Which sponsors won't lower payouts because of the new Visa rules ?

[web4x]

So far I know Cecash and Gigacash.

[Carrie]

Could you drop a link to where Gigacash has said this as well?

[web4x]

Dear GigaCash Webmasters,

As many of you may have heard already Visa just
issued a new chargeback policy which reduces tolerable
chargeback ratios to 1%.

Rest assured GigaCash has always had extremely low
chargebacks due to our proactive fraud watch policies.

You are in solid hands with GigaCash. Regardless of such
obstacles we will continue paying *TOP* industry payouts.

Payouts will remain the same as we complete our assessment
of these new policies next week and will keep you informed of
any and all changes via email and our website.



Sincerely,

- HELMY

[Mr.Fiction]

Orgasm Cash:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=151849

[Mike AI]

These programs have something in common....

Put it together.




Yeah yeah yeah, I know I am a "hater"! hahaha

[DarkJedi]

http://zoomoney.com/

[Carrie]

Thanks, web. I'm making a list as company reps step forward and say whether they're lowering or not and I like to see the "official" word. ;)

Oh Mike, you big hater you

[Stallion]

dollarmachine as well.

[Carrie]

Btw, my list so far:

Lowering payouts or "making changes soon":
Silvercash
ARS
Megapornbucks
Capital Bucks
Pornkings
Traffic Cash Gold
Topbucks
Adult Platinum/aka Lensman (not sure which program he means, APlat or AmPages or Playboy so just say Lens' programs)

Not lowering payouts:
CE Cash
Orgasm Cash
Python/Dollar Machine
Pimproll
Legendary Lars
Gigacash

Still deciding/running numbers:
SIC Cash

[thefreakybeaver]

Originally posted by Mike AI
These programs have something in common....

Put it together.




Yeah yeah yeah, I know I am a "hater"! hahaha

Enlighten me, what is it they have in common?

[thefreakybeaver]

Originally posted by Carrie
Btw, my list so far:

Lowering payouts or "making changes soon":
Silvercash
ARS
Megapornbucks
Capital Bucks
Pornkings
Traffic Cash Gold
Topbucks
Adult Platinum/aka Lensman (not sure which program he means, APlat or AmPages or Playboy so just say Lens' programs)

Not lowering payouts:
CE Cash
Orgasm Cash
Python/Dollar Machine
Pimproll
Legendary Lars
Gigacash

Still deciding/running numbers:
SIC Cash

Thanks for the list! This will be very helpful to many as we don't all have time to read the boards all day.

I sincerely hope siccash thinks long and hard on this one because they just recently lowered their payouts!

[Carrie]

It's mainly been just monitoring one or two threads throughout the day, refreshing now and then.
But yeah, other than putting together a newsletter this morning, I've done nothing today other than watch who's landing on what side of this issue - the results will decide who my traffic will go to.

I think you'll see SIC lowering again. If they stay with Epoch they'll have to really change their cross-sells on the join forms and that will directly impact the amount they can payout (unless they decide to just eat the cost).

[SexkeyCraig]

Hey Everyone,
In response to the question about free avs's I can respond that Sexkey.com and Mansites.com is going forward.

We are, however, no longer going to use the term AVS or any term related to age verification, but we are a free membership site. I will also be changing my moniker soon as well.

We would also like to thank our webmasters who hung tough a few weeks ago and who helped us make the required changes. We hope you understand now why we hurried so quickly.

We process with CCBill, and they are a great billing company for keeping chargebacks low. We also run an additional customer support of our own to ensure quality customer service 24/7.

For these reasons, we will still be a free site and we will still pay $20 per signup and have high conversions.

If you have any questions you can contact me at [email protected] or
[email protected]

[FabianC]

Read the official annoucement from CECash!!

The bottom line is, CECash will NOT lower payouts on ANY programs. This includes all of its paysites, email programs, etc.

So, webmasters looking to make the most money with their traffic, hit me up - [email protected] -or- ICQ @ 99523787

[LA Mike]

Most of the programs that arent loweing payout were already in the 20-30 per join range. And those that remain at $40 will now get the webmaster fraud that migrates to the higher paying programs that we have been dealing with.

[web4x]

Carrie thanks for the list.



Not lowering payouts:
CE Cash
Orgasm Cash
Python/Dollar Machine
Pimproll
Legendary Lars
Gigacash

[IntenseCash]

we will not be lowering payouts as well!

We are still paying $40 per signup, or the 60/40 rev share

Now 41 sites to promote!

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by LAMike
Most of the programs that arent loweing payout were already in the 20-30 per join range. And those that remain at $40 will now get the webmaster fraud that migrates to the higher paying programs that we have been dealing with.

While I agree that they will pick up some of the fraud, they may also pick up a huge amount of traffic from some of the big traffic guys who will jump anywhere the money is. It's going to be a calculated risk for every sponsor in the beginning.

[dchottie]

Sextronix is not lowering payouts. We may be doing a little changing around on our billing processors but we haven't decided that yet. This is nothing that will affect our affiliates though. We are still full steam ahead with 31 sites and adding around 25 more soon. We are still at $35 per signup or 60% recurring and you can switch between these payouts as you see fit. Just change the payout code in your url.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by IntenseCash
we will not be lowering payouts as well!

We are still paying $40 per signup, or the 60/40 rev share

Now 41 sites to promote!

stop bullshitting , you pay $40 per active member
which is more like $15/per actual sign up

[TheProfessor]

Our conversions have improved by 30% in
past 6 months... so higher payouts!

[baddog]

Originally posted by web4x
Dear GigaCash Webmasters,
. . .

Payouts will remain the same as we complete our assessment
of these new policies next week and will keep you informed of
any and all changes via email and our website.



Sincerely,

- HELMY

that only says they won't lower them while they check things out. They could check things out and change their mind.

But Flynt-Digital raised their payouts, and Sex Pictures Pass remained the same.

[Ambergirl]

Originally posted by Carrie
Btw, my list so far:

Lowering payouts or "making changes soon":
Silvercash
ARS
Megapornbucks
Capital Bucks
Pornkings
Traffic Cash Gold
Topbucks
Adult Platinum/aka Lensman (not sure which program he means, APlat or AmPages or Playboy so just say Lens' programs)

Not lowering payouts:
CE Cash
Orgasm Cash
Python/Dollar Machine
Pimproll
Legendary Lars
Gigacash

Still deciding/running numbers:
SIC Cash

Thanks for organizing this list, Carrie.

We need to add a new category:

Increasing payouts:
Flynt Digital

Please click here for the specifics.

[kmanrox]

the shaveometers are going to need coolant now ;-)

for the record gigacash is one of the most reputable programs on the net..... great ppl...

plus i fucked alec... great ass!

[the real magoo]

Sweetmoney will NOT be lowering payouts or percentages.

[thetrog]

This is nothing but a sponsor PR war.

We all know that with all of the shaving, etc. that goes on, these promised numbers are really meaningless.

It's funny that people are actually taking these claims seriously.

[chowda]

u know.. its not a matter of lower payouts.. if they go over the %, u dont get paid. lol hows that

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by thetrog
This is nothing but a sponsor PR war.

We all know that with all of the shaving, etc. that goes on, these promised numbers are really meaningless.

It's funny that people are actually taking these claims seriously.

You can say that about the entire adult industry for the last so many years. It's always been a PR war.

The very important point is that affiliates are going to make more money as long as big sponsors are trying to compete with each other. The day that all the major sponsors agree is the day that affiliates are done.

Anyone who doesn't see this very obvious point is missing out.

[Braincash Fred]

Gamma Entertainment will keep the same payment

[fantasyman]

Originally posted by LAMike
Most of the programs that arent loweing payout were already in the 20-30 per join range. And those that remain at $40 will now get the webmaster fraud that migrates to the higher paying programs that we have been dealing with.

Mike I agree with you 100%, programs will get the Webmaster fraud that goes along with 'Paid Trials', CECash on the other hand has fraud control tools in place to guard against this and will welcome any new business.

[thetrog]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


The very important point is that affiliates are going to make more money as long as big sponsors are trying to compete with each other.

I agree that sponsors may compete with each other more.

But I'm not convinced that affiliates will make more money as a result.

Overall, there's going to be less money in the pot with the Visa/MC crackdowns.

And that's going to show in the real conversion stats, regardless of what anybody is promising.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by thetrog


I agree that sponsors may compete with each other more.

But I'm not convinced that affiliates will make more money as a result.

Overall, there's going to be less money in the pot with the Visa/MC crackdowns.

And that's going to show in the real conversion stats, regardless of what anybody is promising.

I'll agree with this and guess that in the short term the across the board loss is going to be 25-30% of business -- with some people being hit way harder than others.

Long term, those that aren't ready won't be here and the survivors should see an income increase due to this fact.

[JayJay]

NightBucks will not be Lowering payouts

[Ambergirl]

Pardon the long post...but I want to address each issue.

Kmanrox - what up sweet-cheeks?! Rett and I miss you (me for your humor...Rett for your hot ass!) Regarding your comment about everyone's "shaveometers are going to need coolant now" - I agree that many companies will take the unethical path to make some cash unfairly. As you know, Ken and his operations have never shaved, manipulated numbers or played the bullshit shaving game! Flynt Digital is one of the few programs available were your stats have always run, and will continue to run, true-to-form to the actual traffic you send and sign-ups you receive, period.

We count first page unique hits, unlike some that count second and third page hits to make your ratios look better...but the paychecks don't lie and those that promote Flynt Digital will be happy that a program pays them for the work they've done, appreciates their business, and doesn't fuck them over.

Originally posted by thetrog
This is nothing but a sponsor PR war.

We all know that with all of the shaving, etc. that goes on, these promised numbers are really meaningless.

It's funny that people are actually taking these claims seriously.

I feel you on this...and honestly, fuck the PR fluff! With the way some of the big boys have chosen to run their businesses, I understand that it's difficult to trust that anyone is actually on the up-n-up - but those that put their faith in Ken's programs, will be glad that they did.

Personally, I'm an adult webmaster first, and have been since 1995, and the reason I also work for Ken is because he is one of the most honest people I know.

The fact that it's the Hustler brand name that I get to promote is simply a bonus and makes my job that much easier.

But for me, it's not about blowing smoke up anyone's ass...it's about sharing my knowledge, keeping it real (yeah, I know, an unusual concept ;>) and standing strong behind a company and program that I believe in...oh yeah, and the additional paycheck from Larry Flynt doesn't hurt either.

Originally posted by chowda
u know.. its not a matter of lower payouts.. if they go over the %, u dont get paid. lol hows that

With some programs, that is a very scary possibility and we all have to be careful to put our eggs into the right baskets. If you are simply uncomfortable promoting any PPS proggy, then be doubly secure and push FD's revenue share payout option (50% for the no pop-up versions of the sites, 60% on all of our regular sites, and/or 70% on HustlerPlatinum).

thetrog wrote, "Overall, there's going to be less money in the pot with the Visa/MC crackdowns. "

Agreed!...that's why I'm out here screaming about the FD program - Larry Flynt's pockets run deep and there's no doubt that we'll be steadfast through the storm and continue doing good business for the long haul.

Really, the best way I can say it is this...anyone that doesn't want to work with one of the most legitimate companies to date on the net, and if you don't want to make honest and good money, then don't promote Flynt Digital.

Thanks for your time guys and for reading my unusually long post.

[BluMedia]

IntenseCash will not be dropping any payouts. We still will be paying $40 per signup or 60% recurring.

Mark