TheJimmy



          much higher body count than Hitler...

          he was more efficient I guess...
          Not to mention Stalin was in power 30+ years and Hitler only for like 12 or so.

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          • ChrisH
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            • Aug 2001
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            #110
            Ahhh the morons of GFY.....

            To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.

            Stalin killed millions of his own people, and Hilter exterminated 6 million Jews.

            Bush will be out of office next year, so how anyone can say that he will be or is evil is plain stupid and completely assinine!!
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            • Mr.Fiction
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              • Feb 2002
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              #111
              Originally posted by ChrisH
              Ahhh the morons of GFY.....

              To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.
              Just to add a little fun to the "morons" comment.

              1933 - Hitler elected chancellor of Germany.

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              • Joe Average
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                • Jul 2003
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                #112
                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                Just to add a little fun to the "morons" comment.

                1933 - Hitler elected chancellor of Germany.

                Exactly... and he got a much higher percentage of the vote than Bush did.

                ChrisH is indeed the king of the morons.
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                • slackologist
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                  • Jul 2002
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                  #113
                  Originally posted by ChrisH
                  Ahhh the morons of GFY.....

                  To compare an elected leader to a dictator is just retarded and stupid.

                  Stalin killed millions of his own people, and Hilter exterminated 6 million Jews.

                  Bush will be out of office next year, so how anyone can say that he will be or is evil is plain stupid and completely assinine!!
                  1. hitler was elected. (though, yes after election he brought in some draconian laws( anti terrorist laws).

                  2. just because bush will be out of office next year in some round about way specifically means he's not evil?

                  3. what's wrong with comparing an elected leader to a dictator? tell us why it's "retarded and stupid" ( very insightful comments by the way.)

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                  • Ironhorse
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                    • Nov 2002
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                    #114
                    In truth, how far back in history do you want to look? There were far worse than Hitler and Stalin in this world I'm sure.

                    The mongolians enjoyed catapulting dead bodies into castles they were besieging and that's just touching the surface. Others improved on this technique and catapulted plague infested bodies into castles.

                    You've all heard of Vlad the Impaler I'm sure. He would impale all captured prisoners in front of the advancing turkish armies presenting a forest of impaled soldiers complete with the ravens and vultures picking at the sometimes still alive victims, poison all wells (with plague, mind you) and send lepers into the turkish camps at night, disguised as whores. Gory to say the least.

                    The aztecs kept an 'independent' county in the middle of their empire so they could raid them for sacrificial victims - usually removing their hearts at sunrise..while still alive.

                    But ultimately evil is still a matter of perspective, as the human mind can rationalize any act.
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                    • slackologist
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by Ironhorse
                      In truth, how far back in history do you want to look? There were far worse than Hitler and Stalin in this world I'm sure.

                      The mongolians enjoyed catapulting dead bodies into castles they were besieging and that's just touching the surface. Others improved on this technique and catapulted plague infested bodies into castles.

                      You've all heard of Vlad the Impaler I'm sure. He would impale all captured prisoners in front of the advancing turkish armies presenting a forest of impaled soldiers complete with the ravens and vultures picking at the sometimes still alive victims, poison all wells (with plague, mind you) and send lepers into the turkish camps at night, disguised as whores. Gory to say the least.

                      The aztecs kept an 'independent' county in the middle of their empire so they could raid them for sacrificial victims - usually removing their hearts at sunrise..while still alive.

                      But ultimately evil is still a matter of perspective, as the human mind can rationalize any act.
                      excellent points. but this thread seems to be asking us to compare the bush, stalin and hitler on the evil-o-meter not who was the most evil of all time..

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                      • GreenBooger
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                        • Apr 2002
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                        #116
                        gee golly


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                        • chodadog
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by GreenBooger
                          gee golly


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                          • butcherboy
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                            • Feb 2003
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                            #118
                            Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                            everybody slags of bush, but no one seems to care that sadam killed millions of his OWN people. I find that hard to understand.
                            Where did you learn that Sadam is killed milions?! From CNN?!!?

                            I think Bush is killed (and will kill) much more people.

                            The death of a few Americans must be worldwide tragedy, the death of Iraq mothers and children, assassinated in a bus is just a mistake....
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                            • DJRCyberAVS
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #119
                              Originally posted by basschick
                              dunno... but hitler didn't actually kill all those people - what he did was convince the germans of his fucked up agenda. no one ever blames those people - just hitler. but c'mon - if someone came to most of us and told us a few races and religions of people were evil and should be destroyed, hopefully most of us would tell them to fuck off.
                              Hitler did not take sole responsibility. That's why many of his high ranking officers stood trial after the war and many of his officers fled to escape execuction. 'Convince' the Germans is a pretty weak statement... On coming to power, his people thought him to be a great leader, even after his brainwashing of the children of Germany who were quite happy to turn their own parents in to be shot. Someone who can turn your own kids against you is trully evil. 'As for most of us would tell them to fuck off'... I doubt it. It's nice to look back and 'think' we've more sense and have superior intelligence, but if you lived in those times you would more than likely have the same opinion as those around you... one of surviving by keeping quiet.

                              Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Vlad, Ghengis and not forgetting Pol Pot were evil bastards. Bush is just a simpleton and can't and shouldn't be compared to these guys.

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                              • ADL Colin
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                                • Feb 2001
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                                #120
                                I would say because the people considered the most evil in history are considered such not only because of their temperment but because of their deeds and context. Would Hitler have been JUST as evil if he had been killed during World War I? One not only has to have a certain temperament but to act on it. Otherwise no one could know to what extent you are ?evil?. Evil thoughts, it seems to me, are not the same as evil deeds.

                                Of course, evil is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama is evil to some and the embodiment of good to others. I don?t really like the word ?evil?. Too many religious connotations and it?s vague. I would say if I were to call a world leader evil though, they would have to have committed inhumane acts on a grand scale and be viewed as in opposition to my world-view and political position.

                                I only added George Bush as a joke. I didn?t think anyone would choose him. I never thought anyone would rank the small-scale wars in Iraq and Afghanistan on the same scale as extermination and systematic genocide of tens of millions of people.

                                There is a recency factor as Mr. Fiction pointed out. That?s a great point. World War II is becoming ancient history. It?s veterans are dying off. But still, it seems like every other show on the History Channel is about Hitler and the bookstores seem to have their own Third Reich section. Fifty years from the now every other show on the History Channel is not going to be about George Bush?s Reich like every other show is about Hitler now. There is the difference. George Bush will have been just another president on the list. Hitler and Stalin were the pivotal figures of the twentieth century.


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