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SleazyDream 07-15-2003 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Randy
We hold onto religion because we have to believe that something is better out there than the life we lead.

We hold onto religion because we believe its moral foundations are what keep things in working order....dont murder, dont steal, dont covet....

We hold onto religion because we want that "get out of hell card for free" we keep in our back pocket....

Of course thats not say there is no higher power...God , The creator, energy...something....

I just dont think God cares whether your gay, that you wear makeup if your a women, that you wear a rolex, that you give $$ to his church, that your divorced, yada yada yada.

Between people blowing themselves up and bystanding innocent in the name of God and people like Pat Robertson praying "against people" like he did today in god's name it should make any body worry.

I went to a Baptist college and I can honestly say that I have a very strong grounding in faith, doctrin, biblical studies and the such. I have spent time learning as much as I can about other religions.

Have faith in a higher power, have faith in yourself, but don't put any faith in a religion.......

well said

Fletch XXX 07-15-2003 01:38 PM

Believe and trust only in the Baphomet.

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the Shemp 07-15-2003 01:41 PM

I am a Christian.
Jesus is just alright with me :)

LadyMischief 07-15-2003 01:43 PM

I am wiccan, and I chose my pagan lifestyle from many years of research in organized religion, and a long time asking myself what I truly DID believe.. .So instead of trying to find a religion to feed me beliefs, I found out what I believed within myself, then found a belief system that was already in accord with that.

I'm pagan and proud of it.

dropped9 07-15-2003 01:44 PM

I am roman catholic.. I was even an alterboy... LOL

But these things make me laugh!

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Thrawn$ 07-15-2003 01:46 PM

I m a the Messiah that jewish are waiting for :glugglug

TheEnforcer 07-15-2003 01:47 PM

No, I tell them I'm one of those godless heathen atheists!! :thumbsup

I have zero problems with religious people. My wife believes in God more than anyone I know. I DO have prolems with people that want to put their religion in your face constantly and want it everywhere ingovernment, etc.

TheEnforcer 07-15-2003 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by loverboy
Faith! It what binds us together, and not religion.
VERY good point!!

People of faith don't bother me one bit. People of religion are another matter altogether.

completetosser 07-15-2003 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Thrawn$
I m a the Messiah that jewish are waiting for :glugglug
I'd keep well away from Dogwoods then :)

brutus 07-15-2003 01:52 PM

I believe >>> Big Guns

Jizzman 07-15-2003 01:54 PM

Oh father high in heaven - smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games - his women and his gun.
Oh Jesus save me!
And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood
to set the white man free.
Oh Jesus save me!
If Jesus saves - well, He'd better save Himself
from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon
His cross was rather bloody
He could hardly roll His stone.
Oh Jesus save me!

Brujah 07-15-2003 02:03 PM

" If current trends continue, Christianity will become a minority religion in the U.S. about the year 2042, and in Canada about 2023."

Jeffery 07-15-2003 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
There's a lot more to being a "Christian" then just saying you are one to spark a conversation. Thats what I hate about "Christians".... they throw that term around so easy, but never live the life.

I was a Youth & Music pastor in a very large "Christian" church for 10 years and grew up in the church and stayed until I was thirty. When I look back I can;t beleive I hung out with such fake, lieing bastards! Even with what I do now... I am more of a "Christian" then 90% of those holy rollers I used to hang out with three times a week when I was a pastor.

You can't be either/or with Christ. If people ask me now if I am a Christian.. I say NO! Even though I was raised that way and went to church and lived in a "Christian" family... I still say NO. It's lifestyle... not a title.

Ok.. off my soap box now! lol

True Scotsman Fallacy:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#scots

Used by Atheists to point out problems with religions

Tofu 07-15-2003 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


I'm pagan and proud of it.


mule 07-15-2003 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream


historically, Jesus did live.

Yep, but he's insanely overrated. His miracles are hype, his philosophy sucks. He had some good PR people and spin doctors, that's all

ytcracker 07-15-2003 02:15 PM

i think everyone can agree that the ten commandments are pretty basic rules to live by

keep your hands off my wife and quit coveting my escalade and i wont kill you or steal

fair

the Shemp 07-15-2003 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Brujah
" If current trends continue, Christianity will become a minority religion in the U.S. about the year 2042, and in Canada about 2023."
is that due to the immigration polices? or Jimmy Swaggart?

X37375787 07-15-2003 02:17 PM

"Religion ist das Opium des Volkes."

Jeffery 07-15-2003 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by mule

Yep, but he's insanely overrated. His miracles are hype, his philosophy sucks. He had some good PR people and spin doctors, that's all

I've always wondered how things like religions get started.

One theory of mine: 2,000 years ago, paranoid schizophrenics were not diagnosed, drugged, or put in hospitals. They just wondered the earth telling everyone about the wonderful voices and visions they had...

Not all schizophrenics are violent and without the knowledge of it being a sickness, they could easily believe their visions as truths -- and determine that a "higher power" was talking to them.

Jeffery 07-15-2003 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
i think everyone can agree that the ten commandments are pretty basic rules to live by

keep your hands off my wife and quit coveting my escalade and i wont kill you or steal

fair

Coveting thy neighbor's goods. As George Carlin says... That is just plain fucking stupid. Coveting keeps the economy in line. Your neighbor gets a turbo-charged vibrator ejaculating dildo... you wanna go get one too. Coveting is good, leave it alone.

basschick 07-15-2003 02:23 PM

i am not christian, nor was i raised to be so. i do believe in a higher power, and i don't believe that a higher power would have a gender - why would it have, when gender is about reproduction?

i am constantly amazed at the number of people who say they are christians when they do not follow the word of christ - which is fully available to all in the bible.

i have only known a few people who consider themselves christian who i also consider christian. or that's the way i'm reading it, and i have read the bible. people who do not judge, do not live for money or power (whether over their own children or over a larger group) and who love unconditionally - as jesus says to in the bible. if you're willing to kill for ANY reason, you are going against the commandments - and this ain't court. your ultimate intentions count, not just having an excuse.

ytcracker 07-15-2003 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery


Coveting thy neighbor's goods. As George Carlin says... That is just plain fucking stupid. Coveting keeps the economy in line. Your neighbor gets a turbo-charged vibrator ejaculating dildo... you wanna go get one too. Coveting is good, leave it alone.

george carlin narrowed it way down and he is correct for our current societal state

the simple fact of the matter is, in a perfect, ideally utopian (albeit communist) society, people would be content with what they have and live to serve others. i wouldn't mind being a doctor working for free helping to stitch a farmer up because that farmer picks food so i don't have to.

etc etc etc jesus saves

Brujah 07-15-2003 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

is that due to the immigration polices? or Jimmy Swaggart?

Islam is on the rise. Probably from 12clicks recruiting practices.

Daymare 07-15-2003 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
there are no christians in this industry.
Wrong

I am.

Thrawn$ 07-15-2003 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery


I've always wondered how things like religions get started.


Son of god start that shit, and he ask his sons to be our kings and lead us like sheeps :thumbsup

Sharpie 07-15-2003 02:28 PM

Don't they usually ask if you are Prostestant, Catholic, Jewish, or other?

You ask 50 people "what is a Christian" and you will get 50 different answers....

Jeffery 07-15-2003 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by ytcracker


george carlin narrowed it way down and he is correct for our current societal state

And of course, I don't worship George Carlin. The Coveting line was written before assembly lines. So coveting a neighbor's goods meant that you were coveting one paticular thing on the earth that could not be duplicated -- so the only way to possess that good was to steal it.

Nice society, yep a little too communist and ultimately flawed.

TheJimmy 07-15-2003 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Brujah


Islam is on the rise. Probably from 12clicks recruiting practices.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

PerfectionGirls 07-15-2003 02:37 PM

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I am wiccan, and I chose my pagan lifestyle from many years of research in organized religion, and a long time asking myself what I truly DID believe.. .So instead of trying to find a religion to feed me beliefs, I found out what I believed within myself, then found a belief system that was already in accord with that.
Religion at its basic root is Paganism. It all can be lumped into one heading which would be Pagen. To say you are Pagen as to say you are set apart from "traditional" religous practices is nieve. This is not ment as an insult at all.. I hope you understand that. Every form of religion is based on a pagenistic belief system.

sacX 07-15-2003 02:43 PM

i'm not religious, too cynical to take a 'leap of faith'..

would be nice to believe i'm sure, but I can't do it.

sacX 07-15-2003 02:47 PM

which reminds me of this quote from Bush Sr.

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"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."

Fletch XXX 07-15-2003 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Daymare


Wrong

I am.

Nah, you just call yourself one ;)

Tofu 07-15-2003 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Religion at its basic root is Paganism. It all can be lumped into one heading which would be Pagen. To say you are Pagen as to say you are set apart from "traditional" religous practices is nieve. This is not ment as an insult at all.. I hope you understand that. Every form of religion is based on a pagenistic belief system.

"Peganism" is often referred to by Pegans as "the old religion", or "the ancient religion". Its no secret that most religious practices stem from Pegans (i.e.- the YULE log, Xmas trees). Its the other beliefs that are uninformed...Pegans are usually equiped with this info while studying.

:2 cents:

NetRodent 07-15-2003 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Tofu-Adult.com


"Peganism" is often referred to by Pegans as "the old religion", or "the ancient religion". Its no secret that most religious practices stem from Pegans (i.e.- the YULE log, Xmas trees). Its the other beliefs that are uninformed...Pegans are usually equiped with this info while studying.

:2 cents:

That's neopaganism. There's a slight difference. A Wiccan is not the same as a Druid, or an Asatru'er or a Kemetic, etc. There isn't one old religion there are many.

thatdykeliz 07-15-2003 03:15 PM

Eclectic Dianic Wiccan, with some Discordian thrown in there to spice things up. Hail Eris!

xxxjay 07-15-2003 03:25 PM

satan rulz

Donny 07-15-2003 03:37 PM

I am an Assembly of God Pastor's son. I've been raised in BS all my life.

Christian Literally means (according to the Bible) "Christ Like". Therefore, there are VERY FEW Christians.

And there are NO Christians in this business, no matter what one wishes to believe. Christ would not be involved in this business. He may hang out and be non-judgemental of people in the business, but he wouldn't be involved in it.

Religion is just a psychological way for people to deal with certain issues. Take death for example: if your 3 year old was just killed by a random drive by, you WANT to believe you'll see him again. The reality of the senseless loss would screw up too many people's heads. Religion allows people to cope with day to day realities without going crazy.

The reality of life is that there may or may not be a higher power (I believe there is) but even if there IS a higher power, it doesn't give a shit about us and there will NOT be an afterlife.

Helix 07-15-2003 03:44 PM

Karma

Unfed 07-15-2003 03:46 PM

technology is god

LadyMischief 07-15-2003 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


Religion at its basic root is Paganism. It all can be lumped into one heading which would be Pagen. To say you are Pagen as to say you are set apart from "traditional" religous practices is nieve. This is not ment as an insult at all.. I hope you understand that. Every form of religion is based on a pagenistic belief system.

Actually I know exactly what you mean.. in fact a lot of major "religious" holidays have their basic roots in paganism. However the belief systems are much different, as are the beliefs about the "afterlife" and the "godhead" itself.

They integrated paganism into "organized" religion to make it more appealing to the masses who were already entrenched in paganism and had been for centuries. Myself, however, and many like me DO have different belief systems. I simply choose to categorize it as "pagan" as oppossed to any specific camp of wicca or earth religions, because everyone has their own way of communing with the powers that be, and I prefer not to have any restrictions put on my beliefs by stereotypes. What I believe and how I practice is between myself and mother earth.


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