Late...early...er, Yes! It's 6AM here and it's about that time for me to go crash hard. :)

Please don't forget to tell everyone at the Sex.com party that I send my love!

great news :thumbsup

will do. and your announcement could not have come at a better time . . . . in fact, you may have inspired me. Need to crunch some numbers.

Have fun at the wine festival.

Amber / Ken / Hustler - congrats on raising your payout. :)

The only real burning qustion it leaves in my mind is - Does this mean you will continue to offer 2 pre checked free cross sells on your join pages?

Congradulations to FD! Flynt is a dipshit in my book, but he is smart when it comes to business. Smartest thing he has done was hire Ken and his crew to run his web operations!

R-n, kinda funny piggybacking on this thread trying to associate your program with Flynt's! I am sure most people understand your way of doing business compaired to Ken's way of doing business.

:moon

Mike it's funny that you say that and I'll tell you why.....

First of all CECash processes with Jettis, you know the same processor Flynt uses.

Secondly, CECash sends tons of traffic to Hustler - they have a permanent spot in Cecash's newsletters as does, Club Magazine and Lensman's Playboy program.

CECash's sites are on Hustler's exit console and they are on CECash's exit console.

I spoke to Ken yesterday and told him to get Amber to post on GFY when he told me they were not going to lower their payouts, but rather raise them.

Ken is a long time friend of mine and we talk quite often. Ken will be involved with some of our new projects in the very near future.

Also, I have had meetings with Larry Flynt and Jim Kohl for a long time. We got Larry Flynt/Hustler their 800 number - 1-800-HUSTLER for audiotext over 12 years ago and still get paid a consulting fee for it.

Jim Kohl, the president of Hustler/LFP is a very good friend of mine as well. We've known each other for about 12 years. I had breakfast with Jim last Tuesday. We do a lot of business together.

Hustler also distributes our HD adult DVD movies under our new label Surfer Pictures http://surferpictures.com . We just produced another 3 adult movies in Hawaii, 6 movies total so far, and they are selling like hotcakes because we're the only folks producing HD XXX movies so far. Yes Mike, another CE first, High Definition Adult Flix!!

In my book Flynt is one of the reasons the AdultNet can exist today as he has spent millions defending our rights and had a landmark Supreme Court ruling. I was invited by Ken to LarryFlynt's roasting Sunday night but had to decline because I'm in Vegas with my family. Our producer and director of Surfer Pictures will be attending the Husler Video Department party Monday night at LFP's offices, this is by invite only!!

I've also consulted with Ken when he first opened the Hustler Free Trial program and gave him some advice he used.

You are the person calling one of our founding fathers of the Adult Industry a dipshit, but I wouldn't expect anything different from you. I think Larry Flynt is a genius, not to mention one of the largest Icons in our industry.

So, do you think we have any association with Flynt's business, I do.

Just a little further evidence how you post without knowledge and what a R-n hater you are! Why don't you get over yourself!

R-n, my post was a comment on how you are piggybacking peoples posts. You do it all the time.

I have a pretty good idea on how Ken does business, but I will look around closer.... because if he is doing bisiness the way you used to, I will be dissappointed.

Oh and my personal opinion on Larry is based on politics, self agrandizing, etc... not on business. Business wise he is Boss of the Bosses.

I know your brothers, sisters, neighbor went to school with Flynt's right hand man, and thus you guys are old buddies.

Nice :thumbsup

Good work Ambergirl :Graucho

Mike, you've been piggybacking every post regarding these current events and currently have yet to start your own on GFY. I guess that's because you don't have anything to promote to Webmasters because you keep everything so near and dear. I would say that's the pot calling the kettle black.

My relationship with Hustler is detailed above and has nothing to do about going to school with anyone and it speaks for itself - just more of your negative poison, but I wouldn't expect anything different from you.

Marc, appreciate the positive feedback. I'm not sure what the plans are regarding cross sales, but I'll be happy to share the details when I receive them.

MikeAI, thank you for the congratulations! :)
IMO - the smartest and most admirable thing Larry Flynt has done, and still does, is to fight for our rights to run porn companies. Certainly, none of us would be where we are without his commitment to free speech, individual rights and civil liberties. Of course, the second smartest thing he's done is to hire Ken and his crew to run his web operations. :winkwink:

Regarding who we work with...the adult net has become more political than ever these days; but everyone can be sure of FlyntDigital, CashQuest, Vivid, WebQuest and Jettis crew's integrity and stellar dedication to working fairly with everyone!

:2 cents:

baddog...if I've inspired you, than I know I've done something good today. :)

How was the Sex.com party?

I decided to not attend the Chateau Morrisette wine festival today - there's another one next month that I can go to; and I'll be sure to not stay up all night on GFY the night beforehand either. :winkwink:

R-n you have been posting the same thing since 1996. You know I always speak my mind, it has nothing to do with promotion, just calling a spade a spade.

Oh and I do not remember piggybacking on any the threads you started. When you have an annoucement, or some good news to release, I do not jump in and dog you, or piggyback. Something I have noticed you have been doing much more often to other peoples threads.

Its easy to have a low chargeback ratio when nobody uses your program becuase you only have a few sites and they dont convert for shit. All this bullshit about a few programs raising payouts considering all that has gone on is some bottom feeding bullshit and I think people will see past it. Most of it is all smoke and mirrors anyways because the programs raising payouts are going from 20-25 bucks a join when everyone esle is dropping from $40 so they will actually be close to the same now.

Those that do go up to $40 I will gladely pass you the webmaster fraud that points itself directly to the higher paying programs and then you will see what chargeback is. Its easy not to have a chargeback problem when you only do 50 signups a day

Flynt Digital, 50 sign-ups a day??? LMAO!!! - the only person you're kidding is yourself. If you can't handle your webmaster fraud, don't blame us for having things in order.

Why all the animosity, LAMike? There really is no reason to be bitter against a program that is doing well, runs a tight ship and hasn't been fucked over by the Visa/MC crackdowns - it's certainly not a secret that we've always been successful due to honest business.

The reality is that it's easy a have low charge-back ratios when you have been doing things the right way from the start.

As I posted in another thread...anyone that doesn't want to work with one of the most legitimate companies to date on the net, and if you don't want to make honest and good money, then don't promote Flynt Digital.

I do agree with Mike on the fraud aspect, get ready for the rush. I know we will be cutting some webmaster soon, ala top bucks and nasty dollars, expect others to follow.

The post wasnt directed specifically at you.. It was meant for a few companies. And yes I have sent to your sites and they didnt convert well at all for me but I'm sure others do great. The 50 signups a day was a bit of sarcasm and again not meant for you.. sorry.. lol :)
When you get into the 1000s you'll see what I mean

I'm not saying you don't have an honest business. I'm saying that you will see some more fraud coming your way by raising payouts and then you will learn what the bigger affiliate companies have to deal with.

I do however think its funny that a few companies raise payouts at a time when others are lowering. I have learned who our allies and friends are. I know people are doing it to try and get more traffic their way but I think its a bit tacky.

It really comes down to this... send program A 5000 hits and see how much money you make and send program B the same.. It comes down to the paycheck and I feel even with our lowering of payouts that we will continue to convert the way we do now if not better and our traffic will not drop much at all.

Good luck to all

Obvious that some people are trying to gain market share, why others are looking for the long term stability of the business as a whole. Even more will jump from processor to processor and play the #'s game hoping to snag traffic from those lowering payouts.

A few companies may be able to do this tricky balancing act, but IMHO the majority of people try to be heros will fall on their face and are harming the overall business long term.

1% is a tough #. We run a tight ship, we do not do 1000's of joins a day, and it is still very very tough.

Remember, Visa went from 5-2.5-1, whats next .5?

Brad... exactly!!!

Brad, thank you for sharing your concern. Our fraud department is waiting in the wings to swoop in and block those bastards the moment they start playing their games...but it really will be business as usual for us because our fraud department does a solid job in staying on top of things.

Amber, my concern was not for you guys, I know Ken runs a tight ship. I was making a general statement. When we cancel and email affilates this week for having high cb's, I can send them your way if you wish;-)

LAMike, thank you for clarifying.

Between all of the WQ programs, we've been dealing with webmaster fraud on a daily basis dating back to 1996. There is always room for improvement in every area of all of our online businesses...and of course, once you think there isn't, you may as well close up shop.

I disagree that it's "tacky" to raise payouts though. Especially when you have the honest numbers and financial stability to back it up.

I agree that it all comes down to the paycheck. If you have tried promoting us in the past and weren't successful...let's get together and work something out that'll be mutually beneficial. My ICQ is 3742113, phone 800-483-3161.

As you know, Hustler's legal eagles are a huge powerhouse and I wouldn?t be surprised if our low charge-back ratios are due in part to having Larry Flynt's attorneys behind us. Of course, we've got the best legal representation in the industry and I wonder if that has kept some of the scammers from knocking on our doors.

We will have no problem turning the tables and putting the heat directly into fraudulent webmasters laps (oh! that actually sounds kinda fun...but I won?t go there right now ;>).

Thanks again LAMike and my apologies that I misinterpreted your original post.

Right on, Brad.

LOL - NO! Please don't even whisper FD to your bad affiliates! But it would be great if you would email your good ones about us. :Graucho

We too are always addressing specific webmasters with high charge-back ratios and won't allow anyone to stay in the program that's a bad apple. But again, that is business as usual on this end.

Amber.. no worries.

Just when people have had years to raise payouts and wait til this weekend to do it just seems low to me. I can understand if you dont want to lower but raise at the same time?

Anyways.. I'm outa here.... see you all monday :)

You all sound worried thought you all look happy..

There is money for everybody!

diesel you are experienced, these shouldn't surprise you anymore :-)

LAMike, I really don't appreciate talking down to us raising payouts. We've consistently increased payouts when the numbers afforded it throughout the two years that the Flynt Digital program has been live.

To clear up the confusion, here are the exact payout increases and additions to the FD program along the way:

May 1st, 2001 - released the Flynt Digital program paying $30.00 per sign-up

September 2001 - increased to $33.00 per sign up for affiliates that sent more than 100 sign ups in any one month (on all sites combined of course)

April 2002 ? added VIP free membership option that pays $20.00 per free sign-up.

December 2002 - increased payouts as follows:
- 1 through 25 members pays out $30.00 per sign up
- 26 through 49 members pays out $33.00 per sign up
- 50 or more members pays out $35.00 per sign up

February 2003 ? added 60% plus recurring revenue share option

March 2003 - added Hustler Platinum and raised the payout on this site to $40.00 per sign-up

March 2003 ? increased Hustler Platinum revenue share from 60% to 70%

July (16th) 2003 ? increasing payout on all paid trial sites to $40.00 per sign-up

We've also run several high payout bonus days, specials, etc. but I won't bother listing all of those dates. Certainly you don't question that we know what we're doing and can afford to pay an honest $40 per sign-up.

I'm not sure why you are so against us increasing payouts, LAMike...but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Enjoy your weekend!

Yes you did, and here is the inspiration

It is not even 3:30 here yet. Party does not start for another 3 1/2 hours. A 2 hour drive for me (each way) so I will have to start thinking about getting ready in another couple of hours.

Sorry about the wine festival, you youngsters need to learn to pace yourselves so you can do it all :winkwink:

Go Flynt Digital, you can expect traffic from me. You too CE. :)

I think FD is large enough to experience a certain level of fraud....lol...just ask our fraud dept. ;)

I have to agree with Amber, Mike, why the bitterness? I could say that I find it funny that a few programs are lowering their payouts at a time when we are raising them! Hmmmm.....

Your friends and allies are those who are also lowering payouts? That certainly doesn't leave you much wiggle room for future business. :(

I'm sorry you feel negatively towards others raising their payouts, however in our case (FD) it's far from the 'bottom feeding' scenario you have created here.

I sincerely wish you the best with your business Mike. :)

Hey mike, how come no word of you lowering payouts on the silvercash homepage? It still says:

Per Signup
Receive up to $40 any time a surfer signs up for one of our sites at no risk to you. They may sign up for a trial membership and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs!

Trying to squeeze in every last webmaster you can before the bomb drops, eh? That's a good way to make friends.

`cool :thumbsup

docjohnson, our homepage reflects our current payout, once the payouts do lower our homepage will reflect that change. There's no tricks or scams going on, you think we should advertise innacurate payouts just because they're expected to change? That makes no sense to me.

If you look at our webmasters board you'll see plenty of threads discussing the upcoming changes.

I didn't say it was a scam, I said sarcasticaly it was a good way to make friends. Please don't give me the bull about you advertising inaccurrate payouts. By the time any webmaster signs up and starts to send traffic it will have been switched to $25 without their knowledge. BTW I see one tiny thread on your message board. I see no other notice, I didn't even receive a newsletter. I had to learn about this on GFY. No wonder you have to lower your payouts with practices like this.

So a better way to make friends would be to advertise $25 payouts when we currently pay $35? The advertised payouts reflect current payouts.

This is highly unlikely. If a webmaster joins today he's going to login with his new account, check the board to see what's up and learn of our upcoming payout changes. If he doesn't read the board he'll surely recieve our upcoming newsletter about it. Nobody's going to sign up and start to blindly send traffic without looking into it.

Email notices are going out within the next day or two, the payout changes were NOT effective immediately, nobody said they were. Once we decide on a date the changes will go into effect we will email all webmasters. What you learned about here on GFY is our intentions, not our official webmaster notice.

Amber - are you paying upt to $40 on all those sites or any sign up volume is $40 (are there any other stipulations)

Also I have to agree with Mike on this. Its true we are all competitors, but when a group attempts to undo some 'dumb' shit by lowering mothly rebill prices, killing free excessive cross sells and lower payouts and some sponsors come and say they are increasing payouts is doing anything but sending 'good vibes' to those programs. Those vibes get even worse if to keep these extremely high payouts they have to continue to charge over $30 per month and have 2 pre checked free cross sells.

That said, its just my opinion and you know business is business and is not a social function where we try to make friends :)

Yes, we are paying exactly $40.00 per paid trial sign-up on all of our regular membership sites - there will not be a graduated pay scale as there has been in the past. I haven't received the details yet about whether we'll be increasing payouts on the No Pop-up versions of the sites and/or on the free membership sites too. But you'll receive the specifics on Monday when we send out the payout increase details to all of our affiliates.

Marc, as you and I have discussed once before, IMO, business is business and also friendship...in that you treat everyone fairly in all of your business dealings, just like you would treat a friend.

No one is going to apologize that Flynt Digital is in a position to be able to offer $40.00 per sign-up. It's unfortunate for both webmasters and program owners alike that some companies have to lower their payouts; but Flynt Digital is certainly not to blame for that.

The "good vibes" will be revealed in our webmaster's payout checks.

I'm off to play with my children...I'll follow up on this thread tomorrow.

Have a good night ya'll.

Its everysignup, i've been using hustler platinum since it was annouced.. Converts great with my traffic, and with hustler i know im getting my wires every two weeks for sure ;) Great program Amber!

Flynt Digital doesn't have to apologize for anything... ARS is in the position to pay $40 per sign up too if we charge over $30 for a monthly rebill and offer 2 pre checked FREE cross sells on our join forms too - however, we're trying to take some corrective action :)

As far as good vibes, I wasn't speaking in terms of the vibes webmasters get. I'm still confident at our lower payouts we'll still out perform almost every program out there, paying $30, 35, 40, 45 whatever and of course the best support in the biz. Weekly payouts (direct deposit, wire, epassporte, pay pal, overnights), rewards points (still the highest valued rewards points in the game and giving 15 per sale), FREE health insurance, over 500 tours and many other things will also continue to give us a competitive advantage and give off 'good vibes'.

I'm off to watch a movie with the fam too...

Here is to friends in biz even when business is cut throat :)

that's surely true :thumbsup