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Gemini 07-13-2003 07:53 AM

You don't know what 'aff' stands for yet your a solid producer for sponsors? *smacking forehead*

Wouldn't know about a father flipping burgers. Mine retired as a Army Officer. ;-) P Was it YOUR Daddy that worked at Mickey D's?? If he did, I'm betting that SD just switched to Whoppers over Big Macs!

candyflip 07-13-2003 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


And you just came to the root of the entire thing in one post ;) Btw, hit me up sweets!

I'm heading down the lake for a few...my sea doo is calling my name and it's beautiful. Drop your ICQ digits here and I'll give you a shout when I get back.

Try not to miss "Dad" and I too much :Graucho

LadyMischief 07-13-2003 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by candyflip


I'm heading down the lake for a few...my sea doo is calling my name and it's beautiful. Drop your ICQ digits here and I'll give you a shout when I get back.

Try not to miss "Dad" and I too much :Graucho

ahahhaha wildo :P
3522039.

Cassie 07-13-2003 07:58 AM

people like this thrive off of the attention you are giving him. like n*cro, g*nod*de and the rest of the idiots of recent, just ignore him and he will go away. i promise:winkwink:

he will get bored talking to himself and find another source of amusement. for now, you are giving him all the amusment he needs in one day. dont fuel his appetite!

JFPdude 07-13-2003 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


NO - I do not believe it is that simple.
Freedom of speech never is.

Intend to present - my research live here for discussion.

I do not want to be "blinded" by curses and swearing ... like I admit I was in other threads.

LadyMischief presented some valuable links - that I missed because of my "emotions". I would prefer this does not ocurr in this thread.


You know what ... screw it ... put up your sites as you see fit and as we see fit we will take them down.

I have watched how you are interpreting these laws after I even went so far as calling you long distance on my dime.

The law is laid out for a reason ... if you cannot afford an attorney on these matters and feel your "free speech" will cover you please feel free to post what you want.

We will feel free to have your sites pulled and possibly forever banned with ICANN.

A week of this and you still don't get what we are saying .... This is beyond pathetic and I have held my cool all through it as you know from the phone conversation.


Your tired of what you call fluff and fodder from us ... we are tired of explaining the same simple laws to you.



******* Go back to work folks nothing to see here !! *******

MattO 07-13-2003 08:45 AM

posted this last night but no one was interested, thought I'd put it here since the answer is in this thread



http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=152300

DJRCyberAVS 07-13-2003 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JFPdude


You know what ... screw it ... put up your sites as you see fit and as we see fit we will take them down.

Yeah, hard to believe that after you called this stain on the industry, that he's still clueless.
SexEd

Quote:

The quality of my website is also irrelevant to whether on a whole - I a global magazine of sexual intercourse has a right to "quote" graphics used throughout the internet - as evidence of pornography's affect on society.
No, you have no right to quote/publish graphics you do not have a license for. Your 'website' does not fall within the fair use boundaries. If you can't understand that, then you need an attorney - it is that simple. Why do you think legal representaion costs money - because they are keeping you on the right side of the law. GFY is not the 'Legal Charity Organization'..... did you seen a sign on the way in which said 'Cheap Punk Ass, Get Free Legal Advice Here'.

Quote:

I can not afford to - otherwise I would.
I am not against the adult industry.
I do believe some changes need to be made though.
But you can afford to buy a shit load of domain names right? BUT can't afford a few cheap sets of licensed content? Changes need to be made? That comment coming from you is a classic. Stopping content theives as such is a good first step to take...

"No aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name."
Do me a favour please... fuck off making comment slike that. Stick to your topic and cut out the meaningless bollox.

CDSmith 07-13-2003 02:04 PM

Okay, so I went and had a look at this "sexecucation.com" site. I must say, truthfully it is a dog's breakfast. Huge-assed font for some reason, maybe for the sight-impaired? Much of what is written there looks to be nonsense and gibberish, many of his sentences aren't even a complete thought. I'm not sure how one can present themself as being a *teacher* or have anything to do with education when he can't even express a coherent thought. Why a surfer would be motivated to whip out their CC over a goofy page like that is beyond me.


Conclusion: el boneheado.

MadCap 07-13-2003 02:06 PM

DUDE FUCK OFF

malakajoe 07-13-2003 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


I can not afford to - otherwise I would.
I am not against the adult industry.
I do believe some changes need to be made though.

Adults have a right to reasonable access to adult content.
Children have a right to reasonable access to the information age.

Somewhere - in between these two rights - is the new evolving adult industry.

Are you still saying you want minors to access your site? If you only had articles and helping..then that could be debated.

BUT you are still talking about having nude pictures on your site. You are promoting your site as an adult website, even if you state you aren't.

Get a fuckin clue.

malakajoe 07-13-2003 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by candyflip


Sex Education and the Adult Business are not the same thing, and should not mix...especially when minors may be involved. They don't have to be. You should be able to present your "education" with out presenting porn at the same time.

I took classes in Junior High, High School and College that were "sex ed" classes. Not once did a teacher need to use pornography to illustrate a point.

Very well said..but unforunately, this idiot thinks he knows how to teach...and will teach what he wants. He has no education in sexual education, just that he is a "dad" of a teenage son (by his own words).

I believe more than anything, this one part sums it up on this idiot. Even more than the stealing of content.

"Vaginal Orgasm is a lie" followed by "Majority of women cannot have a vaginal orgasm" followed by "It is a lie since the majority can't, so that is why I call it a lie".

The dude is so dumb he doesn't even understand a lie from a rarity. He is spreading false information, by his own admission.

One wish I have is for him to lose his site, and for someone that really wants to help and teach the truth of sexual education gets the site.

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by candyflip


Sex Education and the Adult Business are not the same thing, and should not mix...especially when minors may be involved. They don't have to be. You should be able to present your "education" with out presenting porn at the same time.

I took classes in Junior High, High School and College that were "sex ed" classes. Not once did a teacher need to use pornography to illustrate a point.

Sex education is an adult concern. The "adult business" is affecting teenagers when they view aroused genitals and reproductive bodily fluids on directly accessed domains. Adults are concerned what teenagers are viewing on the internet. Do you really think - curious teenagers - close their eyes - and do not take your tours? Come on - grow up.

The same pictures presented in a medical book not considered porn - but presented as a TGP collection is porn. Learn the difference between porn, erotica and nude graphics.

More and more high schools are using "real" pictures to teach "internet savy" students. Get your facts straight.

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by malakajoe


Very well said..but unforunately, this idiot thinks he knows how to teach...and will teach what he wants. He has no education in sexual education, just that he is a "dad" of a teenage son (by his own words).

I believe more than anything, this one part sums it up on this idiot. Even more than the stealing of content.

"Vaginal Orgasm is a lie" followed by "Majority of women cannot have a vaginal orgasm" followed by "It is a lie since the majority can't, so that is why I call it a lie".

The dude is so dumb he doesn't even understand a lie from a rarity. He is spreading false information, by his own admission.

One wish I have is for him to lose his site, and for someone that really wants to help and teach the truth of sexual education gets the site.

I present alternative forms of discussion/intercourse that Parents may optionally use for discussion with their teens.

Where the majority of people believe something - yet for the majority of people it does not happen - it is a global lie.
You're trying to split hairs.

Go ahead and buy the site - lets see if you can do a better job ...roflmao...

I will reply to the other posts ...
after a break...

MadCap 07-13-2003 05:16 PM

Man What are you still doing here you lame fuck this is an adult webmaster board. We've all seen enough sex to be educated.



SO GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU FUCKIN RE PEDO FUCK.......... FUCK OFF

FATPad 07-13-2003 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


Where the majority of people believe something - yet for the majority of people it does not happen - it is a global lie.
You're trying to split hairs.

You're an idiot. :)

I believe in siamese twins. Siamese twins are not very common, most people are not born as siamese twins. According to you, siamese twins are now a global lie.

You might very well be the dumbest person on this board, and that is quite an accomplishment.

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
You're an idiot. :)

I believe in siamese twins. Siamese twins are not very common, most people are not born as siamese twins. According to you, siamese twins are now a global lie.

You might very well be the dumbest person on this board, and that is quite an accomplishment.

I believe in siamese twins.
Most people believe in siamese twins.
Siamese twins are NOT a lie and do occur.

LadyMischief 07-13-2003 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


Sex education is an adult concern. The "adult business" is affecting teenagers when they view aroused genitals and reproductive bodily fluids on directly accessed domains. Adults are concerned what teenagers are viewing on the internet. Do you really think - curious teenagers - close their eyes - and do not take your tours? Come on - grow up.

The same pictures presented in a medical book not considered porn - but presented as a TGP collection is porn. Learn the difference between porn, erotica and nude graphics.

More and more high schools are using "real" pictures to teach "internet savy" students. Get your facts straight.

You are a fucking piece of work, alright. The images that are on adult-oriented sites are FAR different than what would be found in ANY teaching textbook. I don't think guys in textbooks are anally piledriving pornstars... do you? I don't even ever recall seeing REAL images of coitus ANYWHERE. What the FUCK do you know about the adult industry? You have NOTHING to do with it. Would you fuck off already and stop pretending you know something? Your website is shit, you can't write for shit, your "ideas" are about as shitty as they come. You're just turning out to be a good old turdfest, aren't ya pal? The one ally you MIGHT have had YOU alienated with your own stupidity. YOu should be banned, and that's about it. I'm going to be contacting your sponsors again as well. Good fucking luck.

FATPad 07-13-2003 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


I believe in siamese twins.
Most people believe in siamese twins.
Siamese twins are NOT a lie and do occur.

So do vaginal orgasms, fucknut.

MadCap 07-13-2003 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


You are a fucking piece of work, alright. The images that are on adult-oriented sites are FAR different than what would be found in ANY teaching textbook. I don't think guys in textbooks are anally piledriving pornstars... do you? I don't even ever recall seeing REAL images of coitus ANYWHERE. What the FUCK do you know about the adult industry? You have NOTHING to do with it. Would you fuck off already and stop pretending you know something? Your website is shit, you can't write for shit, your "ideas" are about as shitty as they come. You're just turning out to be a good old turdfest, aren't ya pal? The one ally you MIGHT have had YOU alienated with your own stupidity. YOu should be banned, and that's about it. I'm going to be contacting your sponsors again as well. Good fucking luck.

Couldnt have said it better myself:thumbsup

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


You are a fucking piece of work, alright. The images that are on adult-oriented sites are FAR different than what would be found in ANY teaching textbook. I don't think guys in textbooks are anally piledriving pornstars... do you? I don't even ever recall seeing REAL images of coitus ANYWHERE. What the FUCK do you know about the adult industry? You have NOTHING to do with it. Would you fuck off already and stop pretending you know something? Your website is shit, you can't write for shit, your "ideas" are about as shitty as they come. You're just turning out to be a good old turdfest, aren't ya pal? The one ally you MIGHT have had YOU alienated with your own stupidity. YOu should be banned, and that's about it. I'm going to be contacting your sponsors again as well. Good fucking luck.

"I don't think guys in textbooks are anally piledriving pornstars... do you?"
NO but you see this in the tours available to teenagers everywhere without age verification and therefor it is a new concern that must be addressed by modern parents.

" I don't even ever recall seeing REAL images of coitus ANYWHERE."
Exactly - that is why this issue of pornography must be delt with in an open manner. Pornography is not real sex - I agree. I think this should be discussed. SexEducation.com is a global magazine of sexual intercourse.

No problem ...
This is a very emotional issue for all.
Me too.

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:26 PM

Look ... I started at 4:00 AM its almost 6:30 ...
I really am just a Father ...
I would like to read and contemplate your answers ...
I really am trying to learn from this discussion ...

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:32 PM

[ you're welcome ... ]

LadyMischief 07-13-2003 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
Look ... I started at 4:00 AM its almost 6:30 ...
I really am just a Father ...
I would like to read and contemplate your answers ...
I really am trying to learn from this discussion ...

Ask yourself this.. Would you actually take your own kid through your website? And if so, you're a sicko.. Talking about sex openly is one thing.. Exposing minors to sexually oriented materials is illegal. It's called sexual interferance, it will put you in jail. It's wrong. You are a crackhead.

sexeducation 07-13-2003 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


Ask yourself this.. Would you actually take your own kid through your website? And if so, you're a sicko.. Talking about sex openly is one thing.. Exposing minors to sexually oriented materials is illegal. It's called sexual interferance, it will put you in jail. It's wrong. You are a crackhead.

I will reply to you ...
but not tonight ...
The reason is .. FJPDude said you were quite knowledgable in the industry ... I believe him .. and I believe him about you ... I think it is just your emotions right now ...

What we are discussing is a very controversial subject.
I recommend you collect your thoughts ...

sexeducation 07-14-2003 05:36 AM

Many of the links on the
Standford University Article ...
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/articles/
do not seem to be working.

However ...
This appears to be a good website for the basics on "fair use".

http://www.nolo.com
Their slogon is
Over 30 years - putting the law into plain english.

I don't have time right now to study AND post replys.
This morning is a study morning at that website.

Dad@

LadyMischief 07-14-2003 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


I will reply to you ...
but not tonight ...
The reason is .. FJPDude said you were quite knowledgable in the industry ... I believe him .. and I believe him about you ... I think it is just your emotions right now ...

What we are discussing is a very controversial subject.
I recommend you collect your thoughts ...

I recommend you prepare yourself for a long jail term. You tell me it's time to change MY thinking? Sorry pal, you don't know SHIT. You better start "upgrading" your thinking, because your current mindset is going to make you bubba's bitch.

Webby 07-14-2003 05:43 AM

sexeducation:
Quote:

Many of the links on the
Standford University Article ...
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/articles/
do not seem to be working.

However ...
This appears to be a good website for the basics on "fair use".

http://www.nolo.com
Their slogon is
Over 30 years - putting the law into plain english.

I don't have time right now to study AND post replys.
This morning is a study morning at that website.

Dad@

Once again.. you are a child pornographer, liar, thief, and sex offender - sue my ass off!

Study morning at where??? You don't have a website idiot! Tis a shell of very bad HTML!

Fuck off out of GFY scumbag!!




Gemini 07-14-2003 05:52 AM

putting the law into plain english....

It might be a great site to help someone understand what an attorney has told them, but don't EVER believe that you can read Law in English or Legalese and think yourself profficient in interpreting how the Legal System interprets it. Why do you think it takes so long to get thru lawschool?? The days of Abraham Lincolns' reading Blackstone and then practicing law passed well over 100 years ago. :warning

sexeducation 07-14-2003 05:56 AM

This is an excellent website ...
http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/a...12FE5C119B5806

Here is one of five basic rules posted on that page ...

"Rule 2: Don't Compete With the Source You're Copying From

Without consent, you ordinarily cannot use another person's protected expression in a way that impairs (or even potentially impairs) the market for his or her work. Thus, if you want to use an author's protected expression in a work of your own that is similar to the prior work and aimed at the same market, your intended use isn't likely a fair use."


So it appears - if I am in the "adult business" AND quote the expressions of the "adult business" - which could interfere with another website's "potential market" then "fair use" WOULD NOT apply.

It appears - that I may have to make a decision - to GET OUT of the adult business - if I wish to discuss the adult business.
You guys may get your wish afterall... : )

I have not decided yet - what the new business model of SexEducation.com will be.

Somehow - I have to make the website self supporting.
And I have not been able to do that for many years.
And I have tried many many ways ...

Got to get ready for work.
Have a great day everyone.

Dad@

PS: I love this UBB - if I had the bucks I would install one on SexEducation.ORG or create a board.SexEducation.com or something.

MattO 07-14-2003 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

It appears - that I may have to make a decision - to GET OUT of the adult business -


FUCKING GO

FATPad 07-14-2003 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
This is an excellent website ...
http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/a...12FE5C119B5806

Here is one of five basic rules posted on that page ...

"Rule 2: Don't Compete With the Source You're Copying From

Without consent, you ordinarily cannot use another person's protected expression in a way that impairs (or even potentially impairs) the market for his or her work. Thus, if you want to use an author's protected expression in a work of your own that is similar to the prior work and aimed at the same market, your intended use isn't likely a fair use."


So it appears - if I am in the "adult business" AND quote the expressions of the "adult business" - which could interfer anothers websites "potential market" then "fair use" WOULD NOT apply.

It appears - that I may have to make a decision - to GET OUT of the adult business - if I wish to discuss the adult business.
You guys may get your wish afterall... : )

I have not decided yet - what the new business model of SexEducation.com will be.

Somehow - I have to make the website self supporting.
And I have not been able to do that for many years.
And I have tried many many ways ...

Got to get ready for work.
Have a great day everyone.

Dad@

PS: I love this UBB - if I had the bucks I would install one on SexEducation.ORG or create a board.SexEducation.com or something.

So now you're admitting to being in the adult industry and trying to show hardcore porn to kids?

Webby 07-14-2003 06:02 AM

sexeducation:

Quote:

I have not decided yet - what the new business model of SexEducation.com will be.
Why do you spout such utter crap when you have broken every law in the book??

Who give a shit about your "business model" - I understand from others that aspect of your life is equally as perverse as your "philosophy" in "sex education" - especially with children.

Now...:321GFY

sexeducation 07-14-2003 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
So now you're admitting to being in the adult industry and trying to show hardcore porn to kids?
SexEducation.com is an adult website of alternative intercourse/discussions where more modern Parents can choose from hundreds of articles which discuss sex.

Yes - Parents have children.
Yes - children have questions about sex.

Yes - SexEducation.com discusses in an adult manner - questions posed by those less then legal age.

I am referring to a business model of opening up SexEducation.com ... and then advertising my other websites like AdultSexTechniques.com. My current thinking is - this may not be possible if I wish to continue discussing the adult industry - which I have not decided either.

Webby 07-14-2003 06:11 AM

sexeducation:

Quote:

I am referring to a business model of opening up SexEducation.com ... and then advertising my other websites like AdultSexTechniques.com. My current thinking is - this may not be possible if I wish to continue discussing the adult industry - which I have not decided either.
Your current thinking is that of a CHILD MOLESTER.. before you think that you may be important in some way, know this - it ain't a good idea to be either involved in the adult biz or in *any* discussion about "sex education" with children or parents.

You have no qualification!!! DUH?

Now.. once again ....:321GFY

Jakke PNG 07-14-2003 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


SexEducation.com is an adult website of alternative intercourse/discussions where more modern Parents can choose from hundreds of articles which discuss sex.

No it's not.

sexeducation 07-14-2003 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattO



FUCKING GO

I understand your desire.

However ... If I am "in the business" then the quotation of content (text or graphics or other) is severely limited.

So you actually want me "in the business" because in a sense it "silences" me from using graphics as illustrations of what I am discussing about the adult industry.

It's interesting stuff really ...

I haven't decided yet what I am going to do except for doing more research.

Dad@

LadyMischief 07-14-2003 03:30 PM

The noose is tightening... How's dear old dad doing? I'm sure he's gonna be really happy when he hears the news.

sexeducation 07-14-2003 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
sexeducation:



Why do you spout such utter crap when you have broken every law in the book??

Who give a shit about your "business model" - I understand from others that aspect of your life is equally as perverse as your "philosophy" in "sex education" - especially with children.

Now...:321GFY

children = those who are not yet reproductively capable

teen/adolescent = those who are capable of reproduction but not yet of "legal age"

There is nothing on my website for "children".

There is some content on my website that a Parent Adult (IMO) should allow their teen to access. For example; the article titled "Let Teens Have Sex" teaches abstinence.

Do not pretend you know me - because you do not.

sexeducation 07-14-2003 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
The noose is tightening... How's dear old dad doing? I'm sure he's gonna be really happy when he hears the news.
Well spill it ... or is it a secret ?

sexeducation 07-14-2003 03:43 PM

No reply ... okay

Well I have some "fair use" studying I want to do.
And some website building - I want to do.

quiet 07-14-2003 03:46 PM

hands down the creepiest poster on gfy.

Jakke PNG 07-14-2003 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
hands down the creepiest poster on gfy.
No shit. I get goosebumps.

LadyMischief 07-14-2003 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


children = those who are not yet reproductively capable

teen/adolescent = those who are capable of reproduction but not yet of "legal age"

There is nothing on my website for "children".

There is some content on my website that a Parent Adult (IMO) should allow their teen to access. For example; the article titled "Let Teens Have Sex" teaches abstinence.

Do not pretend you know me - because you do not.

That's why you have a button to your Sexeducation site on www.horseforum.com, where kids (who take riding lessons) post, right? So you can assail them with Swoit advertising and content? Very smart.

LadyMischief 07-14-2003 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation


Well spill it ... or is it a secret ?

You'll find out heh.

LadyMischief 07-14-2003 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
hands down the creepiest poster on gfy.
you don't know the half of it. Really.

Holly 07-14-2003 04:02 PM

Gee, my feelings are sorta hurt. :( Dad didn't reply to me in the other thread. Let me go check my new email addy. Maybe he hit me up there. :)

sexeducation 07-14-2003 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Holly
Gee, my feelings are sorta hurt. :( Dad didn't reply to me in the other thread. Let me go check my new email addy. Maybe he hit me up there. :)
I can not keep up to multiple threads ...
I try to reply to the ones I start ... and the master thread SexEducation.com which started all this mess.

What thread are you referring to?

sexeducation 07-14-2003 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


That's why you have a button to your Sexeducation site on www.horseforum.com, where kids (who take riding lessons) post, right? So you can assail them with Swoit advertising and content? Very smart.

You're grasping at straws ...
You're still on a witch hunt ...
and this post has NOTHING to do with the topic thread ...

Is this a discussion group where discussions take place or what?
From now on your fluff and fodder comments will be replied to in the thread "SexEducation.com" ...

This thread is a discussion on "Fair Use" .. which you in part taught me about..

Holly 07-14-2003 04:44 PM

Oh sorry, Dad. I didn't see your post. I was wishing a big congrats about the wedding last December in the guest book. Too bad about everything getting canceled this year, though. :(

sexeducation 07-14-2003 04:50 PM

The way I am reading things about "fair use" is that one of the major criteria is if you profit from the inclusion of someone elses graphics on your website.

So ... my previous "file server" which was programmed to block specific videos and graphics from showing in articles - which Parents found inappropriate for the "maturity" level of their teens - could be construed to be a "gallery" ... but to me it was a "content filter" ...

However, I am thinking that if I screen captured - and included the entire web browser screen - which also - included the graphic I am discussing/critiquing or making comments about - this would raise my "fair use" of graphics contained on other websites.

In a sense, that would be like a photographer taking a picture of a monitor ...

I am getting a handle on this rather quickly ...
What you don't know - is I am a quick study.

I just want to point out - that I have NOT decided yet what I am going to do ....

This is just a discussion of "fair use" and how an online magazine critiquing the adult industry can be done ...
IMO


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